Airplane Crash today and is Missing

Jiro said:
Series of Errors by Malaysia Mounts, Complicating the Task of Finding Flight 370
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I thought about this , if the plane went of course why wasn't it consider a threat and shot down by the military . It could had used as weapon if it was hijacked by terrorists . How do we know if it was an error or a cover-up??? The link you posted said some of the families are hoping it was hijacked and flown to an abandoned WW 2 runway in a jungle . The runway would over grow with weeds etc 70 years later unless it was someone cleared it out.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I thought about this , if the plane went of course why wasn't it consider a threat and shot down by the military . It could had used as weapon if it was hijacked by terrorists . How do we know if it was an error or a cover-up??? The link you posted said some of the families are hoping it was hijacked and flown to an abandoned WW 2 runway in a jungle . The runway would over grow with weeds etc 70 years later unless it was someone cleared it out.
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the runaway is most likely still usable. it probably looks like this -

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Lost American Airfields of the North Pacific |
 
Jiro said:
the runaway is most likely still usable. it probably looks like this -

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Lost American Airfields of the North Pacific |
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I am surprise it not over grown with weeds etc after all that time. I think it's pretty far fetch that plane was landed in a jungle like some of the families think happen. I can understand them hoping this happen , it give them some hope that their love ones are still alive. I hope to HELL they get some real concrete answers very soon so they'll know what to do next.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I am surprise it not over grown with weeds etc after all that time. I think it's pretty far fetch that plane was landed in a jungle like some of the families think happen. I can understand them hoping this happen , it give them some hope that their love ones are still alive. I hope to HELL they get some real concrete answers very soon so they'll know what to do next.
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not easy for vegetations to completely cover an airport since it's flattened out and well-built. it would take probably hundreds of years for an airport to be completely covered.
 
I am sad to not be optimistic at all on this. I believe Flight 370 met its end right there shortly after the signoff leaving Malaysian airspace. Airline traffic continues on like nothing happened. Why? Because the true fate of the jet has been covered up. There is no way in Hell that 777 flew 7.5 hours without being observed or tracked.
 
goodonya said:
I am sad to not be optimistic at all on this. I believe Flight 370 met its end right there shortly after the signoff leaving Malaysian airspace. Airline traffic continues on like nothing happened. Why? Because the true fate of the jet has been covered up. There is no way in Hell that 777 flew 7.5 hours without being observed or tracked.
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Will Authorities Ever Find Missing Malaysia Flight 370? - NBC News

Nightly News is saying the plane may never be found or it could take up to a year for parts of the plane to come to shore . The utubes have CC ,there is 3 utubes about the plane.
 
Reba said:
EW's are a dime a dozen. They aren't as rare as you think.

I'm not discounting any theories right now but neither am I jumping on any bandwagons without some real proof.
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Have I not given references so far? i haven't jumped on any proverbial bandwagons either, so I am confused why you would use that phrase.
 
On March 8, 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared from civilian radar. Amid unusual (some say unlikely) theories that the flight may have landed, can we figure out how many runways might be available?

Data from X-Plane provides coordinates for runways around the world. A Boeing 777 pilot is quoted in Slate as estimating a runway length requirement of 5,000 feet. A recent Wall Street Journal article quoted sources stating the flight could have continued for 2,200 nautical miles from its last known position.

The WNYC Data News team found 634 runways that meet these criteria, spread across 26 different countries, including such far-flung places as:
Gan Airport (Maldives), Dalanzadgad Airport (Mongolia), Yap Airport (Micronesia), Miyazaki Airport (Japan)
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As speculation grows that there may be a slim chance Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 landed somewhere after it suddenly disappeared from radars, WNYC published a map to illustrate all the possible runways that could have been used. The WNYC Data News team used information from X-Plane that provides runway coordinates from around the world to determine all the possible spots that could be available for the plane to land within 2,200 nautical miles, considering a Boeing 777 would need a runway of at least 5,000 feet. There are a total of 634 runways that fit the criteria, spread out across 26 countries. But of course the number of places the plane could have landed is much larger as it assumes the plane used a formal runway in the first place. Slate’s Jeff Wise spoke to a pilot who flies 777-200s who said the plane could be landed on a highway. “A runway wouldn’t even necessarily have to be paved,” wrote Wise, “hard-packed dirt would likely be good enough.”
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MH370: The 634 runways where Malaysia Airlines flight could have landed.
 
