Advice please: son doesn't want to wear HAs

posts from hell said:
Are you also going to argue prelingually deaf?

If not............ There's the door.
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:laugh2: I wasn't in on THAT discussion! Still laughing at how difficult it was for some people to find a dictionary.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Functionally HOH means when a deaf child wears an auditory device that gives them some degree of hearing, then they are hearing but as HOH.

Like for example, technically, i'm deaf. Without my hearing aids, i'm stone deaf but with them, I'm functioning as a hard of hearing person. Hence functionally HOH.

Just like your daughter is functionally HOH in a classroom.
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So, would that be how she 'acts' or what she hears when aided (or with CI on) rather than without?
 
posts from hell said:
Are you also going to argue prelingually deaf?

If not............ There's the door.
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Reason I say this is because you can't have it both ways. You do not argue a certain term because you "don't know what it is", and accept the other term and blast it through the bull horn.

Its like... The term has been tossed around here for a while and its NOW that you are like "gee whiz, i don't know what that is....."
 
posts from hell said:
Reason I say this is because you can't have it both ways. You do not argue a certain term because you "don't know what it is", and accept the other term and blast it through the bull horn.

Its like... The term has been tossed around here for a while and its NOW that you are like "gee whiz, i don't know what that is....."
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No, it's a term that has been challenged around here for years, and I've never seen resolution on what it means. I don't use it myself for that reason. If I'm going to address DC's statement, I want to know what the term means to her. That's why I'm not currently 'arguing' her point. And may not. Or may, depending upon what it means to her.
 
GrendelQ said:
No, it's a term that has been challenged around here for years, and I've never seen resolution on what it means. I don't use it myself for that reason. If I'm going to address DC's statement, I want to know what the term means to her.
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Really? :confused:

I understood her perfectly. Perhaps it has been challenged because the people who challenges this definition aren't comfortable with the truth. :dunno:
 
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Definitions are mutable. I can argue that a word means just about anything. Get over yourself.
 
GrendelQ said:
So, would that be how she 'acts' or what she hears when aided (or with CI on) rather than without?
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What she hears when aided with CIs which in turns will affect somewhat how she acts. She would not act in the classroom the same way she will act with her bus driver. They are two very different situational environments.
 
@PFH: get over yourself. :laugh2: You are reporting me because I want to know what DC means by functionally HOH before I answer? Give me a break!
 
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DeafCaroline said:
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av therapy teaches them how to hear and then helps with language. Most CI kids have never heard before, so they have to learn how to use the sense they didn't have before. They also missed out on the language for whatever time they were without the implant. But the truth is, the access from the implant is good enough that many people who heard before don't do therapy, because speech becomes clear to them very quickly. I also know of kids that have never had that kind of therapy and hear and understand speech.

i choose not to mainstream my child for many reasons, but those who do, and follow a strict AV philosophy have WAY more studies and lit. To back them up than i do.
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ok. so your child has enough access from her implant not to require any additional help with her comprehension of speech nor does she require any additional help in oral classrooms?

If you said to me, "my child can hear so well with her CI that she never required any additional help, therapy, services and/or accommodations and as such, she functions like a hearing person" - I wouldn't argue with you.

But you can't say "my child with CIs functions like a hearing person just fine" then admit that she does need additional help that hearing people don't.

Just be more honest and we'll stop giving you such a hard time.
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MY child is VERY different from the average implanted child. My decisions are for my child. If i had a child who had been born deaf and implanted at 1 or earlier, i doubt my decisions and considerations would be the same. MY child needs a different setting. She didn't have access to spoken language for 4 years and her spoken language was very delayed, but she did have language through ASL. She needs a very different education plan than your average early implanted child.
 
faire_jour said:
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MY child is VERY different from the average implanted child. My decisions are for my child. If i had a child who had been born deaf and implanted at 1 or earlier, i doubt my decisions and considerations would be the same. MY child needs a different setting. She didn't have access to spoken language for 4 years and her spoken language was very delayed, but she did have language through ASL. She needs a very different education plan than your average early implanted child.
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thank you for making my point.
 
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DeafCaroline said:
faire_jour said:
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MY child is VERY different from the average implanted child. My decisions are for my child. If i had a child who had been born deaf and implanted at 1 or earlier, i doubt my decisions and considerations would be the same. MY child needs a different setting. She didn't have access to spoken language for 4 years and her spoken language was very delayed, but she did have language through ASL. She needs a very different education plan than your average early implanted child.
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thank you for making my point.
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ok, i think you misunderstand.

does MY child need additional services outside a mainstream classroom setting? Yes. Does every deaf child with a CI? No.

my child did not have access to spoken language until she was 5. Which means she missed out on learning that language for all those years. So, she was dramatically delayed in her spoken language development. BUT, i know that the research says that the average child implanted at age 1 or earlier is fully caught up to age appropriate by age 3 or at the latest, age 5. So, do they need accomidations in the mainstream? I don't know, i don't parent that child and i wouldn't presume to have the answer.

What i do know is that a recent study followed a group of AV kids for something like 5 years (up until age 9 or so) and saw that the kids caught up to hearing kids in language, speech, reading, math and self esteem- all areas of study. And the fact is that no other methodology can show that. I choose asl but other people don't have to.
 
Slightly new sub-topic --

What have posters observed to be the range of functional hearing for people with CIs in noisy environments with large groups of people covering a wide range of area with everyone in a different location, and more than one person likely to be talking at the same time?

For example, a bunch of kids playing tag outside on a cement playground?
 
faire_jour said:
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BUT, i know that the research says that the average child implanted at age 1 or earlier is fully caught up to age appropriate by age 3 or at the latest, age 5. So, do they need accomidations in the mainstream? I don't know, i don't parent that child and i wouldn't presume to have the answer. .
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Then why make general statements like deaf kids with HAs and CIs CAN hear in oral classrooms if you don't know and don't have the answer? If you can only speak from experience with your own child, then do not speak for all deaf kids, with or without CIs or HAs then wonder why we argue with you and say you're mistaken.
 
Jazzberry said:
...Perhaps the Norwegian language is different, but in American English when someone says that "John can hear" without any furthur remarks, the assumption is that John's hearing is statistically normal and that he needs no help or assistance in any area that uses the hearing sense.

If John in fact has a CI, it is really not in John's interest to have most people believe that.
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Very very valid point.
 
Jazzberry said:
Slightly new sub-topic --

What have posters observed to be the range of functional hearing for people with CIs in noisy environments with large groups of people covering a wide range of area with everyone in a different location, and more than one person likely to be talking at the same time?

For example, a bunch of kids playing tag outside on a cement playground?
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It varies so very much -- and I've regularly observed so many little ones with CIs in those circumstances :) . In my daughter's case, she 'hears' really well in that sort of environment: lots of people spread far and wide outside. By 'really well', I mean that there's no noticeable difference in the way she interacts/communicates/detects sounds and the way a typical hearing kid does in that environment. Where I notice a big difference is when we are in a place where there's a lot of traffic sound. So, for example, rush hour in our front yard (vs. the quiet of our backyard): Li playing with a hearing child with traffic sounds = a whole lot of "what?' "I can't hear you!" that the hearing child doesn't seem to be doing. Same with at the ocean.

Lots of voices , group talking is no problem, dealing with the environmental sounds of traffic or waves is very tough.
 
There will always be kids that don't want to wear their hearing aids.

Does your son know sign language?
 
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