Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Liebling:-)))]

Makes me curious why the exemption for stunning? This appears to be for religious purposes but for practical purposes, I would think that maybe shocking/stunning might cause the meat to be somewhat tougher......

stunning - something with electricial tool (I don't know which right name) to kill animal fast within seconds.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That might be the law but you didn't include that in your link.

If you read your link, then you know that they stun the animal first (making it unconscious), then they slaughter it (kill it), and then butcher it (cut it up). It doesn't say anything about killing the animals with "electricity tool". The animals are stunned with electricity but they are not killed by it. It doesn't mention the mode of killing but it's probably the same slaughter methods that everyone uses. The only difference is they get stunned before the killing process.

Yes, your post support my knowledge but it look like that you pick on my grammar or what?

Oh yes, animals are dead already as they butcher them after stunned them with electricial tool. (I don't know the type of electricial tool, they use to animal). They make sure they are really dead before butcher them because they should not have pain...


Anyway, Reba. Thank for provide 2 links. It support my friend's knowledge because he work for slaughter house. They make sure that animals won't suffer pain and fear too long before they are dead. Yes, I know that Germany is a first country who fixed the Animal Right/Welfare.

I am against Muslim and Jew's belief for let animal suffer pain and fear until they are dead... because animals SHOULD be dead within seconds with no pain and fear.

 

[Tousi]

stunning - something with electricial tool (I don't know which right name) to kill animal fast within seconds.

Leibling, I know what stunning is and it does NOT kill animals fast; it is a mild shock administered to them. I was just asking another question......you know the rest.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Leibling, I know what stunning is and it does NOT kill animals fast; it is a mild shock administered to them. I was just asking another question......you know the rest.

Okay, What about the surgeon did to patients on the operation table? Of course they did not kill patients but make sure they won't suffer pain before they "butcher" their bodies. I do not have pain feeling as they did on me because I was deep sleep like dead. It's an exact same with animals.

 

[Mistyrose]

Ok, so what's the point of you saying constantly "Germany this, Germany that?"

If you say """All what I said is ILLEGAL to abuse animals like this here in Germany "" you IMPLY "maybe it is allowed in USA, but Germany.."

I suggest you should stop for a minute, and think how you may come accross when you say things like that.


Fuzzy

Fuzzy, If i remember right, she is NOT a natural born German, she is
from England!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Fuzzy, If i remember right, she is NOT a natural born German, she is
from England!

Yes, that's right I am British and married a German and live in Germany for almost 22 years since 1985.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hi Aders

Could you please paste our :topic: posts here over my thread.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/42409-world-slaughter-house.html

 

[Mistyrose]

I am vegan. There is no problem getting protein from plant based sources. Soya is an excellant form of protein. You can also get protein from lentils, nuts, seeds, and also vegitables like brocoli.

The only thing you need vitamines for is for B12. I had to learn that the hard way as I wasn't so healthy when I first went vegan. Now I take B12 and I also got rid of my microwave and deep fat frier and replaced it with a steamer I am much healthier.

Oh, ok thats what i thought too since i googled on that and all..
I realized that you can get proteins in other ways like veggies
but you have to eat a lot of them since they contain only mere
grams of proteins but like you said you can get them from nuts,
seeds, etc. and soybeans are excellent too.
It is good and healthy way and besides too much meat is not
good for you, i told my hubby that, he got annoyed about it though,
ha. He is a meat and junk food lover..oh well.

 

[pek1]

My husband Jeremy and I am both pro-choice. Because we believe it's a woman's right to choose . . .

I shortened the start of the thread for brevity.

How do I stand on abortion? I am Pro-NOYFBHISOA (translation, caps on first words only): None Of Your F**king Business How I stand On Abortion.

Next question.

How do I stand on Gay Rights and Gay Marriage? Okay, I will answer. The Civil Rights of 1964 gives all of us, regardless of our skin pigment, civil rights. I have friends that are not gay, I have friends that are gay. Do I laugh at gays being put down? I heard a lot of this in a "Christian" college in Crown Point, Indiana that was associated with the First Baptist Church of Hammond. It makes me sad. What's next? Making fun of crippled people? Deaf or hoh people? People like this make my blood boil: WARNING PAGE View it at your own risk.

 

[Aleser]

So I believe it was written somewhere in their holy book. If they don't get their way I expect they would make a major musical about it, you what some muslims are like when they don't get their way. However stoning adulterers and cutting the hand off theives is also written in the koran. Fortunately we don't permit muslims to do either these things in britain so I don't really understand why they should make alowances for the way they kill animals either. If their religion forbids them to stun animals they could simply go veggie.

Hey, step off. Some countries -do- follow law based on the islamic interpretation. While muslims are not allowed to alter laws based on what the quran would outline them doing, they ARE allowed religious freedoms outside of that scope.

Killing animals without stunning them isn't "inhumane" any more than other slaughter methods. I'm a vegan personally, but I am fully in support of brothers and sisters who choose to follow a meat-eating halal diet.