Does the possibility that the plane is on land change anything about the investigation?

Yes, analysts told CNN. It means it's even more pressing that authorities find the plane. "Time is even more of the essence. If this airplane has been taken to be used as a weapon, then the time that has been taken to prepare the aircraft for whatever deed is the plan -- obviously to thwart that, it's all about time," said Shawn Pruchnicki, who teaches aviation safety and accident investigation at Ohio State University. CNN aviation analyst Jim Tilmon, a former American Airlines pilot, said whoever deliberately steered the plane off course likely did it with help. But what's next is anyone's guess, he said. "We have been behind them all along," he said. "So now, if they had a plan, and if that plan included being able to set down someplace and refuel a little bit, we are looking at something that we may never see the end of."
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Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Get up to speed on latest developments - CNN.com
 
Missing flight MH370: Australia handed MH370 search zone after 'good night' call revealed - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
'Most botched aircraft investigation in history'

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop told Question Time that Australia would continue to hand all of its defence intelligence to Malaysian authorities, who have overall responsibility for the operation.

But a senior aviation writer told The World Today that governments should be telling the Malaysian authorities they are not competent to run the investigation.

Editor of website airlineratings.com, Geoffrey Thomas, says the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane is "one of the most botched aircraft investigations in modern history".

"Unfortunately we have not been told by the Malaysians in a timely fashion about the shutting off of the ACARS, the shutting off of the transponder, the plane going to the west," he said.

"Millions of dollars has been wasted, days have been wasted searching in the wrong area. I think this is without doubt one of the most botched aircraft investigations in modern history."

Thomas says Malaysian authorities have known the vital information since the plane went missing on March 8 and it is "inexcusable" that information was not revealed on the day.

He says if the information had been released earlier it would have focused the search on a narrower area.

"Look, absolutely. I mean, for instance, the whole 10 or 15 nations wouldn't have wasted time looking in the South China Sea," he said.

"They would have been looking over in the Indian Ocean, west of Malaysia, not east of Malaysia.

"Critical time has been lost here and it's just inexcusable and it's dashed the hopes of the relatives and given them a torturous seven days of theory, then no theory, then counter-theory. All of that could have been dashed and we could have been looking in the right place.

"You'd have to say, without further clarification, the Malaysian air investigation, the Department of Civil Aviation in Malaysia is to blame. They're running the investigation.

"It's not Malaysian Airlines' fault. It's the fault of the authorities and the military in Malaysia as well."

Thomas says that if the plane flew into the middle of the Indian Ocean then the chances of finding it are "remote".

"This aeroplane may join a long list of planes that have disappeared over the last century with no trace whatsoever," he said.

Defence Minister David Johnston says he is satisfied with the communications from Malaysian authorities.

"I am satisfied with them. I think they're as perplexed as we are and, you know, I've seen an absolute parade of experts on television stations pontificating and hypothesising about what has happened to this aircraft," he said.

"It is most mysterious."

Mr Johnston says he is prepared for Australian teams to keep searching for weeks for the missing Malaysian jet carrying 239 people.

"I think we are locked in to do what we can to assist the Malaysians as best we can for as long as it takes," he said.

"That doesn't mean we will be there for the next 12 months but nevertheless we've got to really make a big effort in these next two or three weeks, certainly, to get to the bottom of what has happened here."
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Have they ever reveal whose 239 peoples names and pictures that we can see. It may make any differences if they reveal who are they are. why are they hiding?
 
Steinhauer said:
Have I not given references so far? i haven't jumped on any proverbial bandwagons either, so I am confused why you would use that phrase.
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Linkedin, Google and Wikipedia are not proof.

Wreckage, black boxes, reconnaissance photos, documents (plans, suicide notes), computer forensic results, etc., are proof.

I didn't say that you were jumping on any bandwagons. I said that I'm not jumping on any bandwagons. That means I'm not supporting one scenario over another. I'm trying to look at the pros and cons of each one.

The confusing part is why you took that statement personally?
 
(This was a pdf table, which didn't transfer the format properly. If someone can make a better copy, I would appreciate it.)

