Anti-Adoption?

[KarissaMann05]

All this talks of abortion reminds me of a very interesting book 'Freakonomics'. In Chapter 4, Nicolae Ceausescu, the dicator of Romania, made abortion illegal in 1966 so he could boost Romania's population. He was a brute to his citizens but gave government positions to his relatives and his wife. The country's birthrate did doubled but the children born after 1966 weren't a happy lot. Those children did worse in everything like school and job and they tend to be criminals. Ceausescu, along with his wife, died by a firing squad after the massacre in Timisoara.

Now in USA, The crime rate had risen 80 percent in 1974 - 1989 but dropped in early 90's. One of the few reasons for this is Roe vs. Wade when the abortion became legal in 1973. It is an interesting theory that legalized abortion led to lesser crime.

I agree that women should use better birth controls and men should be involved in birth controls like condoms.

Mm.. If it's true, that's NOT means we should to encourage females to abort because of recuding crimes.

I believe that somethign else can prevent frelizebse (sp) instead having an abortion. They should to focus on frelizbse and conplamion (sp) (sorry, i suck at words..) which is BIG prevention.

For an explain, if a kind of birth control have a risk of infection, bleeding, or any kind of hazard things, then it should to change it to improve the birth control. I think it would help to reduce numbers of abortions and adoptions if they use a 99% safety B.C.


Just thought. What do you think?

 

[KarissaMann05]

Yes, my hubby's widow Grandmother (his father's mother) was raped by soliders/Nazis during WWII time and got pregnant with my hubby's father, that's time the abortion law was forbidden. His Grandmother already had a 17 years old son by her husband who killed at WWII time. The people were horrible to her and insult her as whore/slut etc because Grandmother was a cooker for soliders/Nazi - it make the people think bad of her. My hubby's father was born. Grandmother abused him and treat his 17 years oldest brother special. His 17 years older brother love his baby brother and treat him like his son, not his brother. My hubby;s father's childhood was not very happy one. No wonder, why my hubby's father has no love feeling and very hard heart like stone. My hubby's father love his brother dearly and never forget how much he did a lot for him against their unloving mother... He died of ulcer cancer when my older son was 1 year old. My hubby's father is still alive but he show no interest... which is really sad...

But he loves you, obviously, he still has an interest for ya!

Yes, my good friend got pregnant by rapist and decide to keep her child. She is a single mother of 2 children and good mother to them, no matter either one of their child is a rapist's child.

Each mother has different feeling/emotion.


Remember, every mothers don't have same feeling either they want to keep rapist's child or not. That's why I am neutral to this issues.

Ah, yeah.. :/ I wish she could just make up her mind.

Yes I has to agree with you that it's not child's fault that his/her father is rapist.

for know my view.

 

[webexplorer]

Would they help a 10 years old boy how to use the computer? How to create the websites? How to chat with people online? 10 years old boy? Oh please... Plus he is the first one who taught me so much about the computer. My cousin is very important family member in my family, you are making it sounds like my cousin are worthless. You jerk.

I think that your cousin is enthusiastic and very smart. Actually, it was nice for your cousin to help you with the computer stuff. What does it has to do with abortion?

Well sorry, forced-castration is a assault. If we think that is OK, then we should chop theif's hands off, we should chop people's leg for running in the hallway, we should remove people's eyes so they can stop spying, etc etc etc.

I find that VERY SICK.

Abortion comparing to castration? OH please! Abortion is about the BABY. Castration is NOT, castration is about the PENIS. Invaild comparison. :roll:.

It is too bad. The testicles contain sperms. If a rapist has a bad rap, I think that he should be castrated. It is a logical thing to do. It has nothing to do with hands, legs, ears, etc. Yes, it is very sick, and the rapist should know better that he should never hurt a woman.

Again, invaild comparison, it's because Males Don't Get Preggy. Female Do..

Sure, males make female preggy because of the sperms.

Me bring the castration issue? Read Eve's post please, I did not. Plus I am not scare of discussing about male or female bodies, that's because I am ANDROGYNE. I am kinda surprised that I actually surprised you that I was not afraid of discussing about the castration... *scoff*

Anyway, this is Eve's post that FIRST bring up about Castration.

