Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Huh? It has nothing do with the news but my POV and feeling that the people SHOULD focus to help poor people and children than worry about their own interest. Example: Fight to against gay rights (marriage etc.), abortion rights (want to turn it into illegal etc.) Leave gay rights, abortion rights, etc. etc. alone. All what I want to say is QUIT to protest against them but respect gays, pro-choicers, etc and focus on poor people who needs our support. Money should goes to poor people.
What does opposing gay marriage have to do with feeding poor people?


Why have I repeat this since I already answered your post in my other thread about German law over kill animals within seconds for foods. Accord my friend who work for slaughter house and know the rules. They brought animals to slaugher house but not kill them yet but feed and take care of them for a while or few weeks until animals are familiar and able to trust "new owner" then... kill them within seconds without pain, fear, suffering...
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You can't honestly think that it's OK to "...feed and take care of them for a while or few weeks until animals are familiar and able to trust "new owner" then... kill them..." Wow!

"Don't worry, this is just a group shower to disinfect you before you join your family in the camp...."


Perhap your US law is different as German law about kill the animal for the foods... :dunno:
You tell me which is better. Would you prefer your killer be "nice" to you for a week before stabbing you in the back, or would you prefer to just get it over with?


Hypocritical? Huh? Did I claim that I am a vegan? No, I didn´t. I already stated in several threads that I do eat 4 different meats. I did not raise the animal for the foods. Yes I am against killing animal for the fun and sport because the animals have the feeling and know that they run after them... which is scary for animals but kill the animal within few second is different. I love animals and treat animals as my baby, not see them as foods. I am sorry that you can´t see the difference.
So, as long as someone else does the killing and butchering (chop, chop, slice, slice, grind, grind) for you, it doesn't bother you.

It is frightening how you can compartmentalize and rationalize this. :cold:

Is this the humane German butchering process?

Thönes Natur-Verbund

Of course, Germany imports meat, too, so who knows how those animals were slaughtered.


Sorry, you interpret my post in the wrong way. Sure, the enemy attacked your country but you are fighting back? fighting back? Do you mean as a revenage?
No, as defense and protection from further attacks.


I consider it as a revenage, not defend when the government send their people to attack emeny´s country. I would consider it as a terrorist if Government sends their people to attack emeny´s country either. You has the right to defend yourself to against enemy if they tried to kill you but go their country?
How do you think countries protect themselves? How do you think countries prevent future attacks? When Germany bombed England during WWII, did the British just shoot down German planes when they were in British air space? No. England sent their airplanes over Germany and bombed their factories, airfields, and cities. That's what has to be done to stop an enemy. If you wait until the enemy marches across your borders, it's too late.
 
What does opposing gay marriage have to do with feeding poor people?

*sigh* If you still can´t get it then never mind.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You can't honestly think that it's OK to "...feed and take care of them for a while or few weeks until animals are familiar and able to trust "new owner" then... kill them..." Wow!

"Don't worry, this is just a group shower to disinfect you before you join your family in the camp...."

wow, it´s the best proof that you has no feeling for animal... wow... This is German law. I learn a lot from my friend who work for slaughter house. If you make animal frightening with slaughter then their meat is not good taste. Let animal relax with no frightening, fear, etc. then their meat is good taste. Take a while before you kill them fast without them know that you plan to kill them. I am for it. I don´t like to see animal fear and shake their bodies...

You tell me which is better. Would you prefer your killer be "nice" to you for a week before stabbing you in the back, or would you prefer to just get it over with?

If you can´t get the difference then I can´t help you.


So, as long as someone else does the killing and butchering (chop, chop, slice, slice, grind, grind) for you, it doesn't bother you.

It is frightening how you can compartmentalize and rationalize this. :cold:

:confused: see above... animal died within seconds without know what and how the human did to them. :roll:

Is this the humane German butchering process?

Thönes Natur-Verbund

Of course, Germany imports meat, too, so who knows how those animals were slaughtered.

:confused: this link, you provided is about meat quality without chemical.


No, as defense and protection from further attacks.