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/con...ght MH 370 Passenger Manifest_Nationality.pdf

MH370 Passenger Manifest
MH 370 PASSENGER MANIFEST
NO NAME NATIONALITY AGE
1 AN/WENLAN Chinese  65
2 BAO/YUANHUA Chinese  63
3 BAI/XIAOMO Canadian  37
4 BIAN/MAOQIN Chinese  67
5 BIAN/LIANGJING Chinese  27
6 BIBYNAZLI/MOHDHASSIM  Malaysian  62
7 BRODSKII/NIKOLAI  Russian  43
8 BURROWS/RODNEYMR  Australian  59
9 BURROWS/MARYMRS  Australian  54
10 CAO/RUI  Chinese  32
11 CHAN/HUANPEENMR  Malaysian  46
12 CHE/JUNZHANG  Chinese  68
13 CHEN/JIAN  Chinese  58
14 CHEN/CHANGJUNMR  Chinese  35
15 CHEN/WEI  Malaysian  43
16 CHEN/YUNMS  Chinese  57
17 CHEW/KARMOOIMS  Malaysian  31
18 CHUANG/HSIULINGMS
Chinese Taipei 45
19 CHNG/MEI Malaysian  33
20 CHUSTRAK/OLEG Ukrainian  45
21 DAI/SHULING Chinese  58
22 DAISY/ANNE Malaysian  56
23 DEINEKA/SERGII Ukrainian  45
24 DI/JIABIN Chinese  36
25 DINA/MOHAMEDYUNUSRAMLI Malaysian  30
26 DING/YING  Chinese  28
27 DING/LIJUN  Chinese  43
28 DING/YINGMS  Chinese  62
29 DONG/GUOWEI  Chinese  48
30 DOU/YUNSHANMR  Chinese  61
31 DU/WEN  Chinese  50
32 FENG/DONG  Chinese  21
33 FENG/JIXIN  Chinese  70
34 FU/BAOFENG  Chinese  28
35 GAN/TAO  Chinese  44
36 GAN/FUXIANG  Chinese  49
37 GAO/GE  Chinese  27
38 GU/NAIJUN Australian  31
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
NO NAME
NATIONALITY AGE
39 GUAN/HUAJINMS  Malaysian  34
40 GUAN/WENJIEMR  Chinese  35
41 HAN/JING  Chinese  53
42 HASHIM/NOORIDA  Malaysian  57
43 HOU/AIQINMS  Chinese  45
44 HOU/BO  Chinese  35
45 HU/SIWANCHD  Chinese  3
46 HU/XIAONINGMR  Chinese  34
47 HUANG/YIMS  Chinese  30
48 HUANG/TIANHUI  Chinese  43
49 HUE/PUIHENGMR  Malaysian  66
50 JIA/PING  Chinese  32
51 JIANG/CUIYUN  Chinese  62
52 JIANG/XUEREN  Chinese  62
53 JIANG/YINGMS  Chinese  27
54 JIAO/WEIWEI  Chinese  32
55 JIAO/WENXUE  Chinese  58
56 JINGHANG/JEE  Malaysian  41
57 JU/KUN  Chinese  32
58 KANG/XU  Chinese  34
59 KOH/TIONGMENG  Malaysian  40
60 KOLEKAR/CHETANA  Indian  55
61 KOLEKAR/SWANAND  Indian  23
62 KOLEKAR/VINOD  Indian  59
63 KOZEL/CHRISTIAN  Austrian  30
64 LAWTON/CATHERINEMRS  Australian  54
65 LAWTON/ROBERTMR  Australian  58
66 LEE/KAHKINMR  Malaysian  32
67 LEE/SEWCHUMDM  Malaysian  55
68 LI/YANLIN  Chinese  29
69 LI/ZHI  Chinese  41
70 LI/GUOHUI  Chinese  56
71 LI/HONGJING  Chinese  20
72 LI/JIE  Chinese  27
73 LI/MINGZHONG  Chinese  69
74 LI/WENBO  Chinese  29
75 LI/YAN  Chinese  31
76 LI/YUAN  Australian  33
77 LI/YUCHEN Chinese  27
78 LI/ZHIJIN Chinese  30
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
NO NAME NATIONALITY AGE
79 LI/ZHIXIN Chinese  35
80 LI/LE Chinese  36
81 LIANG/LUYANGMR Chinese  60
82 LIANG/XUYANG Chinese  30
83 LIM/POWCHUAMS  Malaysian  43
84 LIN/ANNANMR  Chinese  27
85 LIN/MINGFENG  Chinese  34
86 LIU/FENGYING  Chinese  65