I didn't read that Eve's post. I should have read her posts at the beginning.
I find that your posts are more interesting than Eve's. You can be smart, but in the wrong way. I don't know. I read your comments which was positive, but now you brought up negatives that made me disappointed because of the abortion issue. I believe that the parents should be privacy and choice what they decide to have it or not. This is a very difficult, but it is the best for us not to interfere their business. That's all I have to say about that part.

 

[Reba]

Just my two cents:

I don't support castration for rapists.

Why? Because rape is not a crime of sexual desire; it is a crime of violence and subjugation. Castration can remove the means of rape by sexual intercourse but it won't remove the hate and violence of the perpetrator. If he can't commit his violence thru sexual contact, he will do it thru other means, up to and including torture and murder.

Keep him locked up and away from society as long as possible. If you want to try counseling, therapy, behavior modification, etc., while he's locked up, that's fine. Just keep him locked up.

 

[Reba]

... I believe that the parents should be privacy and choice what they decide to have it or not....

"Parents?" If they are "parents" then the victim of the abortion must have been a baby, right? Two people can't be "parents" to a piece of organic tissue.

 

[webexplorer]

Just my two cents:

I don't support castration for rapists.

Why? Because rape is not a crime of sexual desire; it is a crime of violence and subjugation. Castration can remove the means of rape by sexual intercourse but it won't remove the hate and violence of the perpetrator. If he can't commit his violence thru sexual contact, he will do it thru other means, up to and including torture and murder.

Keep him locked up and away from society as long as possible. If you want to try counseling, therapy, behavior modification, etc., while he's locked up, that's fine. Just keep him locked up.

My understanding that the rapists have many bad raps. Some states free many prisoners because of overcrowd in the prison. A rapist is one of the list. The longest history in prison is thieves. I thought that the rapists are the worse than the thieves because the rapists ruin people's life and scar memory. It was on CBS maybe 24 Hours. I was disappointed to learn that it is very difficult for guards to control the rapists in prison, and it is hard for me to believe that they let them out.

Locking him in the prison isn't the solution because of the rise in the prison. Castrating him that it makes him less desire to go after women. You are right about one thing - He made a mistake that made her preggy so he could go to jail for a while or pay a big fine, or pay for the abortion, or pay child support - it's up to the judge. But, the rapist continues on the rise, then of course, he has to be stopped from happen again. What do you think?

 

[Hwy99]

I think that your cousin is enthusiastic and very smart. Actually, it was nice for your cousin to help you with the computer stuff. What does it has to do with abortion?

Well what I was mention is that if my anut decide to abort my cousin because his father is a rapist, then he won't be here for me to learn about the computer.

It is too bad. The testicles contain sperms. If a rapist has a bad rap, I think that he should be castrated. It is a logical thing to do. It has nothing to do with hands, legs, ears, etc. Yes, it is very sick, and the rapist should know better that he should never hurt a woman.

Well you are right, castration have do nothing with the hands, legs, ears, but I just see them the same situation.

About the testicle... Well umm that is not castration. I still disagree and agreed with Reba's post.

Sure, males make female preggy because of the sperms.

If a rapist give the sperm to a female, then the sperm is her. A rapist does not deserve to have a child.

I didn't read that Eve's post. I should have read her posts at the beginning.
I find that your posts are more interesting than Eve's. You can be smart, but in the wrong way. I don't know. I read your comments which was positive, but now you brought up negatives that made me disappointed because of the abortion issue. I believe that the parents should be privacy and choice what they decide to have it or not. This is a very difficult, but it is the best for us not to interfere their business. That's all I have to say about that part.

Hmm you bring the negative first place, calling me a sleepyhead and telling me that I can find someone else to teach me how to use the computer instead of my cousin, which make me lead to heat debate in my (personally) best friend's thread, which also made me disappointed.

Just my two cents:

I don't support castration for rapists.

Why? Because rape is not a crime of sexual desire; it is a crime of violence and subjugation. Castration can remove the means of rape by sexual intercourse but it won't remove the hate and violence of the perpetrator. If he can't commit his violence thru sexual contact, he will do it thru other means, up to and including torture and murder.

