Ahmadinejad Wins Iranian Vote

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but then - what about UK? Canada? Japan? China?

All the people around the world see whether the Iranians wins for the changes, then many other foreigners would consider to do the same thing. It is like a copycat. We can't see what's in the future.
 
All the people around the world see whether the Iranians wins for the changes, then many other foreigners would consider to do the same thing. It is like a copycat. We can't see what's in the future.

yea but I'm just saying that the countries I listed have 2 leaders and they're doing just fine. Iran can do same thing.
 
Clerics join Iran's anti-government protests
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(CNN) -- A photo showing Iranian clerics prominently participating in an anti-government protest speaks volumes about the new face of Iran's opposition movement.

In a blatant act of defiance, a group of Mullahs took to the streets of Tehran, to protest election results that returned incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power.

Whether these clerics voted for Ahmadinejad or one of the opposition candidates is unknown. What is important here, is the decision to march against the will of Iran's supreme leader who called the results final and declared demonstrations illegal.

In the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mullahs rule supreme. They are the country's conservative clerics; the guardians of the Islamic revolution and its ideologies. They're loyal only to God and Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Iranian opposition supporters took to the streets in protest of their candidate Mir Hossein Moussavi's loss in the June 12 presidential elections.

They alleged the elections were rigged. Moussavi asked to annul the results and hold new vote. Ayatollah Khamenei rejected the proposal, backed Ahmadinejad and called on people not to demonstrate or else face the consequences.

When the protests began, Iranian students for the most part, especially women were visible and in the lead. VideoWatch clerics join the protests »

Their numbers dwindled over time. Some blame police and militia crackdown and intimidation.

Social networks swelled with amateur video showing protesters beaten or shot at. Their screams of pain and even death were caught on tape by fellow protesters using mainly cell phone cameras.

Throughout all that, some clerics of the Islamic Republic have spoken up against the stifling of people's right to voice their opinion and in support of new elections.

On his Web site, Grand Ayatollah Hussein Ali Montazeri described government efforts to crackdown on the protests as threatening the legitimacy of the Islamic Republic because it was no longer representing all the people.

Moussavi ally and former president Mohammad Khatami also said in a statement that to "protest in a civil manner... is the definite right of the people and all must respect that."


The graphic pictures out of Iran in the past week have shown time and again, making statements is one thing and taking to the streets is another.

Iranian opposition at the leadership level and in the streets now has new faces, made up of those who had opposing ideologies before the election.

One symbol of that has become a nightly tradition in Iran. Secular or religious, Iranians go to their rooftops every night.. and shout out "Allahu Akbar" -- God is great -- and "down with the dictator."

a very clear and undeniable proof - Iran has the hybrid form of democracy
 
OK, so with you, it really comes down to diplomacy. Of course, there are different schools of thought on what makes good diplomacy. Some think it works to go nicey-nice. As for me, I'm generally in favor of calling an evil empire an evil empire.

Fortunately, Obama finally heeded McCain's advice and condemned the government of Iran. For that, I:applause: Obama.
Obama condemns violence against Iran protesters - Yahoo! News

I don´t read Yahoo News very much because I know they often twist.

No, I see different as you. Obama is an adult and do not need McCain´s advice.

Obama firm Iran Government because Iran Government started to accuse him for meddling Iran´s Election which is not right.

And Police´s involvement in helping Iran Government to hurt/kill demonstrators ís not right that´s why German, US, British and French stepped because the demonstrators should be leave alone to express their freedom.

I found the link to support from what I saw on TV.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Obama condemns 'unjust' violence
 
that's why McCain told Obama to be firm with Iran.
 
that's why McCain told Obama to be firm with Iran.

No, he do not take McCain´s advice.

At first Obama tried to respect Iran´s Election and ignore McCain´s advice. Obama was being wrongly accused by Iran Government for meddle Iran´s Election and police involvement in help Iran´s Government that´s why Obama firm them because Iran Government did is not right.
 
No, he do not take McCain´s advice.

At first Obama tried to respect Iran´s Election and ignore McCain´s advice. Obama was being wrongly accused by Iran Government for meddle Iran´s Election and police involvement in help Iran´s Government that´s why Obama firm them because Iran Government did is not right.

and in the end...... Obama did what McCain was telling him about..... be FIRM with Iran. Shake your finger at Iran :nono:
 
I believe that the best way is to change the Iran government system by eliminating the Supreme Leader. For example, Ayatollash Ali Khamenei. It should not have both Supreme Leader and Iran President in one system with two different people as two leaders. That's too confusion.

I saw the picture of 2 Supreme Leader (Relgious leaders) and President...

One for red relgious leader and one green religous leader.(Supreme Leader)

President (no matter Admehjadad or Massiov) but they are only puppet of Supreme leaders. The president only do what they tell him. It´s Supreme leaders who discuss/debate if they want to change something, not President. The president can say something but they need Supreme leader´s approval.

My opinion is: Iranian should protest to have Relgious leaders remove because Religious should not involve in political issues.

