Anti-Adoption?

[Buffalo]

Mm.. If it's true, that's NOT means we should to encourage females to abort because of recuding crimes.

I believe that somethign else can prevent frelizebse (sp) instead having an abortion. They should to focus on frelizbse and conplamion (sp) (sorry, i suck at words..) which is BIG prevention.

For an explain, if a kind of birth control have a risk of infection, bleeding, or any kind of hazard things, then it should to change it to improve the birth control. I think it would help to reduce numbers of abortions and adoptions if they use a 99% safety B.C.


Just thought. What do you think?

I am all for birth control but sometimes birth control fails. Suppose a woman got pregnant because of the birth control failure, her boyfriend left her. That is a bad situation for her to be in. Or a wife got pregnant and her husband lost his job? When a woman give birth to a baby in a bad situation, she might not love the child because of the situation. The mother is more likely to love her child when things are right like a loving father holding down a good job and that there is little or no debt, etc. When a mother shows less love, the child pick up on that and would go out of control and is more likely to be involved in crimes.

 

[Buffalo]

As a "budding criminologist" (my professor's words modified), I would have to ask some questions because I believe you are pointing toward a biological perspective of crime. Where would they live? What type of neighborhood is it? Who are their friends? How much connection do they to nondeviant friends? My professor has told the class on various occassions that focusing on the cause of crime will reduce the number of that crime. If the cause of robbery is poverty, only when you address the issue of poverty, crrime will go down. I will step off the soap box now because I have homework for various classes.

See my answer to Mann-K05. It would be interesting to find out more ways to reduce crimes. Thanks. This thread is very interesting.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I am all for birth control but sometimes birth control fails. Suppose a woman got pregnant because of the birth control failure, her boyfriend left her. That is a bad situation for her to be in. Or a wife got pregnant and her husband lost his job? When a woman give birth to a baby in a bad situation, she might not love the child because of the situation. The mother is more likely to love her child when things are right like a loving father holding down a good job and that there is little or no debt, etc. When a mother shows less love, the child pick up on that and would go out of control and is more likely to be involved in crimes.

I respectfully disagree because the poor qaulity of life do not means a child have to be void or is suppose to be aborted. If a mother less loves child, that is not means a child have to be aborted. However, if there is a problem then it suppose to have a help from a kind of service, rather than having "crimes are so awful, we need more abortions" subject. *It's not helpful, in my opinion.* I'd just rather to see something needs to be fixed.

Somehow, your post made me of new idea - Parenthood School.

Mmm, it is, maybe, for all ages and to help each other, espeically helping young mommies. If abusive mothers are in jail, I think the "school" makes a require for her to join the Parenthood School and to improve her motherhood.

I think it is possible to reduce rate of abuse or/and neglect children..

I only saw a several teen parent "schools" in my home state. I think we should add more advanced schools.

Other idea - Parenthood School is about being parent, it's not only bio-parent but foster, adoptive parent, and others.

Thought, Buffalo? ADers?

 

[Hwy99]

I respectfully disagree because the poor qaulity of life do not means a child have to be void or is suppose to be aborted. If a mother less loves child, that is not means a child have to be aborted. However, if there is a problem then it suppose to have a help from a kind of service, rather than having "crimes are so awful, we need more abortions" subject. *It's not helpful, in my opinion.* I'd just rather to see something needs to be fixed.

I agree with you.

Somehow, your post made me of new idea - Parenthood School.

Mmm, it is, maybe, for all ages and to help each other, espeically helping young mommies. If abusive mothers are in jail, I think the "school" makes a require for her to join the Parenthood School and to improve her motherhood.

I think it is possible to reduce rate of abuse or/and neglect children..

I only saw a several teen parent "schools" in my home state. I think we should add more advanced schools.

Other idea - Parenthood School is about being parent, it's not only bio-parent but foster, adoptive parent, and others.

Thought, Buffalo? ADers?