No, I see different because you can´t prove either it´s them who attack your country but continue to go their country to make a war until they found out that enemy is not responsible for attack your country... After enemy´s arrest, they continue to attack enemy´s country... What a waste :roll:

How do you think countries protect themselves? How do you think countries prevent future attacks? When Germany bombed England during WWII, did the British just shoot down German planes when they were in British air space? No. England sent their airplanes over Germany and bombed their factories, airfields, and cities. That's what has to be done to stop an enemy. If you wait until the enemy marches across your borders, it's too late.

No, you can´t compare WWII with enemy´s country because they are total different. They know it´s Germans who attack other countries and continue war with them... DURING war time, they defend themselves to against Germany.
 
That's weird. It used to be a video showing slaughterhouse operations in Germany. I don't know how it was changed. :confused:

eek! I saw a real movie of slaughtering cows at a factory. Poor damn cows!

When it sends thru the two long vertical blade machine to rip the skin off awhile it's alive. (That's standard.) No kidding. They had to put it back and start cutting again. The cow was still alive and crying for a 2nd time. For a 3rd time, the man cut its throat manually. Those people who work at the factory are poor and have very low education.

Sorry, Dixie - I hate to say it. I hope that you would change your mind and start interest in veggie or semi-vegetarian (like fish and egg - not other meats).

My interpreter was in a teenager. They gave her a free hot dog at the slaughter factory. She remembered the tour that made her throw up. She stopped eating the meats. She is a permanent vegetarian.
 
*sigh* If you still can´t get it then never mind.
Hmm, if we allow gays to marry, then the poor people won't starve?

Sorry, I still can't see the connection. :dunno:


wow, it´s the best proof that you has no feeling for animal... wow...
No, it's proof that you live in a dreamland where you can ignore ugly reality.


:confused: see above... animal died within seconds without know what and how the human did to them. :roll:
Did you watch that happen? How do you know what the animal thought and felt?

No, no, just put it out of your mind. It was quick and painless.

Mmmm, that was a delicious sausage. :drool:
 
That's weird. It used to be a video showing slaughterhouse operations in Germany. I don't know how it was changed. :confused:

I have seen it.. So? It's not what I am talking about. I am talking about slaughter PREPARATION accord the law before they killed animal fast within seconds. :roll: All what I read is about meat quality. It's okay as long as animal are already dead with no pain and suffer before they start to prepare them. I know from my friend who work for Slaughter house. :)
 
eek! I saw a real movie of slaughtering cows at a factory. Poor damn cows!

When it sends thru the two long vertical blade machine to rip the skin off awhile it's alive. (That's standard.) No kidding. They had to put it back and start cutting again. The cow was still alive and crying for a 2nd time. For a 3rd time, the man cut its throat manually. Those people who work at the factory are poor and have very low education.

Sorry, Dixie - I hate to say it. I hope that you would change your mind and start interest in veggie or semi-vegetarian (like fish and egg - not other meats).

My interpreter was in a teenager. They gave her a free hot dog at the slaughter factory. She remembered the tour that made her throw up. She stopped eating the meats. She is a permanent vegetarian.


This is a sick!!! The people must be sick to rip the skin off on alive animals like this. It is an illegal here in Germany... They make sure that animals are dead before they do something with them. I remember for see real movie about how and what they did with alive animals... :cold:
 
Hmm, if we allow gays to marry, then the poor people won't starve?

Sorry, I still can't see the connection. :dunno:



No, it's proof that you live in a dreamland where you can ignore ugly reality.



Did you watch that happen? How do you know what the animal thought and felt?

No, no, just put it out of your mind. It was quick and painless.

Mmmm, that was a delicious sausage. :drool:


Whatever :roll:
 
Yeah, that's why we have animal rights against sick people who abuse the animals horrible.

You think there are no such laws in America? They are, and you can go to prison for animal abuse.


you don't really believe just because Germany too, has laws against animal abuse nobody abuse animals there?


Fuzzy
 
I have seen it.. So? It's not what I am talking about. I am talking about slaughter PREPARATION accord the law before they killed animal fast within seconds. :roll: All what I read is about meat quality. It's okay as long as animal are already dead with no pain and suffer before they start to prepare them. I know from my friend who work for Slaughter house. :)

It explains in those link...

animals must be stunned (dead within seconds) before slaughter them....