No matter if Admehjadad or Massiv won, but there´re still little difference between them... If Shah´s son is around then it would be BIG change.

Shah´s son said that he is willing return to Iran if Iranians agree to vote form of Government. Therefore they only protest to have Admehjadad remove and election cheat. I do wish they protest to have relgious leader remove.
 
and in the end...... Obama did what McCain was telling him about..... be FIRM with Iran. Shake your finger at Iran :nono:

No, McCain want him to tough on Iran. Obama firm Iran Government in respectful way, not that what McCain want him to do.
 
No, McCain want him to tough on Iran. Obama firm Iran Government in respectful way, not that what McCain want him to do.

uh................................ same thing
 
I don´t read Yahoo News very much because I know they often twist.

No, I see different as you. Obama is an adult and do not need McCain´s advice.

Obama firm Iran Government because Iran Government started to accuse him for meddling Iran´s Election which is not right.

And Police´s involvement in helping Iran Government to hurt/kill demonstrators ís not right that´s why German, US, British and French stepped because the demonstrators should be leave alone to express their freedom.

I found the link to support from what I saw on TV.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Obama condemns 'unjust' violence
Yahoo only puts up articles written by news wires such as the AP. I agree, though, that you have to take anything written by the AP with a grain of salt. The same goes for the BBC.

Here's the transcript and video on the White House website if you or anyone else prefers that.
The White House - Blog Post - The President's Opening Remarks on Iran, with Persian Translation

In this situation, McCain was right from the beginning. If Obama's "respectful" approach worked, Iran wouldn't have made false accusations against him in the first place. They were going to say that either way. That's why people like John McCain and myself believe in tough diplomacy with dictators. The "respectful" approach comes from the assumption that our own hardball approach is causing the problem and if we're nice to them, they'll be nice to us. It may work that way with some coworkers or neighbors down the street, but not oppressive tyrants. At best, you'll get false promises they never intend to keep.
 
Yahoo only puts up articles written by news wires such as the AP. I agree, though, that you have to take anything written by the AP with a grain of salt. The same goes for the BBC.

BBC, MSNBC, Deutsche Welle, Spiegeln and Focus are respect article.

Here's the transcript and video on the White House website if you or anyone else prefers that.
The White House - Blog Post - The President's Opening Remarks on Iran, with Persian Translation

I like that link... Obama speak out on behalf of the iranian people. Very respectful. McCain would not make speech like that.


In this situation, McCain was right from the beginning. If Obama's "respectful" approach worked, Iran wouldn't have made false accusations against him in the first place. They were going to say that either way. That's why people like John McCain and myself believe in tough diplomacy with dictators. The "respectful" approach comes from the assumption that our own hardball approach is causing the problem and if we're nice to them, they'll be nice to us. It may work that way with some coworkers or neighbors down the street, but not oppressive tyrants. At best, you'll get false promises they never intend to keep.

I respectfully disagree.

We would give Iran Government right for tell Obama off for meddling Iran´s election IF Obama takes McCain´s advice to tough on Iran in first place. Obama is smart to ignore McCain´s advice.

Obama stepped in because he was being wrongly accused and including police involvement... Everyone saw how wrong Iran Government is toward Obama and Iranian people. Iran Government started it, not Obama. Obama has right to firm Iran Government on the behalf of Iranian people. Very smart.



Reba´s post.
You explained who "we" were but you didn't explain why you feel entitled to speak out for the "we" people.


Please use your logic.
 
Iran repeated that they have no interesting for want to have nuclear weapons but nuclear power/techonological.
What they say and what they do are not the same thing.

I see why not if Iran want to have one to protect his country toward Israel´s threat.
I thought you just said that they aren't interested in having nuclear weapons? :confused:


U.S. Embassy in Iran was being attacked by anti-american terrorist group, not the people from Iran Government.
Iranians attacked Americans, with the blessings of their leaders.

I'll quote from your favorite source, Wikipedia:

"The Iranian hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamist students and militants took over the American embassy with the support of the Iranian government."


Can you please clarify what you try to tell me?
If America were to give up all her nuclear weapons before every other country did (with verification), it would be a stupid plan. It would leave America vulnerable to attack.


Where have I say that only US should rid of weapons? I only see that I said that every country including the USA has the right to defend their country. Please re-read my posts carefully.
You didn't say "only" but you said "first".
Post #42:

"If USA and other countries want to stop Iran or any countries, they should destroy their own nuclear weapons/progam first."

If the USA destroys its weapons first, it will be vulnerable to attack.

Please read your own posts carefully before posting.


":confused: Sorry, your post make no sense... Like what I said before that EVERY country has the right to defend/protect their own people. The USA has no right to forbid other country for use weapons when the USA have one.:roll:
It makes perfect sense. If the police give up their guns first, they can't defend themselves from the criminals.


Please re-read why I response someone´s post instead of pick on me and misinterpreted my post.
So, you agree that the American military do not hate Iran? I want to be sure that I understand you.
 
What they say and what they do are not the same thing.

