Ahmadinejad Wins Iranian Vote

[webexplorer]

Syriana is a fictitious story. This is a difficult part about the story because it made us thinking - it is really twist in the story (both true and not true). Perhaps, you might consider to rent this DVD movie so that you will get the idea what the story is all about. (It is same ideal for a JFK movie - they still have no proof of how many shooters that killed the president.)

In Syriana, some poor people have nowhere to go and need to survive for food and job. This is very easy for the terrorists to teach and feed the poor people and do their duty as volunteers. That's the sad part because the terrorists trained them to be brainwashed by reading their "fake" bible so that they will believe to get married and have beautiful children in the heaven - it's one way ticket for them to go to the heaven by blowing up in a group of innocent people or oil ships or anything important to be targeted. Some other terrorists tell them that they are allowed to marry a very beautiful woman in their dream and prepare for their death so that they will get their wish to be in the heaven. It's very strange culture especially profound religious people. I do not think that it is not poor people's fault because many rich companies don't need them to work for their company. i.e. many people are struggle to find a job in United Arab Emirates and Qatar because many new and very beautiful constructions are almost finished. Many building owners will kick them out because there is no Equal Employment Opportunity or welfare program in their country.

I am not so sure how much similar to Iran if they want to make the weapon. Are there many poor people in Iran? Maybe, the government controls the media news that cannot permit to talk about poor people in the newspaper.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Syriana is a fictitious story. This is a difficult part about the story because it made us thinking - it is really twist in the story (both true and not true). Perhaps, you might consider to rent this DVD movie so that you will get the idea what the story is all about. (It is same ideal for a JFK movie - they still have no proof of how many shooters that killed the president.)

In Syriana, some poor people have nowhere to go and need to survive for food and job. This is very easy for the terrorists to teach and feed the poor people and do their duty as volunteers. That's the sad part because the terrorists trained them to be brainwashed by reading their "fake" bible so that they will believe to get married and have beautiful children in the heaven - it's one way ticket for them to go to the heaven by blowing up in a group of innocent people or oil ships or anything important to be targeted. Some other terrorists tell them that they are allowed to marry a very beautiful woman in their dream and prepare for their death so that they will get their wish to be in the heaven. It's very strange culture especially profound religious people. I do not think that it is not poor people's fault because many rich companies don't need them to work for their company. i.e. many people are struggle to find a job in United Arab Emirates and Qatar because many new and very beautiful constructions are almost finished. Many building owners will kick them out because there is no Equal Employment Opportunity or welfare program in their country.

I am not so sure how much similar to Iran if they want to make the weapon. Are there many poor people in Iran? Maybe, the government controls the media news that cannot permit to talk about poor people in the newspaper.

for description. I feel that the people don´t know much about Iran.

I would recommend you to read the whole, the American reporter Ann Curry interview some Iranian people.

Inside Iran
Dateline gets unprecedented access to a nation cloaked in mystery

Behind the veil: Inside Iran - International- msnbc.com

Ann Curry interview former president of Iran.

Khatami: Iran 'must look to the future'
Read NBC's interview with reformist leader, former president of Iran

Khatami: Iran 'must look to the future' - International- msnbc.com


Judge yourself on both articles. I strongly recommend to read both articles and try to listen BOTH sides.

This was a WONDERFUL report about Iran. I hope that the world, and especially Americans will see that the Iran have no hatre feeling toward U.S.



ADers,

I will be back for response some of your posts later.


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[Jiro]

Judge yourself on both articles. I strongly recommend to read both articles and try to listen BOTH sides.

The negative side outweighs the positive side but you only listen to POSITIVE side.

I'm not surprised :roll:

 

[Jiro]

Liebling - ever heard of BASIJIS?

 

[jillio]

So in jillio logic land, expecting more of a critique than blithely throwing out the word "ethnocentric" = not knowing what "ethnocentric" means = being ethnocentric. I would expect something more like "That is ethnocentric because you're not in a position to objectively judge that your own system of freedom and democracy produces a happier and more prosperous society than an oppressive theocracy." Then you go on to back up that position.


Oh, thank goodness it's over.


Oh crap! There's more!

That's a lot of assumptions you make there. And I'm not seeing the logical connection between criticizing academia and being ethnocentric. Besides, my culture involves criticizing the fads that sweep through academia and you're criticizing me for it. That's ethnocentric!!!*

*note: sarcasm intended

Sarcasm is only effective when there is knowledge and truth behind it. Perhaps that is why you find it necessary to let us all know that you are attempting to be sarcastic.

Not making any assumptions at all. I will refer you to the study of cultural anthropology and sociology. Perhaps you will gain a greater understanding of ethnocentrism, its negative effects, and its impact when your knowledge of such increases.

