Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

[jillio]

Miss more classes due to an illness? Only if the child has a severe illness. What about that article that was posted last year here on AD about a little boy whose CIs got stolen and he couldnt communicate with anyone. He had to stay home from school for 3 or so weeks and as a result, he became very withdrawn into his own shell cuz it was very traumatic not being able to communicate with anyone at all. I think that is just gambling on children's language devleopment to think that they dont need to learn sign language.

I never had a kid miss 3 or so weeks of school straight due to an illness in my 5 years of teaching.

Maybe Colggy missed 3 weeks due to a hangover.

 

[deafskeptic]

Thanks. I'm glad someone else read it the same as me....I was starting to question my sanity!

Lol. Yes, I did agree with Cheri. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[deafskeptic]

Really?!?! I think there is something wrong with me today. slap me please

I owe deafskeptic an apology. I'm sorry. :Oops:

Apology accepted.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I have asked more than once:

If a terp misses a class, there is a back up plan for a child so they do not miss information. That back up plan is in place on the first day of classes.

What is the back up plan for the oral child who relies on CI alone to get information in the classroom in the event that the CI malfunctions? Can't get a substitute CI to take over.

There is a back up plan. It all depends on the parents. In our case, both of my children have 2 processors, the processors themselves rarely are the ones that breakdown but the wires are the ones that have a tendency to break. We have a least 3 of each of the wires. We have batteries everywhere in our cars in all the backpack and in the front office of school. We also have an amazing implant center that if I call them on Monday morning tell them what is wrong, they will see me that day.

My daughter is in water polo and she has an interpeter for that sport and just yesterday an interpeter fail to show and there was no back up plan. This interpreter came from an agency and there was no sub.

 

[Cheri]

My daughter is in water polo and she has an interpreter for that sport and just yesterday an interpreter fail to show and there was no back up plan. This interpreter came from an agency and there was no sub.

That's where most interpreters comes from through an agency. I'm almost positive certain there's more than one agency out there, Have you tried to find other agencies instead of one? Is this swimming part of her school?

What state do you live in?

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Her son did attempt to join this forum, and he was treated with respect and was welcomed. She however, has stated that he has been forbidden to post here or to associate with members of Deaf culture that hold views different from hers. Therefore, the impression that her children are getting is one that is being given to them from her. Perhaps if her children were allowed to experience the same, they would gain a greater understanding just was you have, vallee.

But, as I said, this has nothing to do with her children. It has to do with contradictions within her philosphies and her postings, as well as the propensity to resort to personal attack when she is called on those inconsistencies.

Let's get something straight the only person I have attacked is you Jillo because you were not kind towards me and my children.

What I told my son was that he could not post here because of people like you. Remember the comment you made about his writing skills. Why would I want my children expose to people like you and your negative views. I showed him your post and he agreed.

You are OK with vailee right because she is agreeing with you but the moment she doesn't then there you go with the attack.

 

[vallee]

Cheryl,,

I love this:"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
"The difference between school and life? In school, you're taught a lesson and then given a test. In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson."

that is fantastic.

 

[vallee]

Your words couldnt ring truer! I love my parents but I think they were selfish when it came to not learning ASL especially knowing that my brother was unable to develop any speech skills.

Will they learn ASL now?

 

[rick48]

There is a back up plan. It all depends on the parents. In our case, both of my children have 2 processors, the processors themselves rarely are the ones that breakdown but the wires are the ones that have a tendency to break. We have a least 3 of each of the wires. We have batteries everywhere in our cars in all the backpack and in the front office of school. We also have an amazing implant center that if I call them on Monday morning tell them what is wrong, they will see me that day.

My daughter is in water polo and she has an interpeter for that sport and just yesterday an interpeter fail to show and there was no back up plan. This interpreter came from an agency and there was no sub.

Good points Jackie,

Interesting that some people say that interpreters never not show up or are late. Also they claim that you can also get a back-up interpreter with no problems. Well here's an excerpt from a post by a mother wherein an interpreter failing to show up did indeed happen to her son. Apparently there was no viable back-up plan in place unless you call taking your school district to an adminsitrative hearing and/or relocating to another part of the country a viable back-up plan.

"The school my son was mainstreamed in did not have a separate program for deaf. He was the only deaf student in th elementary school, and it just wasn't a good situation. I finally ended up relocating so he could go to St. Rita School for the Deaf in Cincinnati as a day student. But I had to take the home school district to due process before an administrative law judge before they would agree to send him.