Council of Europe - Explanatory report on the European Convention for the Protection of Animals for Slaughter (ETS no. 102)
 
You think there are no such laws in America? They are, and you can go to prison for animal abuse.


you don't really believe just because Germany too, has laws against animal abuse nobody abuse animals there?


Fuzzy

Did I said that US has no law for animal rights? I only talked about my country... Is it forbid or what? If the people talk about their countries what they know about laws is welcome as well.

Did I said that Germans NEVER abuse animals? Can you show me where I have say that Germans NEVER abuse animals?

I only say what I know about German law. Is it forbid to talk about my country? All what I said is ILLEGAL to abuse animals like this here in Germany accord animal right/welfare. If they found out then they will punish them for abuse animals like this.

Do you think I don't know that US don't have animal rights/welfare? :roll: We debated about animal rights in other threads. We all know that animal rights/welfare everywhere in the world but they fix the law on animal rights/welfare differently.
 
Sorry, Dixie - I hate to say it. I hope that you would change your mind and start interest in veggie or semi-vegetarian (like fish and egg - not other meats).

Just reminder, vegetarians and vegans do not eat fish. Let me explain what the vegetarians, vegans, etc means.

Lact Ovo Vegetarians- No meats, includes the sea animals.

Lact Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no eggs

Ovo Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no diary

Vegan- No meat/sea animals, no eggs, and no diary

Veggie or Vegie are only short word for Vegetarians.
 
Just reminder, vegetarians and vegans do not eat fish. Let me explain what the vegetarians, vegans, etc means.

Lact Ovo Vegetarians- No meats, includes the sea animals.

Lact Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no eggs

Ovo Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no diary

Vegan- No meat/sea animals, no eggs, and no diary

Veggie or Vegie are only short word for Vegetarians.

wow interesting...

*curious question*

I'm surprised that fish belongs to animal group which I thought they doesn't belong animal group because they doesn't have 4 legs but fins and tails? My good friend consider himself as a Vegan because he don't eat meats but eggs, milk products (diary) and fish. I will question him when I see him again.

But egg is not animal or what? Is it because the egg come from chicken?

Dairy (milk products) - do you mean that we should not eat homemade cake where there're milk products and eggs including? or cheesecake? I think you should create a new thread about this.
 
Just reminder, vegetarians and vegans do not eat fish. Let me explain what the vegetarians, vegans, etc means.

Lact Ovo Vegetarians- No meats, includes the sea animals.

Lact Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no eggs

Ovo Vegetarians- No meats/sea animals, AND no diary

Vegan- No meat/sea animals, no eggs, and no diary

Veggie or Vegie are only short word for Vegetarians.
Oh my goodness! what in the world do you EAT, then?
Just vegetables only? what do you eat for proteins? You know
you have to have proteins and fish/meats do provide proteins and you
wont eat any seafood?
I would guess you have to take a lot of vitamins in order to stay
ALIVE, lol!
give us your insight on what you eat and all, ok? .....im curious.
 
Oh my goodness! what in the world do you EAT, then?
Just vegetables only? what do you eat for proteins? You know
you have to have proteins and fish/meats do provide proteins and you
wont eat any seafood?
I would guess you have to take a lot of vitamins in order to stay
ALIVE, lol!
give us your insight on what you eat and all, ok? .....im curious.

She's veggie, not vegan.

She can drink protein shake or take protein pills.
 
She's veggie, not vegan.

She can drink protein shake or take protein pills.

Who's "she"? Webexplorer?
Yeah, i guess she could use protein pills or protein shakes, i know
that, but the point im making is: since vegans do not eat any
meat, dairy products, seafood at all, that means no PROTEINS
at all, so how you get proteins??? you know we gotta
have em, thats my point.
 
Who's "she"? Webexplorer?
Yeah, i guess she could use protein pills or protein shakes, i know
that, but the point im making is: since vegans do not eat any
meat, dairy products, seafood at all, that means no PROTEINS
at all, so how you get proteins??? you know we gotta
have em, thats my point.

Oop, I means PuyoPiyo as he... not your brother, webexplorer.
 
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