 

[Reba]

If Iran hate America then they would attack America years ago but they didn´t.

Because they didn't yet have the technological or military ability. They are now getting closer to that ability.

Iranians did attack the U.S. Embassy in Iran, which is politically the same thing as attacking Americans on their own soil.

I personally disagree to have nuclear weapons etc but the USA and other countries have no right to stop any country from nuclear technology because USA and other countries already have it. If USA and other countries want to stop Iran or any countries, they should destroy their own nuclear weapons/progam first.

Its about fair.

It's about stupidity.

Why should we get rid of our defensive weapons and allow other countries to attack us?

Should all the police get rid of their guns first and hope that all the criminals will do the same?

Ridiculous.

It´s Iran´s anti-america political but you don´t know Iranian people.

I've personally known Iranian people who lived in the USA.

I as an employee for US military doesn´t mean that I hate Iran and other countries because they hate America... :roll:

I beg your pardon? Who said that the US military "hates" Iran?

 

[darkdog]

Not making any assumptions at all.

"...a sign of feelings of inferiority..."
"...not reached the status of being knowledgable enough to be considered a participant [in academia]..."

Yet you say these things despite the fact that I've had plenty of participation in academia. The irony here is that if I did feel inferior, I'd probably still be in academia trying to prove myself.

I will refer you to the study of cultural anthropology and sociology. Perhaps you will gain a greater understanding of ethnocentrism, its negative effects, and its impact when your knowledge of such increases.

Funny that you speak of truth and knowledge. Foxrac seems to have done his homework on Iran. But I guess it all means nothing since some lady that goes to college knows the word "ethnocentric" and isn't afraid to use it.

Foxrac's prescription for Iran may be wrong, but throwing out the word "ethnocentric" is not enough to prove it. Once again, specificity is the soul of credibility.

By the way, I'm still curious- how does criticizing academia make one ethnocentric? Could you explain that to me?

 

[Beowulf]

Gosh, this thread reads like Stormfront. I fear for our safety. :P

 

[Jiro]

Gosh, this thread reads like Stormfront. I fear for our safety. :P

(I know you're not referring to Star Wars )

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In the past - Iran has had long hate wars with Iraq. What do you think why Saddam had one of the most powerful army in Middle East? What you think why USA helped Saddam? Because of Iran! and Syria!

Syria? Syria population are everywhere in Middle Easte, not just Iran. They have Syrians in Iraq as well.

Iran was supported by Syria and Libya and Saddam was supported by the USA during Iran-Iraq war.

Iran rejected Iraq's offer, demanding the removal of the Saddam Hussein regime.

We know for a long time that Saddam was very cruel to his people but we were very surprised that the USA believe in Saddam over Iran and help Saddam to attack Iran.


It explains better in that link.

Iran?Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you allowed Iran to have a nuclear weapon, they will attack Israel. Your favorite president - Clinton was part of campaign to prevent Iran from doing that. Clinton tried his hardest to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear technology as well. I pray Obama will continue what previous Administrations have worked hard for.

No, we know that Israel want to attack Iran.

Who is more likely to threaten with nuclear weapon? Iran or USA?

No matter what, but every country including the USA has the right to use neclear weapon to defend/protect their country.

and do you personally know any Iranian people?

Of course, yes.

 

[Jiro]

please answer my question with either Iran or USA - Who is more likely to threaten with nuclear weapon? Iran or USA?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The negative side outweighs the positive side but you only listen to POSITIVE side.

I'm not surprised :roll:

I am not surprised because I know that you love to have negative thought about Iran and refused to listen Iranian´s word.

I thought my both links convince you that Iranians are not anti-America and talk positive about America. Oh I see that you loves negative.

If you wish to read Iran´s negative, then you can read part of 2nd link what Khatami said about Bush.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

please answer my question with either Iran or USA - Who is more likely to threaten with nuclear weapon? Iran or USA?

Yes you have my answer few minutes ago... I said NO MATTER what, but every country including the USA has the right to use neclear weapon to defend/protect their country.

 

[Jiro]

Yes you have my answer few minutes ago... I said NO MATTER.

unacceptable answer. I can see that you're avoiding my question. We both know why

 

[Liebling:-)))]

unacceptable answer. I can see that you're avoiding my question. We both know why

No, you use it as a feeble excuse when you KNEW that every country have one. I do not aviod to answer your question but the fact is EVERY country has the right to defend their country. Why can´t Iran have one when the US, Isreal and other countries have one? Why US allow Israel to have one, not Iran when US KNEW that Israel want to attack Iran?




*shake my head*

 

[Jiro]

No, you use it as a feeble excuse when you KNEW that every country have one. I do not aviod to answer your question but the fact is EVERY country has the right to defend their country. Why can´t Iran have one when the US, Isreal and other countries have one? Why US allow Israel to have one, not Iran when US KNEW that Israel want to attack Iran?