87 LIU/JINPENGMR  Chinese  33
88 LIU/QIANG  Chinese  40
89 LIU/RUSHENG  Chinese  76
90 LIU/SHUNCHAO  Chinese  46
91 LIU/ZHONGFU  Chinese  72
92 LOU/BAOTANG  Chinese  79
93 LU/JIANHUA  Chinese  57
94 LU/XIANCHU  Chinese  33
95 LUI/CHING  Chinese  45
96 LUO/WEI  Chinese  29
97 MA/WENZHI  Chinese  57
98 MA/JUNMR  Chinese  33
99 MAIMAITIJIANG/A  Chinese  35
100 MAO/TUGUI  Chinese  72
101 MARALDI/LUIGI  Italian  37
102 MARIA/MOHAMEDYUNUSRAMLI  Malaysian  52
103 MATRAHIM/NORFADZILLAHMISS  Malaysian  39
104 MENG/NICOLECHD  American  4
105 MENG/BING  Chinese  40
106 MENG/FANQUAN  Chinese  70
107 MENG/GAOSHENG  Chinese  64
108 MOHDKHAIRULAMRI/SELAMATMR  Malaysian  29
109 MOHAMADSOFUAN/IBRAHIMMR  Malaysian  33
110 MUHAMMADRAZAHAN/ZAMANIMR  Malaysian  24
111 MUSTAFA/SUHAILIMISS  Malaysian  31
112 MUKHERJEE/MUKTESH  Canadian  42
113 NG/MAYLIMS  Malaysian  37
114 NORLIAKMAR/HAMIDMDM  Malaysian  33
115 OUYANG/XIN  Chinese  38
116 PUSPANATHAN/SUBRAMANIAN  Malaysian  34
117 RAMLAN/SAFUANMR  Malaysian  32
118 SHARMA/CHANDRIKAMS Indian  51
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
NO NAME NATIONALITY AGE
119 SHI/XIANWEN Chinese  26
120 SHIRSATH/KRANTI Indian  44
121 SIM/KENGWEI Malaysian  53
122 SIREGAR/FIRMAN  Indonesian  25
123 SONG/FEIFEIMR  Chinese  32
124 SONG/CHUNLINGMS  Chinese  60
125 SONG/KUN  Chinese  25
126 SU/QIANGGUO  Chinese  71
127 SUADAYA/FERRYINDRAMR  Indonesian  42
128 SUADAYA/HERRYINDRAMR  Indonesian  35
129 SUGIANTO/LOMR  Indonesian  47
130 SURTIDAHLIA/MRS  Dutch  50
131 TAN/TEIKHINMR  Malaysian  32
132 TAN/AHMENGMR  Malaysian  46
133 TAN/WEICHEWMR  Malaysian  19
134 TAN/CHONGLING  Malaysian  48
135 TAN/SIOH  Malaysian  42
136 TANG/XUDONG  Chinese  31
137 TANG/XUEZHUMS  Chinese  57
138 TANURISAM/INDRASURIAMR  Indonesian  57
139 TEE/LINKEONGMR  Malaysian  50
140 TEOH/KIMLUNMR  Malaysian  36
141 TIAN/JUNWEI  Chinese  29
142 TIAN/QINGJUN  Chinese  51
143 TONG/SOONLEEMR  Malaysian  31
144 VINNY/CHYNTHYATIOMRS  Indonesian  47
145 WAN/HOCKKHOONMR  Malaysian  42
146 WANG/SHOUXIAN  Chinese  69
147 WANG/SHU  Chinese  61
148 WANG/XIANJUN  Chinese  61
149 WANG/CHUNHUAMR  Chinese  34
150 WANG/CHUNYONG  Chinese  43
151 WANG/DAN  Chinese  54
152 WANG/HAITAO  Chinese  26
153 WANG/HOUBIN  Chinese  28
154 WANG/LINSHI  Chinese  59
155 WANG/WILLYSURIJANTOMR  Indonesian  53
156 WANG/YONGGANGMR Chinese  27
157 WANG/YONGHUI Chinese  33
158 WANG/YONGQIANG Chinese  30
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
NO NAME NATIONALITY AGE
159 WANG/LIJUN Chinese  49
160 WANG/XIMIN New Zealander 50
161 WANG/RUI Chinese  35
162 WANG/MOHENG Chinese  2
163 WATTRELOS/AMBRE French  14
164 WATTRELOS/HADRIEN French  17
165 WATTRELOS/LAURENCE French  52
166 WEEKS/PAULMR New Zealander 39
167 WEN/YONGSHENG Chinese  34
168 WEN/HAO Chinese  32
169 WENG/MEI Chinese  39