Keep him locked up and away from society as long as possible. If you want to try counseling, therapy, behavior modification, etc., while he's locked up, that's fine. Just keep him locked up.

Agree! The best thing is just keep him locked up as long as nobody get hurt or themselves.

Puyo & webe, jsut drop it off for now.

I can see the heat debate here (about unworthy bastard children of rapists vs. abortion) get just rise up a bit.

Just let it go, please. Thank you. ^_^

I am going to be calm down, sorry for the heat debates..

 

[Reba]

...Locking him in the prison isn't the solution because of the rise in the prison. Castrating him that it makes him less desire to go after women. You are right about one thing - He made a mistake that made her preggy so he could go to jail for a while or pay a big fine, or pay for the abortion, or pay child support - it's up to the judge. But, the rapist continues on the rise, then of course, he has to be stopped from happen again. What do you think?

If you let an unrepentant, unchanged rapist out of prison, how will you protect women? Castration might lessen his physical desire for women but it won't lessen his sick desire to "punish" women. I hate to get graphic but if the serial rapist can't physically use his penis, he'll use a fist, a broomstick, a knife, a piece of broken glass, or whatever his warped mind comes up with. Also, rape is often a crime that includes other crimes in its commission, such as breaking and entering, assault and battery, and kidnapping. Castration won't prevent him from doing those crimes.

As for your question about the rapist who isn't paying child support, I'm not quite sure what that story is about, and how it relates to rape continuing to rise. I must have missed the post to which you are referring. I try to keep up with the posts but sometimes I overlook some within a thread.

 

[webexplorer]

Hello Mann_K05

Sure, we will stay in your topic. Sorry about the confusion. You are the leader.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Sorry for nto responding sooner, due to login problem. now, it's fine.

I decided to let the heat debate go since it's obviously no match for me. I don't care if they (my friends) are children of rapists because they are important to me. I'm so happy they are here.

Anyway..

it now jsut come to me about pro-adoption.

There is a few possibly sovle the problem.
* Make a legal right for both homosexual and single parents to adopt a child.
* To make a new techincal thing to prevent a number of spammer/baby brooker.
* To improve a symstem of ophanage/foster house/other; train children properly, teaching them about sex education, to teach them what is wrong and what is right, and etc.
* I'm thinking of something positive.. hmmm...

There is possibly sovle the rate of both adoption and abortion.
* To improve a birth control for safety, hopefully, to reduce a risk of infection or kind of harm object, or agllection (sp) and etc.
* To change a birth control into an advance one; for explain, y'know, a "T"-shape thing? It's not safe because the "T"-shaped object has two points that would cause an infection. So, it should to change to have it curved-points for the "T-shaped" thing. Sorry, I don't remember what it is called.. >.<
* I think.. all schools should have an open meeting for parents every week, because many closed minded parents dont share/discuss with their children about sex safety..
* Mmm.. *thinking* I'm thinking of something more positive..

How's about you? mm?

 

[KarissaMann05]

for know my view.

Shame on me for misreading your post again. -_-

I realized you were talking about your hubby's FATHER. I thought it's your husband, I think because of my dark background and blue font that was a bit diffcult for me reading.. haha =P

But, I think his father still have an interest for his family.

 

[VamPyroX]

I see nothing wrong with adoption.

There are some people who can't have kids and some kids who don't have parents. What can we do? Adopt!

 

[Deafilmedia]

Wow... you are mean.... lots of babies need to be adopted and be loved... even you need to be loved.. i guess you dont know what love is... TOO BAD....

Some kids never got adopted, they ended up in Foster Home... and then get put out when they turned 18. No money for college and may have to work right after they graduate from High School. Sometimes be in the orphanage. Sadly wait for people
to adopt them.

 

[Deafilmedia]

I see nothing wrong with adoption.

There are some people who can't have kids and some kids who don't have parents. What can we do? Adopt!

It would be nice to adopt kid(s), but I ain't got no job and I can't even
support myself... and if I do get married to a man who got job...
and if that man and I agree to adopt... then we can get a girl and a boy.
And also adopt puppy. To make house a family home.