Parenthood School is very wonderful. My school where I graduated from, Hudson's Bay High School, have the program for students who want to learn how to take care for the children so we have the DayCare class for the children, most of the children come from Clark College across the road, and pregnanted students inside our school. Alot of teen pregnanted or teen fathers came to our school and took that program, I think the Vancouver School District required the teen pregnant girls or teen fathers to take that program and that's only at our school. I never see any of my friends who took that program at my school decide to abort or send for adoption, they just keep their children and are doing allright.

I think ALL of schools should offer this class!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Adoption vs. Abortion vs. Parenting

Your Life. Your Baby. Your Choice.

For some women who are considering an alternative to parenting, this may be the first big decision they'll ever make. For others, making decisions independently is nothing new.

No matter how vast your decision-making experience, choosing your baby's best future is one of the biggest, most profound decisions you will ever make. Your emotional vulnerability will likely be at an all-time high, not only because of the mega-dose of hormones being pumped through your body, but obviously, you are now responsible for the future of another human's life.

No matter how complex or unique your own situation - everyone has a completely different pregnancy experience - when all is stripped away, there are three choices: to parent, to adopt or to abort.

There was a time when choosing an alternative to parenting was anything but positive. You could either end the baby's life through abortion or "give up" your baby for adoption to a couple you knew nothing about, only to never see your baby again.

Thankfully, the realm of adoption has undergone a dramatic revolution in the past 20 years and even more so in the last decade. In fact, even finding any similarities between the way adoptions were conducted in the past and today.

The good thing is, you have choices, and no matter your decision, you will be far from alone in it. Of the 6.2 million women who were pregnant in 2002, fewer than half had planned the pregnancy (Options magazine, 2003).

While it is a good thing you have choices, you have to find the strength and rationality within to come to the best decision for both you and your child. Family and friends are wonderful resources who care for and love you, but sometimes, that isn't the best perspective from which to make an objective, well thought-out decision. That's why speaking with an adoption professional can be especially beneficial at this time.

Each decision brings with it myriad considerations - financial impact, emotional outcomes, medical possibilities, day care necessities, degree of family support or emotional support, to name but a few.

For most women, it's downright dizzying. Adoption professionals are trained to serve as a third party, unbiased perspective which can help you process through all of these factors in a rational way. Speaking with an adoption professional is the best way to garner an unbiased opinion so that you can be truly empowered to arrive at the best conclusion possible for both you and your baby.

Cost Differences

Adoption

There is no cost to you if you choose adoption. In fact, pregnancy-related expenses are paid for by the adoptive family, which often include medical care and living expenses. Examples may include: rent, utilities, maternity clothing, food, prenatal vitamins and any other medical expenses not covered by your insurance or Medicaid. You will be able to speak with your adoption specialist about your specific needs.

Abortion

Depending on how far along you are in the pregnancy, the cost will range from $500-$2,000 for an abortion. There may also be additional charges for ultrasound, the "morning-after" pill, birth control and further medical treatment, should an infection should occur.

Parenting

Parenting is the most expensive option. Total cost to parent a child ranges from $1,000-$2,000 monthly. This estimate may include but is not limited to: diapers, baby bottles, formula, clothing, car seat, day care, first aid supplies, blankets, crib or basinet, and hygiene products. A parent must also budget for shelter, food, transportation, and utilities to raise their child.

When all of these expenses are added up, it will cost approximately $12,000 - $24,000 per year to raise a child. This estimate does not include education and other items that children will require.

Similarities and Differences

Adoption vs. Abortion

Similarities



Adoption vs. Abortion vs. Parenting

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am neutral between Adoption and Abortion... It depend on each woman's feeling.

I respectfully disagree and agree with the list of adoption and abortion...

Adoption

You can feel good and positive about your choice

Disagree! I consider it as feel guilt and shame about your choice like what abortion list written. It's hurtful for some mothers who decides to give their babies for an adoption when they know the best for their babies to have a good and loving home.

