Arizona Governor Signs Additional Controversial Bill

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LOL.....It doesn't quite work that way.
yes it does. simple as that. just as simple as Arizona passing the law that makes federal law as a state law. yep. simple as that.

But if you support the Federal government turning it's back on Americans over petty politics that's your choice.
turning its back? I don't see it as "turning its back" on us. I see it as failure on our parts - federal and state..... and citizens.
 
yes it does. simple as that. just as simple as Arizona passing the law that makes federal law as a state law. yep. simple as that. .

Not legally. Not smart politically either. Hope they do it :)


turning its back? I don't see it as "turning its back" on us. I see it as failure on our parts - federal and state..... and citizens.

What you are suggesting would be The Feds turning their back on Americans.....AZ passing this bill is a proactive measure on the States part because the Feds are failing to do their job. It's a last resort.

You don't like it......Oh well :shrug:
 
Can't please them all. But it is reckless and irresponsible for the federal govt to ignore their role in making sure the borders are secure and help protect border states.
 
Can't please them all. But it is reckless and irresponsible for the federal govt to ignore their role in making sure the borders are secure and help protect border states.

0 terrorist attack on American soil so far since 9/11........
 
Ft. Hood was the first terror attack on American soil since 9/11. It was a terrorism attack killing 14 human beings and injuring many others.

The Christmas Day crotch bomber was a terror attack where a bomb successfully made its way inside a passenger plane where it actually went off. Only thing was that is didn't go off correctly and instead created a lot of smoke and some fire.

The Times Square bombing was an attempted terror attack. Had the wires been properly constructed it would've been devastating according to actual experts and not from wannabes.

There's an ongoing theme with all these attacks, the attackers were Muslims seeking revenge against America. All took place within a year already. All had ties to some noted terrorists outside of the United States. People need to call them for what they are and that they are terrorists instead of becoming weak and limp-wrested about the whole thing. Stop being weak, Obama, and call them for what they are.
 
Ft. Hood was the first terror attack on American soil since 9/11. It was a terrorism attack killing 14 human beings and injuring many others.

The Christmas Day crotch bomber was a terror attack where a bomb successfully made its way inside a passenger plane where it actually went off. Only thing was that is didn't go off correctly and instead created a lot of smoke and some fire.

The Times Square bombing was an attempted terror attack. Had the wires been properly constructed it would've been devastating according to actual experts and not from wannabes.

There's an ongoing theme with all these attacks, the attackers were Muslims seeking revenge against America. All took place within a year already. All had ties to some noted terrorists outside of the United States. People need to call them for what they are and that they are terrorists instead of becoming weak and limp-wrested about the whole thing. Stop being weak, Obama, and call them for what they are.

and so far........ 0 terrorist attack on American soil.......
 
They're terrorists. They've attacked. Some were successful in getting from point A to B but to C. Stop coddling and defending terrorists for a change.
 
They're terrorists. They've attacked. Some were successful in getting from point A to B but to C. Stop coddling and defending terrorists for a change.

again... 0 terrorist attack so far.... none succeeded in their plots. I'm not interested in coulda woulda hava.
 
again... 0 terrorist attack so far.... none succeeded in their plots. I'm not interested in coulda woulda hava.
You don't consider the Ft. Hood killings a "successful" terror attack?

What is your definition of a successful terror attack?
 
This from askjeeves.com.

Subject: Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070

I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070
which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.

Rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month
ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border
violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who
testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border
have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the
daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher
testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch
vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting
down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found
17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.

Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his
ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in
front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind
them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These
people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This
was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug
trains.

One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in
the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced
them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun
fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the
ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left
when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away
with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not
allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run
around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take
them back across the border.

Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are
filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement
that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal.

The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried
about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people
coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better
life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help
the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we
have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education cost
have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of
dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many
serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to
care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.

The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability
to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in
an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our
population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation
of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to
protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live
under.

I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare
not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive
them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to
the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but
a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of
government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be
just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South
American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must
be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history it is no
longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going
to set up a Nazi Germany . Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist
courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but
it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses,
and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to
local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop
to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if
you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times.
That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal
citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American
Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting
license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is
going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialist who
are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and
that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come. They
want the "Transformation" to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of
freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can
to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a
right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is
a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the
Constitution the law of our land which says what you must do to be a
citizen of this country. Freedom is not free.
 
You don't consider the Ft. Hood killings a "successful" terror attack?

What is your definition of a successful terror attack?

Three successful attempts in getting to the location of the planned terror attack. One was at Ft. Hood killing 14 human beings and injuring many others, one was getting bomb on board an airplane and while in the air it was detonated though a dud, and one was successfully getting a car bomb in Times Square but did not detonate correctly. Those were significant successful events on getting to the targeted location for a planned attack.
 
You don't consider the Ft. Hood killings a "successful" terror attack?

What is your definition of a successful terror attack?

has Fort Hood massacre been declared as terrorist attack?
 
I would give amnesty today to many,

*gasp* that would be aiding and harboring criminals!
 
Three successful attempts in getting to the location of the planned terror attack. One was at Ft. Hood killing 14 human beings and injuring many others, one was getting bomb on board an airplane and while in the air it was detonated though a dud, and one was successfully getting a car bomb in Times Square but did not detonate correctly. Those were significant successful events on getting to the targeted location for a planned attack.

and so far..... 0 terrorist attack since 9/11 with 0 causality on American soil...
 
0 terrorist attack on American soil so far since 9/11........

First of all, security for border States is not just about terrorism.

This whole terrorist attack or not argument has been hashed out enough in this forum. It is getting old. You say no.....others say yes. Let it go.

The only reason to say that in this thread is to incite others and derail the thread. That's lame dude.
 
Not going to turn a blind eye on this one and pretend none of it ever happened, especially in the day and age when our borders are so porous it'd make Swiss cheese look like pinholes.
 
First of all, security for border States is not just about terrorism.

This whole terrorist attack or not argument has been hashed out enough in this forum. It is getting old. You say no.....others say yes. Let it go.
I go by official statement. official count. So what's the official record?

The only reason to say that in this thread is to incite others and derail the thread. That's lame dude.
it takes 2 to tango.
 
I go by official statement. official count. So what's the official record? .


That is a great approach.....If you trust the officials.

However, the ideology of this admin. makes it unlikely that anything will ever be counted as a terrorist attack. :shrug:

I am personally on the fence as far as Fort Hood being terrorism. But....my point is we all know where we stand on it. No reason to rehash it or use it to incite others.
 
That is a great approach.....If you trust the officials.

However, the ideology of this admin. makes it unlikely that anything will ever be counted as a terrorist attack. :shrug:
not my problem :dunno: there are independent source as well.

I am personally on the fence as far as Fort Hood being terrorism. But....my point is we all know where we stand on it. No reason to rehash it or use it to incite others.
hey there - you listening to this?
 
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