170 WONG/SAISANGMR Malaysian  53
171 WOOD/PHILIP American  51
172 XIE/LIPING  Chinese  51
173 XIN/XIXIMS  Chinese  32
174 XING/FENGTAO  Chinese  36
175 XING/QIAO  Chinese  27
176 XIONG/DEMING  Chinese  63
177 XU/CHUANE  Chinese  57
178 YA/NA  Chinese  26
179 YAN/LINGMR  Chinese  29
180 YAN/PENG  Chinese  29
181 YAN/XIAO  Chinese  27
182 YANG/LI  Chinese  35
183 YANG/AILINGMS  Chinese  60
184 YANG/JIABAO  Chinese  26
185 YANG/MEIHUA  Chinese  65
186 YANG/QINGYUANMR  Chinese  57
187 YANG/XIAOMINGMS  Chinese  59
188 YAO/JIANFENG  Chinese  70
189 YAO/LIFEI  Chinese  31
190 YAP/CHEEMENGMR Malaysian  39
191 YIN/BOYAN  Chinese  33
192 YIN/YUEWANG  Chinese  21
193 YUAN/JIN  Chinese  63
194 YUE/GUIJUMS  Chinese  51
195 YUE/WENCHAO  Chinese  26
196 YUSOP/MUZIMR Malaysian  50
197 ZANG/LINGDI Chinese  58
198 ZHANG/CHI Chinese  58
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
NO NAME
NATIONALITY AGE
199 ZHANG/LIQIN  Chinese  43
200 ZHANG/QIMS  Chinese  31
201 ZHANG/YAN  Chinese  45
202 ZHANG/HUAMR  Chinese  43
203 ZHANG/LIJUANMS  Chinese  61
204 ZHANG/NAMS  Chinese  34
205 ZHANG/SIMING  Chinese  71
206 ZHANG/XIAOLEIMS  Chinese  32
207 ZHANG/HUALIAN  Chinese  42
208 ZHANG/JIANWU  Chinese  31
209 ZHANG/JINQUAN  Chinese  72
210 ZHANG/MENG  Chinese  29
211 ZHANG/XUEWENMR  Chinese  61
212 ZHANG/YAN  Chinese  36
213 ZHANG/YAN American  2
214 ZHANG/YANHUI  Chinese  44
215 ZHANG/ZHONGHAI  Chinese  43
216 ZHANG/SHAOHUA  Chinese  32
217 ZHAO/GANGMR  Chinese  46
218 ZHAO/QIWEIMR  Chinese  37
219 ZHAO/YINGXINCHD  Chinese  3
220 ZHAO/PENG  Chinese  25
221 ZHAO/YAN  French  18
222 ZHAO/ZHAOFANG  Chinese  73
223 ZHENG/RUIXIAN  Chinese  42
224 ZHOU/FENG  Chinese  56
225 ZHOU/JINLING  Chinese  61
226 ZHOU/SHIJIE  Chinese  64
227 ZHU/JUNYAN  Chinese  41
8 Mar 2014
MH370 Passenger Manifest
MH 370 TECH & CABIN CREW
NO
NAME
NATIONALITY
1
ZAHARIE BIN AHMAD SHAH (TECH CREW)
Malaysian
2
FARIQ BIN AB HAMID (TECH CREW)
Malaysian
3
PATRICK FRANCIS GOMES
Malaysian
4
ANDREW NARI
Malaysian
5
GOH SOCK LAY
Malaysian
6
TAN SER KUIN
Malaysian
7
WAN SWAID BIN WAN ISMAIL
Malaysian
8
JUNAIDI BIN MOHD KASSIM
Malaysian
9
MOHD HAZRIN BIN MOHAMED HASNAN
Malaysian
10
NG YAR CHIEN
Malaysian
11
FOONG WAI YUENG
Malaysian
12
TAN SIZE HIANG
Malaysian
8 Mar 2014
 
I stay away from that happened because I don't want to fall for conspiracy theories. Like those "9/11 is myth" stuff, "phanes don't exist", and etc.

As for that names list, I don't know why it bothers me, but it seems odd to have many same names. Hmm...
 
Jiro and Steinhauer this thread is not for you guys to prove who is better at debating . How about the two of you making a thread to duke it out with one another. We all know how the two feel about one another views . We got it a long time ago. :roll:
 
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