You will remember giving birth

Yes, but you also would feel guilt and still thinking what your child alike and what your child doing... either your child is alive or dead? It's hurtful for some mothers as well. I know what I am saying because my friend talked awful a lot about her daughter, she gave up for adoption at 20 years ago. They reunioned each other after 18 years no see... and happy...

You will have plenty of time to plan you and your baby's future

If you mean that you have plenty of time to change your mind for not give your baby for an adoption. Yes, they gave you 8 weeks time to think about either you want to keep baby or not. (accord German law).

You can hold, name, and love your baby

How could you hold, name and love your baby when you don't want your baby and willing to give the baby up for adoption.

You can have continued contact with your baby

Not always.

Abortion

Your pregnancy ends with death

Yes only if up to before 12 weeks fetus, not after 12 weeks.

You may feel guilt and shame about your choice

Mostly yes.

You will remember taking a life

Mostly yes

Abortion is final; you can't go back on your decision

Yes, that's right.

You will never know or treasure your baby

Yes, it does the same with adoption as well.

You will miss the opportunity to see your child develop

Yes it does the same with adoption as well because you never saw how develop your child is at adoptive parents.


All what I say is is mainly important to make sure that you have form of birth control to aviod adoption and abortion.

Yes I know that some form of birth controls are not always safety... It's very hard for mothers to have choice either abortion or adoption...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am all for birth control but sometimes birth control fails. Suppose a woman got pregnant because of the birth control failure, her boyfriend left her. That is a bad situation for her to be in. Or a wife got pregnant and her husband lost his job? When a woman give birth to a baby in a bad situation, she might not love the child because of the situation. The mother is more likely to love her child when things are right like a loving father holding down a good job and that there is little or no debt, etc. When a mother shows less love, the child pick up on that and would go out of control and is more likely to be involved in crimes.

Yes I has to agree with you on this.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

1. What is your +positive+ opinion on adoption?

2. What is your -negative- opinion on adoption?

I cannot say anything to positive and negative opinion adoption issues. See the example of GalaxyAngel's bad experience with her adoptive parents. I know she is not only one and alone... and also see my cons/pros posts over adoption and abortion.

3. How do you improve a rate of adoption?

I don't have any opinion on this issues.

4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?

I beleive that a child deserve a loving and good home. If birthmother decides for adoption and found loving adoptive parents, then why not.

5. Do you think a birth control can reduce a rate of adoption and abortion? How so, and why/why not? Explain it well.

All what I say is is mainly important to make sure that you have form of birth control to aviod adoption and abortion.

Yes I know that some form of birth controls are not always safety... It's very hard for mothers to have choice either abortion or adoption. I am not judge the mother's choice for abortion and adoption.

6. Can male have his child when a female do not want a child? Why or why not? (Keep that mind, we have a different opinion. Try not take it so serious, please. Thank you.)

I see why not, if a male want to be responsible parent. Unfortunlately accord German law, the married couple MUST adopt the child together instead of a single parent. It annoy Germans because a rich well-know unmarried German man is allow to adopt a child which there're long waiting list for childless married couple for want to adopt the child which is UNFAIR. I can see that CPS see after people's money.

7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?

No, what I said in my previous posts is good enough.

In the note - YOU don't have to answer all those questions. Really.

Simple rules for my thread.
1. Keep it clean, please. (no insulting, rudeness, etc)
2. Keep this thread under control, please.
3. Of course, be resfect and use common sense.

Thank you for understanding.

Debate begins!!

(Phew! I'm done.. Haha)

Yes, madam...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Galaxyangel, I am glad to know that you and your birthmother reunion each other.

I am sorry to hear about your bad experience with your adoptive parents and your ex-boyfriend. Yes, I can understand your good reasons which is unfair to raise a child like this.

 

[Hwy99]

To Liebling @ post #165 and #166,

I agree with you, it's not easy to choose abortion or adoption. But... I would rather to take the adoption option so that the baby can live and have the life into the reality.