Arizona governor signs immigration bill

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Steinhauer said:
I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.
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So we can ignore the problems such as wage slavery, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, endangered pet trade, and arms trade?

Seems like a form of scrapegoating to me... punish the visible offenders, and leave elite exploiters alone.

Maybe for once... we should go after the drug lords instead of the drug dealers, the big corporates looking for cheap labour instead of the illegal labourers, the breeders instead of the traffickers, the arms hoarders instead of the middlemen, the agents instead of the prostitutes.
 
Arizona fallout: Can Senate take up immigration reform from scratch? - Yahoo! News

Immigration reform: Harder than last time?In a signal of how difficult passage of an immigration reform bill might be, the primary Republican supporter of the 2007 bid for federal immigration reform – Sen. John McCain of Arizona – backed the Arizona law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer last week. He is currently locked in a tight primary race, and 70 percent of Arizona voters approve of the law, according to Rasmussen reports.
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70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.
 
Steinhauer said:
I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.
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that's what we have been doing. What did you think what the government did with illegals when they catch them?
 
Steinhauer said:
well, I don't want to live in a world where you give gun ownership rights back to convicted rapists and murderers .... but if you want to, why not move to a country that does?
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what country does that?
 
Steinhauer said:
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70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.
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Your two cousins back up this law which automatically sucks out all the covert racism from this law.

:roll:

Let's see if they're singing a different tune when they get pulled over every 5 minutes to get their papers checked. (Unless they're lucky and don't live in AZ.)
 
Steinhauer said:
The political "machine" has been calling the illegal aliens pre-citizens so I'd say that is an indication as to what will happen. Instead of punishment for violating United States immigration laws, they will be rewarded for their lawlessness. Basically, those following immigration laws and making the attempt to assimilate into United States culture will be slapped in the face. Their efforts to abide by United States law will be laughed at by all the illegal aliens who are given the "fast track" to United States citizenship.
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still haven't answered my question yet. you kept talking about illegals having more rights than criminals.

what rights are you talking about?
 
CJB said:
Your two cousins back up this law which automatically sucks out all the covert racism from this law.

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I have a feeling that his cousins are "part Mexican". Just assuming.
 
Steinhauer said:
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70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.
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It is just polls so nothing is accurate.

AZ immigrant bill impacts on legal immigrants and citizen born too, if they don't bring or forget to bring the documentation so they could arrest by police.

AZ immigrant bill is unconstitutional because it isn't okay for police to pull the car over or knock the door to demand for immigrant status as primary case.

The court will going kill this bill like they did to immigrant bill in Oklahoma in 2 years ago. Let ICE agents handle with illegal immigrants, not police.
 
I have feel that illegal immigrants would escape from AZ to other states like CA, NM, TX, etc so AZ immigrant bill fail.

It is better to let federal to get deal with illegal immigrants and I wasn't impressed about what congress's job with immigrant reform, even GOP won't back it.

Increase more ICE agents, secure the border on US-Mexico and assistance with employers to not hire illegal immigrants are best solution to do.
 
Steinhauer said:
I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.
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The point is that if you are part Miami then you sir are the descendant of ILLEGAL immigrants, just as I and most other Americans are. Not all immigrants came through Ellis Island. Though through the tricks of genealogy I can show all my ancestors were "legal" the truth is they were not.

In fact in order to support the growth of the railroad the government supported a huge influx of undocumented aliens.

If the government had followed your line of reasoning neither you nor I would be on this forum.

I fail to believe the problem is the big bad wolf you describe.

Nor do I believe that instituting your reforms will solve any of our economic or social woes.
 
Foxrac said:
I have feel that illegal immigrants would escape from AZ to other states like CA, NM, TX, etc so AZ immigrant bill fail.

It is better to let federal to get deal with illegal immigrants and I wasn't impressed about what congress's job with immigrant reform, even GOP won't back it.

Increase more ICE agents, secure the border on US-Mexico and assistance with employers to not hire illegal immigrants are best solution to do.
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exactly what the federal government has been trying to pass for years including GWB.
 
Berry said:
The point is that if you are part Miami then you sir are the descendant of ILLEGAL immigrants, just as I and most other Americans are. Not all immigrants came through Ellis Island. Though through the tricks of genealogy I can show all my ancestors were "legal" the truth is they were not.

In fact in order to support the growth of the railroad the government supported a huge influx of undocumented aliens.

If the government had followed your line of reasoning neither you nor I would be on this forum.

I fail to believe the problem is the big bad wolf you describe.

Nor do I believe that instituting your reforms will solve any of our economic or social woes.
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Nice try .... but I NEVER said I was against legal immigration.

There is a right way for a foreigner to become a citizen, and a wrong way.

Let me ask you this question - How would you like it if people were to enter into your house without permission, eat your food, sleep in your kids room, use your water and electricity, and DEMAND to be treated like they are members of your household and insist that you also spend your $$$ for their children's education and also provide for their health needs when they are sick?

Would you be ok with that?


It has been proven time and again, when illegals are forced to leave, there is more work for the bona fide citizens. It helped during the Great Depression.
 
Steinhauer said:
Let me ask you this question - How would you like it if people were to enter into your house without permission, eat your food, sleep in your kids room, use your water and electricity, and DEMAND to be treated like they are members of your household and insist that you also spend your $$$ for their children's education and also provide for their health needs when they are sick?
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huh? did that happen on most cases?
 
The biggest racists are those who say that a particular segment of society (illegal immigrants) are supposed to get preferential treatment. All Illegal immigrants whether from Mexico or Europe or the Middle East or the Far East are all law-breaking criminals and do not deserve to be rewarded for their criminal behavior.

Go back to where you came from and emigrate here legally.

Legal immigrants are welcome, illegal ones are not.

Is that simple enough ?

So, is it a crime or a civil right to enter the US illegally?
 
Steinhauer said:
The biggest racists are those who say that a particular segment of society (illegal immigrants) are supposed to get preferential treatment. All Illegal immigrants whether from Mexico or Europe or the Middle East or the Far East are all law-breaking criminals and do not deserve to be rewarded for their criminal behavior.

Go back to where you came from and emigrate here legally.

Legal immigrants are welcome, illegal ones are not.

Is that simple enough ?
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rewarded? like what?
 
Steinhauer said:
The biggest racists are those who say that a particular segment of society (illegal immigrants) are supposed to get preferential treatment. All Illegal immigrants whether from Mexico or Europe or the Middle East or the Far East are all law-breaking criminals and do not deserve to be rewarded for their criminal behavior.

Go back to where you came from and emigrate here legally.

Legal immigrants are welcome, illegal ones are not.

Is that simple enough ?

So, is it a crime or a civil right to enter the US illegally?
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Point completely missed. The racist part here isn't the fact that the illegal immigrants are illegal, but rather, the fact that police officers can now suspect people of being illegal immigrants, and despite what supporters say, it doesn't take a neurosurgeon to realize most officers will have little to go by other than race. As in racial profiling. As in that's racist.
 
I didn't realize illegal was a race, I thought it was a crime :roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
I didn't realize illegal was a race, I thought it was a crime :roll:
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Again, I'm not talking about the illegal immigrants here. I'm talking about the process used to identify potential illegal immigrants.
 
Steinhauer said:
I didn't realize illegal was a race, I thought it was a crime :roll:
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who do you think the officers are more likely to "ask" the immigrants to show their documents? Europeans? Mexicans? Chinese? Arabs?

do you think it's right for officers to ask the American-born person of different race to show the document?
 
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