 

[SJCSue]

Now in USA, The crime rate had risen 80 percent in 1974 - 1989 but dropped in early 90's. One of the few reasons for this is Roe vs. Wade when the abortion became legal in 1973. It is an interesting theory that legalized abortion led to lesser crime.

As a "budding criminologist" (my professor's words modified), I would have to ask some questions because I believe you are pointing toward a biological perspective of crime. Where would they live? What type of neighborhood is it? Who are their friends? How much connection do they to nondeviant friends? My professor has told the class on various occassions that focusing on the cause of crime will reduce the number of that crime. If the cause of robbery is poverty, only when you address the issue of poverty, crrime will go down. I will step off the soap box now because I have homework for various classes.

 

[Eve]

I didn't read that Eve's post. I should have read her posts at the beginning.
I find that your posts are more interesting than Eve's.

gee thanks.

Anyway, let me clarify my position on castration for rapists. I believe that repeat offenders should be castrated IN ADDITION TO permanent imprisonment OR death penalty (depending on the nature of their crimes).

 

[Reba]

gee thanks.

Anyway, let me clarify my position on castration for rapists. I believe that repeat offenders should be castrated IN ADDITION TO permanent imprisonment OR death penalty (depending on the nature of their crimes).

That sounds better.

In that case, I'd go along with chemical "castration", closely monitored.

 

[jillio]

Just my two cents:

I don't support castration for rapists.

Why? Because rape is not a crime of sexual desire; it is a crime of violence and subjugation. Castration can remove the means of rape by sexual intercourse but it won't remove the hate and violence of the perpetrator. If he can't commit his violence thru sexual contact, he will do it thru other means, up to and including torture and murder.

Keep him locked up and away from society as long as possible. If you want to try counseling, therapy, behavior modification, etc., while he's locked up, that's fine. Just keep him locked up.

Bingo!

 

[jillio]

As a "budding criminologist" (my professor's words modified), I would have to ask some questions because I believe you are pointing toward a biological perspective of crime. Where would they live? What type of neighborhood is it? Who are their friends? How much connection do they to nondeviant friends? My professor has told the class on various occassions that focusing on the cause of crime will reduce the number of that crime. If the cause of robbery is poverty, only when you address the issue of poverty, crrime will go down. I will step off the soap box now because I have homework for various classes.

Excellent explanation of the sociological theories of the causes of crime! You have ben studying hard, SCJSue! Keep up the good work!

 

[Kaitin]

* Make a legal right for both homosexual and single parents to adopt a child.

From Religious Tolerance.Org: California, Minnesota, New York and New Jersey allow homosexuals to adopt a child. 40 other states had no laws either forbidding or permitting adoption by gays or lesbians individuals or couples.

* To improve a birth control for safety, hopefully, to reduce a risk of infection or kind of harm object, or agllection (sp) and etc.

From MayoClinic.Com: How effective are condoms at preventing pregnancy?
The breakage rate for condoms is two out of 100. Of every 100 couples who use condoms incorrectly and inconsistently, 15 will experience a pregnancy during the first year of use. Of every 100 couples who use condoms correctly and consistently, only two will experience a pregnancy. So 2% if used correctly and add spermicide for more protection.

* To change a birth control into an advance one; for explain, y'know, a "T"-shape thing? It's not safe because the "T"-shaped object has two points that would cause an infection. So, it should to change to have it curved-points for the "T-shaped" thing. Sorry, I don't remember what it is called.. >.<

"T"-shaped object is IUD. New IUDs are safe, but the old ones not sold now caused women problems. From Family Doc. Org: An older kind of IUD, which is no longer available, had serious side effects, including pelvic infections and infertility (problems getting pregnant after removal). These problems are very rare with the new IUDs.

IUDs are very effective. From Brown University: How effective is the IUD in preventing pregnancy and STIs?
The IUD is one of the most effective methods of contraception available. The rate of pregnancy for women using the ParaGard is 0.8% and for women using the Progestasert the rate is 2%. The IUD remains a medically safe method for many women and is the reversible contraceptive method used by more women across the globe.