No, I don't know what some muslims are like. You don't see me "making a musical" the countless times I've had people push and shove at me, call me names as innovative as "terrorist" and "go back to where you came from", and as a personal favorite, "sand ******". You don't read news articles about every time I've had someone pull off my hijab. Nobody has to know about the broken windows and spray paints and all sorts of enjoyable attacks local halal restaurants face, never mind someone throwing a whole dead PIG in the parking lot of my masjid.

 

[webexplorer]

Are Muslims allowed to sing or music at their Mosque (church?)? Why they use a soap box on the rug for praying? Is it for cleaning their sin?

I noticed that women aren't allowed at the Mosque. Do they alternative to use the water can in the bathroom sitting on a toilet and pour it to clean their vagina? I didn't want to laugh about it and respect them what they do for their religious.

Do you mean that in my country calling you names? That's ridiculous. I'm surprised about that.

 

[Aleser]

1: Muslims bicker between themselves on this issue. As a general agreement, while SOME muslims might believe all forms of music that doesn't include non-muslim topics is okay, inside the masjid only music that -doesn't- contain any instruments is okay. Some would go as far as to say not to use a singing voice inside a masjid, but that's not really as common.

2: Women ARE to be allowed in any masjid. However, the islamic rules about men and women not mingling are in full force there, so we (duh) have seperate areas to make wudu, and pray in seperate areas. That means sometimes that women pray behind all men, or behind a devider/curtain. Some have a room specifically for women, which is nice when they have young children with them and all.

Attending a mosque is ONLY an obligation for men, but women can and do frequent prayers. Many mosques are more or less multi-purpose islamic centers, so they also have classes specifically for sisters only.

Yes, I do mean that in the US. Close-minded people are everywhere, I'm afraid.

 

[Reba]

I thought we couldn't discuss our religions here?

 

[webexplorer]

I thought we couldn't discuss our religions here?

Our posts are melted on this forum. It's ok to read something a little bit different which isn't that bad. There are hundreds of issues all over the place on this site.

 

[Reba]

Our posts are melted on this forum. It's ok to read something a little bit different which isn't that bad. There are hundreds of issues all over the place on this site.

It's Alex's rule, not mine.

http://www.alldeaf.com/775782-post1.html

I would love to discuss religion here. But it's not allowed.

 

[Maria]

I thought we couldn't discuss our religions here?

You are right. We couldn't discuss our religions as Alex made a rule for everyone not to talk about it.

Or did he allow it as long as there's no finger-pointin' or insultin' or bashin' ? ....

 

[Reba]

You are right. We couldn't discuss our religions as Alex made a rule for everyone not to talk about it.

Or did he allow it as long as there's no finger-pointin' or insultin' or bashin' ? ....

Maybe the rule applies just to Christians.

 

[Maria]

Maybe the rule applies just to Christians.

Maybe ! I know it is harmless to talk about it, but....

There's one thread I read from one of MODS and I felt bad when I read it...sayin' things disrespectfully against the One we love the most.

 

[Foxrac]

Maybe the rule applies just to Christians.

No, it does applied in general, all of religions.

Alex and other mod can be overlooked in any thread.

 

[dreama]

Hey, step off. Some countries -do- follow law based on the islamic interpretation. While muslims are not allowed to alter laws based on what the quran would outline them doing, they ARE allowed religious freedoms outside of that scope.

Killing animals without stunning them isn't "inhumane" any more than other slaughter methods. I'm a vegan personally, but I am fully in support of brothers and sisters who choose to follow a meat-eating halal diet.

No, I don't know what some muslims are like. You don't see me "making a musical" the countless times I've had people push and shove at me, call me names as innovative as "terrorist" and "go back to where you came from", and as a personal favorite, "sand ******". You don't read news articles about every time I've had someone pull off my hijab. Nobody has to know about the broken windows and spray paints and all sorts of enjoyable attacks local halal restaurants face, never mind someone throwing a whole dead PIG in the parking lot of my masjid.

Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I will always think cutting an animals throat while fully concious is unethnical though and if they don't like it they don't have to eat meat period. I'm glad you are vegan though.

I'm aware that muslims do get discriminated against too. Although some (not all) muslims are very much into discriminating against others which is why neither of my guide dogs would work properly in an area near where I live where there are a lot of muslims living. I used to donate frequently to their charity shop 'Islamic relief' but then someone else was running the shop once and they were really funny about me using a guide dog even though I often donated to them in the past. I don't take Jilli to that area any more because she's been chucked out of shops so often that she won't willingly go into any shop wether run by muslims or not. It does make me feel very angry when I've just taken my sick rat to the vet. It's late at night and the taxi that the vet's called for me drove away because they didn't want a dog in their taxi. I was lucky the vets remained open past closing time so they could get me another taxi.

I am not against all muslims though. Just the ones that throw tantrums everywhere, and otherwise don't behave. I mean the extremist muslims. I'm ok with muslims that behave properly.