They kept arguing that the Least Restrictive Environment was a mainstream school. I argued that it was most restrictive, because he could not communicate effectively with his teachers or the other students. If his interpreter was sick and didn't show up, he lost a day of classroom instruction. Fortunately, the law judge saw it my way, and ordered the school system to pay his tuition to the deaf school."

Yes, sometimes cis break that is why, like you Jackie, we have a back up processor, wires and coils. Also our implant center has loaner cis that one can use while waiting for a new processor. I just called Cochlear Corp to return a broken processor and they overnighted me the replacement processor first.

Yes, sometimes the internal device fails and one needs to be re-implanted. My daughter's implant failed. The electrodes began shorting out and they could no longer map around them. It started days before 9/11 in NYC and Cochlear was there in NYC right after 9/11 to begin the process of getting her reimplanted. My daughter was out of school only about 10 days around Thanksgiving. We chose then for the re-implant to minimize the amount of time she would miss at school. She had her homework and class notes delivered to her daily, friends stopped by, my wife and I taught her what was going on and when she got back to school, her teachers worked with her to catch up and were understanding. In short, it was no big deal.

Like most things in life, you learn how to deal with the issues and keep moving forward.
Rick

 

[rick48]

Let's get something straight the only person I have attacked is you Jillo because you were not kind towards me and my children.

What I told my son was that he could not post here because of people like you. Remember the comment you made about his writing skills. Why would I want my children expose to people like you and your negative views. I showed him your post and he agreed.

You are OK with vailee right because she is agreeing with you but the moment she doesn't then there you go with the attack.

Way to go Jackie. Something wrong with a person who feels a constant need to put down children. Don't worry about vallee she sees right through jillio and realizes the game she is playing. Remember when she pretended that you and her were buddy buddy, lasted until the next time you disagreed with her. Fuzzy summed her up best: transparent.
Rick

 

[vallee]

You know I miss Fuzzy!

 

[jillio]

There is a back up plan. It all depends on the parents. In our case, both of my children have 2 processors, the processors themselves rarely are the ones that breakdown but the wires are the ones that have a tendency to break. We have a least 3 of each of the wires. We have batteries everywhere in our cars in all the backpack and in the front office of school. We also have an amazing implant center that if I call them on Monday morning tell them what is wrong, they will see me that day.

My daughter is in water polo and she has an interpeter for that sport and just yesterday an interpeter fail to show and there was no back up plan. This interpreter came from an agency and there was no sub.

Agencies that I work with always have someone available PRN.

And I was talking about cases such as the ones cited in the Hands and Voices article wherein the internal portion of the CI suddenly stopped working.

 

[jillio]

Let's get something straight the only person I have attacked is you Jillo because you were not kind towards me and my children.

What I told my son was that he could not post here because of people like you. Remember the comment you made about his writing skills. Why would I want my children expose to people like you and your negative views. I showed him your post and he agreed.

You are OK with vailee right because she is agreeing with you but the moment she doesn't then there you go with the attack.

I have not been unkind in the least, unless provoked by your personal attacks. Did you show your children the posts you have made attacking people on the forum? Have you shown your chidlren the posts you have made full of name calling and false accusation that inspired defensive action?

The only thing I said about his writing skills was that I have seen samples of his writing. You are being overly defensive, which is simply indicative of your many contradictions. Perhaps you know there are errors in his writing that contradict your former claims regarding his writing.

If you were as confident as you claim in your children and their ability to critically analyze information, negative views would not treaten you to the point that you attempt to prevent your children from being exposed to such.

 

[jillio]

Good points Jackie,

Interesting that some people say that interpreters never not show up or are late. Also they claim that you can also get a back-up interpreter with no problems. Well here's an excerpt from a post by a mother wherein an interpreter failing to show up did indeed happen to her son. Apparently there was no viable back-up plan in place unless you call taking your school district to an adminsitrative hearing and/or relocating to another part of the country a viable back-up plan.

"The school my son was mainstreamed in did not have a separate program for deaf. He was the only deaf student in th elementary school, and it just wasn't a good situation. I finally ended up relocating so he could go to St. Rita School for the Deaf in Cincinnati as a day student. But I had to take the home school district to due process before an administrative law judge before they would agree to send him.

They kept arguing that the Least Restrictive Environment was a mainstream school. I argued that it was most restrictive, because he could not communicate effectively with his teachers or the other students. If his interpreter was sick and didn't show up, he lost a day of classroom instruction. Fortunately, the law judge saw it my way, and ordered the school system to pay his tuition to the deaf school."

Yes, sometimes cis break that is why, like you Jackie, we have a back up processor, wires and coils. Also our implant center has loaner cis that one can use while waiting for a new processor. I just called Cochlear Corp to return a broken processor and they overnighted me the replacement processor first.

