Advice please: son doesn't want to wear HAs

sallylou said:
Cloggy, I was not anyone's deaf daughter. I lost my hearing later in life.

I am not insulting my father. He was a flawed human being that did what he thought was best at the time
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... But Rick is abusing his daughter... And his daughter has mental problems... You have no problem saying that.

Again.. Amazing.!!:roll:
 
The power of science. My nerd guys would love that. Alas, they can be a bit short sighted about other issues. You know, strengths and weaknesses. :D
 
DeafCaroline said:
I wonder if rick48's deaf daughter has seen his posts on AD and wonder what she thinks.
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I hope rick48's deaf daughter has not seen the posts of the people who, like her, are deaf on AD. Can you imagine what she thinks...
 
Bottesini said:
Which goes back to just ignoring their prodding and poking and they will get bored and go away.
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I guess I would do that -- just ignore those who keep prodding and poking -- but they leave behind misinformation and challenge the validity of the experiences of today's deaf children at every turn. It doesn't affect my family's decisions, but I'd hate to see someone new to this forum witness this and think that the negativity and bitterness of those who feel they were made helpless or trapped by their admittedly miserable childhoods represents the Deaf perspective, when it's nothing like the real-life Deaf perspective I encounter every day, which is empowered and positive and thoughtful.

Some here keep trying to make this discussion stemming from the OPs question about encouraging (or not) her child to wear HAs and use FM systems into a challenge, an attack on the validity of CIs. Children with CIs are members of the deaf and the Deaf community, their experiences should be every bit as accepted as someone who grew up deaf 40 years ago in a very different environment. And the relevance of their experience in academic environment and with today's technology is very important to new parents of deaf kids, whether they choose CIs or HAs or BAHAs or no aids. You could wait 15 years for them to be able to participate here, or you can get insight into their lives right now via parents. But parents of deaf kids who come here for advice can't wait, they need to be taking action today.
 
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No one is addressing the merits of my points. It just turns into personal insults. Like I'm the ungrateful daughter that insults her parents. Why should I bother? If you were truly interested you'd actually do some reading. Basic child development and sociology here.
 
deafbajagal said:
Her experiences will be ignored because she's a deaf person. And that's clear evidence of audism. Lissa has a lot to say and I hope she and other deaf adults with CIs continue to share their experiences. If I ever considered one for my child, those are the folks I want to hear from...because it's their lives.
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I don't care if my experiences get ignored by certain people, since I know there WILL be people taking my experiences in and gaining an understanding from it.

None of us should stop sharing our experiences ever on AD just cos of rude people.
 
AlleyCat said:
Isn't she the one who learned ASL AFTER she left home?
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Why do you slip this sort of comment in every so often? If I'm not mistaken, Rick has posted way back in the past about his daughter's and his wife's use of ASL early on, when his daughter was small child, right? And then she chose to use spoken language?
 
Lissa said:
I don't care if my experiences get ignored by certain people, since I know there WILL be people taking my experiences in and gaining an understanding from it.

None of us should stop sharing our experiences ever on AD just cos of rude people.
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I don't frequent the kind of threads that are long-running and geared to someone winning/someone losing......
 
GrendelQ said:
Why do you slip this sort of comment in every so often? If I'm not mistaken, Rick has posted way back in the past about his daughter's and his wife's use of ASL early on, when his daughter was small child, right? And then she chose to use spoken language?
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time I've ever asked.

Edit: And, my response was to Cloggy's, not yours. Apparently she doesn't think too badly of d/Deaf people if she wanted to learn ASL to communicate.
 
GrendelQ said:
the real-life Deaf perspective I encounter every day, which is empowered and positive and thoughtful.
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you're saying the real life deaf perspective is positive and empowering and thoughtful for all deaf people you've met in real life?

Hm.
 
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DeafCaroline said:
GrendelQ said:
the real-life Deaf perspective I encounter every day, which is empowered and positive and thoughtful.
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you're saying the real life deaf perspective is positive and empowering and thoughtful for all deaf people you've met in real life?

Hm.
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i have never had a deaf person attack my choices or be nasty to me or my daughter in real life. Never.
 
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DeafCaroline said:
Cloggy said:
I hope rick48's deaf daughter has not seen the posts of the people who, like her, are deaf on AD. Can you imagine what she thinks...
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Care to provide some examples?
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like people saying that him choosing spoken language for her is "legal child abuse"

or how about saying that he chose to implant her for his own convience.

or that he is an audist (and therefore believes that she is inferior to a hearing person because she is deaf.)

shall i go on?
 
deafbajagal said:
I have a lot of good friends with CIs...most love using them and benefit well from them. Yet, they share the similar experiences of those of us without CIs. I don't distinguish who has hearing aids, CIs, etc. I've interacted with all kinds of kids from one end of the spectrum to the other...and each one is very unique.

If you choose to disregard a deaf person's range of experiences on the basis that the person doesn't use HAs or CIs or utilize spoken language, you're also disregarding the experiences of all deaf people. Your loss.

The thread is supposed to be about whether or not the child should be forced to wear hearing aids. I suppose in the linear range of responding, we could consider if CIs would hold the same responses. Should we force a child to wear a CI if he clearly doesn't want to?
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And what we're arguing basicly is that CI kids run the spectrum from hoh (like hoh kids or deaf but hoh with aids) to only aware of enviromental sounds to everything else. Just as with response to hearing aids, every CI kid is unique.Cloggy/rick48/faire jour did not experiance the old days before CIs when deaf kids were seen to be orally sucessful with HA. God, in those days parents and AG Bell were claiming that deaf kids could hear with hearing aids...and there still were and there still are, plenty of those kids
Yes, the experiance of a deaf kid who was in the low speech perception levels with their body worn hearing aid, is going to be rather different from a kid who gets higher speech perception levels with their CI. Nonetheless, the high speech perception still means they are functionally hoh.....What AG Bell and pro oralists do not understand is that even kids with high speech perception miss out on a lot of stuff. Hell, CIDs site says that best listening conditions for an implantee are one on one/soundbooth conditions!!!!!!!
 
faire_jour said:
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like people saying that him choosing spoken language for her is "legal child abuse"

or how about saying that he chose to implant her for his own convience.

or that he is an audist (and therefore believes that she is inferior to a hearing person because she is deaf.)

shall i go on?
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and none of you did any mudslinging?

I've seen many of rick48's posts and no wonder he got the reaction he did. if he couldn't take a hint from an overwhelming majority of deaf people taking offense, then I don't know what to tell ya.

As for positive empowering thing, deaf people I meet in real life are positive people but they don't deny the dark side of oralism nor do they deny their difficulties with whatever lack of hearing they had with either HAs or CIs. Hearing parents looking for advice should get the whole truth, not just a part of it.

What is the Deaf perspective again? I'm curious to hear GrendelQ's definition of it. I'd like to be clear before commenting any further.
 
Fairjour..u can't deny that Rick has been nasty to many of us and you defend him? Yea...of course. Lol
 
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