*shake my head*

1. Has Israel threaten anybody including Iran with nuke?
2. Has USA threaten anybody with nuke?
3. Who is more likely to threaten with nuke? Iran or USA?

 

[Foxrac]

No, you use it as a feeble excuse when you KNEW that every country have one. I do not aviod to answer your question but the fact is EVERY country has the right to defend their country. Why can´t Iran have one when the US, Isreal and other countries have one? Why US allow Israel to have one, not Iran when US KNEW that Israel want to attack Iran?




*shake my head*

I already posted about more information on nuclear weapon in other thread that has same topic about Iran.

I have admit that you don't have experience about nuclear weapon, you need talk to nuclear specialist because nuclear weapon shouldn't used in countries that where government is unstable, including Iran and Pakistan made big mistake with nuclear weapon because terrorists would have any chance to takeover the nuclear faculty and attack against other countries.

Short answer is no, Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapon, period and our government don't confirm about Israel want attack against Iran, that's full of bullshit and get fact before you make up the stories.

 

[Jiro]

I already posted about more information on nuclear weapon in other thread that has same topic about Iran.

I have admit that you don't have experience about nuclear weapon, you need talk to nuclear specialist because nuclear weapon shouldn't used in countries that where government is unstable, including Iran and Pakistan made big mistake with nuclear weapon because terrorists would have any chance to takeover the nuclear faculty and attack against other countries.

Short answer is no, Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapon, period and our government don't confirm about Israel want attack against Iran, that's full of bullshit and get fact before you make up the stories.

plus here's a fact for you, Liebling - Pakistan is the ONLY Islamic country with nuclear weapon capability. Pakistan is so unstable that USA has classified emergency military plan to secure the nuclear arsenal sites in case Pakistan collapsed due to Islamic fundamentalist fanatics.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Mmm... interesting posts here.

Mmm. I think, if the Iranian government kicked out all the foreign media... Well, you actually know something else that is devious, and is going on there. Hell yeah, they are standing up against that jerk! Freedom is worth fighting for. Go Iranians!

That is all I say.

 

[Jiro]

Iran admits 50 cities had more votes than voters

In 50 Iranian cities the number of votes cast in this month presidential election exceeded the number of eligible voters, the state's election watchdog admitted today.

The surprising admission by the Guardian Council was, however, designed to undermine the claims of the defeated candidates that the vote was rigged.

Mir Hossein Mousavi, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's main rival in the hotly-disputed election, and the other two losing candidates have claimed that the vote exceeded eligible voters in as many as 170 districts.

Abbasali Kadkhodai, a spokesman for the council of senior clerics, told the state television channel IRIB: "Our investigation shows that the number of districts they announced is not correct. Based on our preliminary report, 50 districts face this issue."

Mr Kadkhodaei also argued that voter turnouts of more than 100 per cent were not unusual because Iranians can cast their ballots where they want. Although it is summer in Iran and some of the cities in question are in desert areas, he suggested some voters might have gone to them on holiday.

He also made clear that Mr Ahmadinejad's victory would not be affected even if the results in the 50 disputed districts were reversed as they account for three million votes and the official results show Mr Ahmadinejad won by a margin of 11 million.

Mr Mousavi and the other two candidates, Mehdi Karoubi and Mohsen Rezai, have all complained to the Guardian Council of electoral fraud and have reported 646 alleged irregularities.

The council has agreed to investigate those complaints but it is chaired by a close ally of Mr Ahmadinejad's and dominated by conservatives. The defeated candidates do not consider it impartial - especially after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, made clear in a speech on Friday that Mr Ahmadienjad's victory would stand.

Mr Mousavi and Mr Karoubi are demanding a fresh election. They refused an invitation to appear before the council to present their complaints on Saturday and Mr Mousavi has rejected its offer to recount a random ten per cent of the votes.

The regime also announced today that 457 people were arrested during Saturday's running battles on the streets of Tehran. It said they had "caused insecurity, disrupted public order and clashed with police".

At least 13 civilians died in those confrontations between pro-Mousavi demonstrators and the security forces. The prosecutor general's office in Tehran claimed that it was "unknown vandals", not the police, who opened fire on civilians.

The protests have prompted unprecedented traffic on the micro-blogging website Twitter.com and on other social networking sites, including Facebook and YouTube, as details of planned demonstrations are shared around.

Many of today's postings were focused on Neda Soltani, the 26-year-old woman allegedly shot by a Basiji militiaman on Saturday evening who has become a posthumous poster girl for the protests after her death was captured on video. YouTube users posted picture galleries and even a song in tribute to her today.

yep there you go