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Now, that's so depressing. 
this thread as soon as possible!
this thread as soon as possible!
Abortion Doctor Shot Dead
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Now, that's so depressing.
Why? Ifit bothers u, don't participate in it.
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Uh...I asked for reliable, verifiable numbers. "Estimated" doesn't count. And you left out 1/2 of the equation. If you are going to compare and contrast, you need 2 sets of numbers.
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Now, that's so depressing.
Simple, ignore this thread and hug a bear.
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Profile: George Tiller
To some anti-abortionists George Tiller, who was shot dead on Sunday, was a mass murderer known as "Tiller the Killer". To his patients and many pro-choice supporters, he was a hero committed to women in need of help.
For two decades, Dr Tiller spent his life looking over his shoulder. He had become a lightning rod for anti-abortion activists and in 1993 survived an attempt on his life.
He rarely talked about his work for fear of attacks against himself or his family.
Dr Tiller's clinic was one of three in the US that offered late-term abortions - those that are performed on foetuses that could survive outside the mother's womb.
He had acknowledged that abortion was as socially divisive as slavery, but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that could diagnose severe foetal abnormalities.
For decades, his clinic in Wichita, Kansas was besieged by protesters, some carrying signs, others carrying bibles.
'Family support'
Speaking in court earlier this year after being charged with performing 19 illegal abortions, he told a jury why he continued his work despite the opposition.
Dr Tiller survived at attempt on his life iin 1993
"Quit is not something I like to do," he said. He said he firmly believed his patients needed him and that he had the "strong support of his family".
Dr Tiller outlined a conversation he had had with his daughters - two of whom are physicians - in which he said the importance of his work was crystallised.
"My daughters came into my study," he said. "I was reading. And they said, 'Daddy, if not now, when? If not you, who? Who is going to stand up for women with unexpected and badly damaged babies?' I had the support of my family, and we were able to proceed ahead."
Kansas restricts abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy, except where the mother's health would be seriously harmed if the pregnancy continued.
Doctors are required to consult an independent physician before performing an abortion after the 22nd week of pregnancy.
The case raised questions about whether Dr Tiller had been too closely linked to a doctor from whom he sought second opinions.
He was acquitted in the case.
Dr Tiller had reported aborting more than 2,600 viable foetuses since the second-opinion law took effect in 1998.
He faced a number of other legal challenges, including two separate grand jury investigations. Both ended without charges.
In one, in 2005, anti-abortion activists had circulated petitions to force a grand jury investigation into the treatment of a 19-year-old mentally disabled patient who died of complications from an early-third-trimester abortion at Dr Tiller's clinic.
Late-term
Dr Tiller was shot in the lobby of the church, reports say
According to his website - which was removed after his death - Dr Tiller graduated from the University of Kansas School of Medicine in 1967.
He served his internship at the US Naval Hospital at Camp Pendleton, California, and worked as a flight surgeon for the Navy until 1970.
He began practising in Wichita that year, specialising in family medicine. He inherited his father's practice after his parents were killed in an accident.
Anti-abortion activists claimed Dr Tiller was performing late-term abortions for relatively minor foetal abnormalities.
He has acknowledged performing abortions on some late-term patients with healthy foetuses.
Reportedly among them were girls as young as 10, rape victims, alcoholics, drug addicts, and women who were suicidal or depressed. Some anti-abortionists, however, questioned his criteria for diagnosing depression.
In the early 1990s, Dr Tiller bought a second clinic in Wichita and tried to acquire a third. This, along with the reduction of fees for a first-trimester abortion, further antagonised abortion foes.
It even caused dismay among some abortion-rights supporters, who criticised him for seeking to create a monopoly.
In 1991, anti-abortion activists launched a massive protest - known as Operation Rescue - against his clinic. It lasted more than six weeks and resulted in about 2,800 arrests.
In 1993, Dr Tiller was shot in both arms outside his clinic. The incident came five months after the shooting of another abortion doctor.
His clinic was subsequently heavily fortified and Dr Tiller was often forced to travel with a bodyguard.
Recently, President Barack Obama's choice for health secretary, former Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius, was been widely condemned by the anti-abortion movement because she had received campaign money from Dr Tiller.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Profile: George Tiller
To some anti-abortionists George Tiller, who was shot dead on Sunday, was a mass murderer known as "Tiller the Killer". To his patients and many pro-choice supporters, he was a hero committed to women in need of help.