Yes, sometimes the internal device fails and one needs to be re-implanted. My daughter's implant failed. The electrodes began shorting out and they could no longer map around them. It started days before 9/11 in NYC and Cochlear was there in NYC right after 9/11 to begin the process of getting her reimplanted. My daughter was out of school only about 10 days around Thanksgiving. We chose then for the re-implant to minimize the amount of time she would miss at school. She had her homework and class notes delivered to her daily, friends stopped by, my wife and I taught her what was going on and when she got back to school, her teachers worked with her to catch up and were understanding. In short, it was no big deal.

Like most things in life, you learn how to deal with the issues and keep moving forward.
Rick

Total misreprentation. This was not a case of a terp not showing up. It is a case of the school system refusing to provide a terp, and being taken to due process. Quite a different situation.

 

[jillio]

Way to go Jackie. Something wrong with a person who feels a constant need to put down children. Don't worry about vallee she sees right through jillio and realizes the game she is playing. Remember when she pretended that you and her were buddy buddy, lasted until the next time you disagreed with her. Fuzzy summed her up best: transparent.
Rick

You seem to be quite adept at speaking for others. And I might remind you once again, Fuzzy was banned for the tactics you are now attempting to engage in. Didn't learn your lesson?

This isn't a ball game, rick. Stop trying to divvy up sides. You immaturity is hanging out in public again.

 

[jillio]

You know I miss Fuzzy!

OMG!

 

[Cheri]

Interesting that some people say that interpreters never not show up or are late. Also they claim that you can also get a back-up interpreter with no problems.

Interpreters do sometimes show up late, I'll say 15 minutes late, but they always call to informed the parties in advance. If an interpreter is a no show, It wasn't the interpreter's fault. I'm deaf and you're not Rick, You don't even know how the system works.

Well here's an excerpt from a post by a mother wherein an interpreter failing to show up did indeed happen to her son.

If it did happened to her son, it wasn't the fault of the interpreters, it's the fault of the school. the school should always have at least 3 or 4 hired interpreters.

Deaf people are entitled to an interpreter at all appointments, even all interpreters would say that because they know the ADA Law. They know it is important to meet the needs of the deaf.

I found this article which you should read.

Kim Lamb • LVN photo Joy Bergreen-Steiger is one of three sign-language interpreters employed by the Churchill County School District.
"We have to have more classes so we can give equal access to these kids," Frank said. "We cannot continue to send kids to school without any language at all."
Interpreter, education help local deaf student succeed

 

[deafdyke]

There are many CI users that still require sign language interpreters

As well as CI users who require oral 'terps, or oral accomondations. Rick and Jackie, you haven't answered why a Sign 'terp creates "dependancy", and yet using oral 'terps and oral accomondations don't.
And yes, rick and jackie, depedance on a service provider isn't the best thing in the world..........but we're just saying that dhh kids should have the CHOICE, and OPTION to utilize a 'terp. We're not saying it should be the ONLY option. Very few of us Deafies are pro-seperatist. You know.....It's ironic. There are a TON of ex-oral only folks who post here,(after all oral only is NOT NEW. It has been around for over a hundred years!) Yet where are the ex Sign folks who are now pro oral only? And I'm NOT talking about those folks who are pro oral after growing up with sign b/c they think that sign only is responsible for the low acheivement of the dhh world. (that's a very superfical way of looking at it, since the low acheivement levels are due to a whole BUNCH of causes)
Besides, oral only is very dependant on things like good technology, people who are good speakers (there are people who I can "hear" even without speechreading at ALL, but then again there are people with soft voices and things like that who I can't hear too well, even when they look right at me) good technology etc.
Hey Jackie.........................I have a question. What if your daughter's C-Print captionist didn't show up? It's exactly the same circumstance. Wouldn't she be in the same sitution b/c she can't function as well without the C-Print?

 

[flip]

Why does oralists keep on ignoring questions? I see the bi-bi people here replying questions all the time. It's hard to understand oralists when they don't reply.

A suggestion is to make a list of questions that haven't been replied. If they don't want to reply a specific question, they could explain why they do not want to reply it?

 

[deafskeptic]

The only thing I said about his writing skills was that I have seen samples of his writing. You are being overly defensive, which is simply indicative of your many contradictions. Perhaps you know there are errors in his writing that contradict your former claims regarding his writing.

When you wrote that, I wondered if his writing is above average or below average compared to his hearing peers. I have no way of knowing that from your comment.

I think Jackie overreacted to your comment. The other readers have no way of knowing if you think his writing is above average or below average.

In short, your comment was a neutral one.