Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

Cheri said:
That's one big lie, if someone is gonna sit here and lie, I refused to take in a lie. I know for matter of fact interpreters who weren't showed up is not the fault of the interpreters, it's the fault of the people who works in court, or in the doctor's office or at the board of education who refused to provide an interpreter for the deaf. There are many of them who refused to follow the laws, our rights to have an interpreter.

Government agencies may need to provide a qualified interpreter when requested by the deaf consumer. It is your responsibility, as a consumer, to ask for an interpreter before the appointment. You are not responsible for the interpreter's bill. The agency must pay the fees.

If you need to go to court, you must call the court and ask for an interpreter who is certified. The cost of the interpreter cannot be added to any court costs.

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Exactly, Cheri. And, I might also remind everyone here, that there are many CI users that still require sign language interpreters for these situations as well as classroom situations.
 
Cheri said:
That's one big lie, if someone is gonna sit here and lie, I refused to take in a lie. I know for matter of fact interpreters who weren't showed up is not the fault of the interpreters, it's the fault of the people who works in court, or in the doctor's office or at the board of education who refused to provide an interpreter for the deaf. There are many of them who refused to follow the laws, our rights to have an interpreter.

Government agencies may need to provide a qualified interpreter when requested by the deaf consumer. It is your responsibility, as a consumer, to ask for an interpreter before the appointment. You are not responsible for the interpreter's bill. The agency must pay the fees.

If you need to go to court, you must call the court and ask for an interpreter who is certified. The cost of the interpreter cannot be added to any court costs.

Rights of Deaf And Hard of Hearing Under the Americans With Disabilities Act
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If you don't believe Cheri, I suggest you have a look at this thread.
 
deafskeptic said:
If you don't believe Cheri, I suggest you have a look at this thread.
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:confused:

I believe that you misunderstood my first post. The person who wrote the one Cloggy linked is basically taking the blame on interpreters for not showing up, It's not that it is the interpreter's fault to begin with. It's the doctor's, schools, court, hospitals are at fault for not providing an interpreter for the deaf. That's what I'm saying. If someone is looking for someone to blame, they should take their blame to the schools, courts, doctor's offices, hospitals for not following the ADA law. ;)

The thread you linked me is that Lucia was not provided an interpreter to her doctor appointment, because nobody called in to scheduled an interpreter for her. (which meaning they refused to provide her one)
 
Cheri said:
:confused:

I believe that you misunderstood my first post. The person who wrote the one Cloggy linked is basically taking the blame on interpreters for not showing up, It's not that it is the interpreter's fault to begin with. It's the doctor's, schools, court, hospitals are at fault for not providing an interpreter for the deaf. That's what I'm saying. If someone is looking for someone to blame, they should take their blame to the schools, courts, doctor's offices, hospitals for not following the ADA law. ;)

The thread you linked me is that Lucia was not provided an interpreter to her doctor appointment, because nobody called in to scheduled an interpreter for her. (which meaning they refused to provide her one)
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I think that deafskeptic was agreeing with you, Cheri.
 
Hangover? Back up for that? Hahaha, last I remember, that would be under PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
 
Cloggy said:
Yeh, sometimes. I haven't met those people yet. Not here.

Sometimes it is parents that do not take the responsibility and do not make a decision, but are letting the child decide....
How selfish is that?

And then there are the parents that look around, investigate, make the best decision for the child, and work with the child to get the best results....
These parents I see here....
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Not those deaf people themselves. The parents of some of those deaf AD members. My own family don't sign. When I won't be able to read lips anymore, how the heck they are going to communicate with me???? Now that is selfish.

It is far easier for a hearing person to learn sign language then a prelingually deaf to learn to speak. In my time, it is the hearing parents who decided that the deaf child is to learn to speak and no sign language is allowed. Nevermind if the kid missed out a good part of their education because he/she couldn't undertand the teacher 100% of the times. That is selfish, too.

Nowadays, the parents who decided on CI/no sign language for their deaf child nevermind if the CI never works/fail later on. The child is not going to have a back up plan at all. Now that is selfish.