I thought you just said that they aren't interested in having nuclear weapons? :confused:




Yes that they repeat dozen of times that they are not interested in nuclear weapons.

I only answered ADers´ hypocrites question over Iran and nuclear weapons.





Iranians attacked Americans, with the blessings of their leaders.

I'll quote from your favorite source, Wikipedia:

"The Iranian hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamist students and militants took over the American embassy with the support of the Iranian government."

No, hostage crisis was being attacked by Iranian students and US Embassy bomb by anti-american terrorist group, not Iranian Government.

If America were to give up all her nuclear weapons before every other country did (with verification), it would be a stupid plan. It would leave America vulnerable to attack.

Éxactly, then not tell other countries to do with nuclear weapons if the USA have one. Leave them alone.

You didn't say "only" but you said "first".
Post #42:

"If USA and other countries want to stop Iran or any countries, they should destroy their own nuclear weapons/progam first."

If the USA destroys its weapons first, it will be vulnerable to attack.

I am trying to make more clear.

If America don´t want other countries own nuclear weapons then they should destory their nuclear weapons first because America start it to tell other countries what to do. It´s okay for America to own nuclear weapon, not okay for other countries which is not right.

That´s why I said that EVERY countries including America has the right to defend/protect their country.

Its about fair.



Please read your own posts carefully before posting.

No, you should read my post more carefully...

I did said IF IF IF ... which mean is IF



It makes perfect sense. If the police give up their guns first, they can't defend themselves from the criminals.

Then don´t dictate other countries with nuclear weapons.


So, you agree that the American military do not hate Iran? I want to be sure that I understand you.

wow, Please be honest yourself...

Yes you understood my response post to ADer prefect that it´s about me as an employee for US military base. It´s about me, ADer referred to, not people from American military. Please go back and re-read my response post toward ADer
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How do they differ?

Firm - respectful way.

2. secure: fixed securely and unlikely to give way
a firm hold


3. determined: showing certainty or determination
You need to be more firm with them.


4. trustworthy: reliable and able to be trusted
firm evidence


firm definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta



tough - disrespectful way

1. difficult: physically or mentally challenging
That's a tough question.
It's a tough climb to the peak.


2. very strong: physically or mentally strong and possessing great endurance
Is he tough enough to make the climb?


3. resolute: having or showing firm resolve
She's a tough person to negotiate with.


4. durable: able to withstand much use, strain, or wear without breaking, tearing, or other damage
boots made of tough leather


5. hard to chew or cut: not easily chewed or cut
This steak is pretty tough.


6. threatening: characterized by antisocial behavior, crime, and social deprivation
a tough neighborhood


7. severe: involving or inflicting severe punishment or strict rules
the police policy of being tough on drink-driving


8. unfortunate: not fair or reasonable ( informal )
It was a tough choice to be offered.

tough definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
 
I like that link... Obama speak out on behalf of the iranian people. Very respectful. McCain would not make speech like that.
Except that's pretty much the sort of speech McCain was telling Obama to make- supporting and respecting the people of Iran while condemning the brutal government.



I respectfully disagree.

We would give Iran Government right for tell Obama off for meddling Iran´s election IF Obama takes McCain´s advice to tough on Iran in first place. Obama is smart to ignore McCain´s advice.

Obama stepped in because he was being wrongly accused and including police involvement... Everyone saw how wrong Iran Government is toward Obama and Iranian people. Iran Government started it, not Obama. Obama has right to firm Iran Government on the behalf of Iranian people. Very smart.
So you're saying Obama would have been wrong to condemn the government of Iran if they had not first accused Obama of meddling. I can maybe understand if Obama's initial silence were some sort of coherent tactic, but you're saying it's a moral issue, not a tactical one. Why is it a moral imperative to remain silent while a tyrannical regime inflicts brutality on its people for peacefully protesting?
 
Firm - respectful way.

2. secure: fixed securely and unlikely to give way
a firm hold


3. determined: showing certainty or determination
You need to be more firm with them.


4. trustworthy: reliable and able to be trusted
firm evidence


firm definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta



tough - disrespectful way

1. difficult: physically or mentally challenging
That's a tough question.
It's a tough climb to the peak.


2. very strong: physically or mentally strong and possessing great endurance
Is he tough enough to make the climb?


3. resolute: having or showing firm resolve
She's a tough person to negotiate with.


4. durable: able to withstand much use, strain, or wear without breaking, tearing, or other damage
boots made of tough leather


5. hard to chew or cut: not easily chewed or cut
This steak is pretty tough.


6. threatening: characterized by antisocial behavior, crime, and social deprivation
a tough neighborhood


7. severe: involving or inflicting severe punishment or strict rules
the police policy of being tough on drink-driving


8. unfortunate: not fair or reasonable ( informal )
It was a tough choice to be offered.

tough definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

You are trying to make up for your excuse that confirm about Obama is different and CNN said he's toughen talk on Iran.
Obama toughens his talk on Iran - CNN.com
 
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