If the parents did the reseach and found that CI is not the miracle and decided to go with sign language. Lot of them go with hearing aid(s) rather than CI. Maybe the child would want CI when he/she became an adult. The child is getting 100% of what the teacher said. How is that selfish???? I don't find it selfish at all.
 
Buffalo said:
Not those deaf people themselves. The parents of some of those deaf AD members. My own family don't sign. When I won't be able to read lips anymore, how the heck they are going to communicate with me???? Now that is selfish.

It is far easier for a hearing person to learn sign language then a prelingually deaf to learn to speak. In my time, it is the hearing parents who decided that the deaf child is to learn to speak and no sign language is allowed. Nevermind if the kid missed out a good part of their education because he/she couldn't undertand the teacher 100% of the times. That is selfish, too.

Nowadays, the parents who decided on CI/no sign language for their deaf child nevermind if the CI never works/fail later on. The child is not going to have a back up plan at all. Now that is selfish.

If the parents did the reseach and found that CI is not the miracle and decided to go with sign language. Lot of them go with hearing aid(s) rather than CI. Maybe the child would want CI when he/she became an adult. The child is getting 100% of what the teacher said. How is that selfish???? I don't find it selfish at all.
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:gpost: I also asked for an explanation on how that would be considered selfish, but have yet to receive an answer.
 
Buffalo said:
Agreed. deafskeptic was addressing to the ADers who don't believe Cheri's post.
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Really?!?! I think there is something wrong with me today. slap me please :dizzy:

I owe deafskeptic an apology. I'm sorry. :Oops:
 
Buffalo said:
Not those deaf people themselves. The parents of some of those deaf AD members. My own family don't sign. When I won't be able to read lips anymore, how the heck they are going to communicate with me???? Now that is selfish.

It is far easier for a hearing person to learn sign language then a prelingually deaf to learn to speak. In my time, it is the hearing parents who decided that the deaf child is to learn to speak and no sign language is allowed. Nevermind if the kid missed out a good part of their education because he/she couldn't undertand the teacher 100% of the times. That is selfish, too.

Nowadays, the parents who decided on CI/no sign language for their deaf child nevermind if the CI never works/fail later on. The child is not going to have a back up plan at all. Now that is selfish.

If the parents did the reseach and found that CI is not the miracle and decided to go with sign language. Lot of them go with hearing aid(s) rather than CI. Maybe the child would want CI when he/she became an adult. The child is getting 100% of what the teacher said. How is that selfish???? I don't find it selfish at all.
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Your words couldnt ring truer! I love my parents but I think they were selfish when it came to not learning ASL especially knowing that my brother was unable to develop any speech skills.
 
Cloggy said:
Malfunction....??
Put in new batteries. Or only use 1 CI instead of both.
But malfunctions .... like what....??
My guess is that the student will miss more classes due to illness and/or (at later age) a hangover than due to a CI-malfunction..

And from someone who knows her shit:


What backup did you have when you had a hangover the morning you had to go to class??
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Miss more classes due to an illness? Only if the child has a severe illness. What about that article that was posted last year here on AD about a little boy whose CIs got stolen and he couldnt communicate with anyone. He had to stay home from school for 3 or so weeks and as a result, he became very withdrawn into his own shell cuz it was very traumatic not being able to communicate with anyone at all. I think that is just gambling on children's language devleopment to think that they dont need to learn sign language.

I never had a kid miss 3 or so weeks of school straight due to an illness in my 5 years of teaching.
 
Nowadays, the parents who decided on CI/no sign language for their deaf child nevermind if the CI never works/fail later on. The child is not going to have a back up plan at all. Now that is selfish.
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Not to mention that oral only's sucess is dependant on if a kid can sucessfully master speech.
 
deafdyke said:
Not to mention that oral only's sucess is dependant on if a kid can sucessfully master speech.
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Even if the kid successfully masters speech, there is still the issue of receptive language or input. I dont see how a deaf kid can successfully rely on his/her weakness sense in a classroom full of 30 plus hearing kids especially if there is a whole class discussion going on. I mastered speech but mastering receptive or auditory input to gain access to everything being said was near impossilbe in a large group and all of my classes were large. I couldnt never understand the justification for that.
 
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