For two decades, Dr Tiller spent his life looking over his shoulder. He had become a lightning rod for anti-abortion activists and in 1993 survived an attempt on his life.
He rarely talked about his work for fear of attacks against himself or his family.
Dr Tiller's clinic was one of three in the US that offered late-term abortions - those that are performed on foetuses that could survive outside the mother's womb.
He had acknowledged that abortion was as socially divisive as slavery, but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that could diagnose severe foetal abnormalities.
For decades, his clinic in Wichita, Kansas was besieged by protesters, some carrying signs, others carrying bibles.
'Family support'
Speaking in court earlier this year after being charged with performing 19 illegal abortions, he told a jury why he continued his work despite the opposition.
Dr Tiller survived at attempt on his life iin 1993
"Quit is not something I like to do," he said. He said he firmly believed his patients needed him and that he had the "strong support of his family".
Dr Tiller outlined a conversation he had had with his daughters - two of whom are physicians - in which he said the importance of his work was crystallised.
"My daughters came into my study," he said. "I was reading. And they said, 'Daddy, if not now, when? If not you, who? Who is going to stand up for women with unexpected and badly damaged babies?' I had the support of my family, and we were able to proceed ahead."
Kansas restricts abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy, except where the mother's health would be seriously harmed if the pregnancy continued.
Doctors are required to consult an independent physician before performing an abortion after the 22nd week of pregnancy.
The case raised questions about whether Dr Tiller had been too closely linked to a doctor from whom he sought second opinions.
He was acquitted in the case.
Dr Tiller had reported aborting more than 2,600 viable foetuses since the second-opinion law took effect in 1998.
He faced a number of other legal challenges, including two separate grand jury investigations. Both ended without charges.
In one, in 2005, anti-abortion activists had circulated petitions to force a grand jury investigation into the treatment of a 19-year-old mentally disabled patient who died of complications from an early-third-trimester abortion at Dr Tiller's clinic.
Late-term
Dr Tiller was shot in the lobby of the church, reports say
According to his website - which was removed after his death - Dr Tiller graduated from the University of Kansas School of Medicine in 1967.
He served his internship at the US Naval Hospital at Camp Pendleton, California, and worked as a flight surgeon for the Navy until 1970.
He began practising in Wichita that year, specialising in family medicine. He inherited his father's practice after his parents were killed in an accident.
Anti-abortion activists claimed Dr Tiller was performing late-term abortions for relatively minor foetal abnormalities.
He has acknowledged performing abortions on some late-term patients with healthy foetuses.
Reportedly among them were girls as young as 10, rape victims, alcoholics, drug addicts, and women who were suicidal or depressed. Some anti-abortionists, however, questioned his criteria for diagnosing depression.
In the early 1990s, Dr Tiller bought a second clinic in Wichita and tried to acquire a third. This, along with the reduction of fees for a first-trimester abortion, further antagonised abortion foes.
It even caused dismay among some abortion-rights supporters, who criticised him for seeking to create a monopoly.
In 1991, anti-abortion activists launched a massive protest - known as Operation Rescue - against his clinic. It lasted more than six weeks and resulted in about 2,800 arrests.
In 1993, Dr Tiller was shot in both arms outside his clinic. The incident came five months after the shooting of another abortion doctor.
His clinic was subsequently heavily fortified and Dr Tiller was often forced to travel with a bodyguard.
Recently, President Barack Obama's choice for health secretary, former Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius, was been widely condemned by the anti-abortion movement because she had received campaign money from Dr Tiller.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Profile: George Tiller
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Doctor refused to quit: ‘I know they need me’
George Tiller knew he had chosen a dangerous career
To some he was an unflinching hero, to others a remorseless villain. As a late-term abortion doctor, George Tiller knew he had chosen a dangerous career, one that made him a lightning rod. His clinic was a fortress, his days marred by threats, but he refused to give up what he saw as his life's mission.
"He never wavered," says Susie Gilligan, who knew Tiller as part of her work in the Feminist Majority Foundation. "He never backed away. He had incredible strength. When you spoke to him, he was a soft-spoken man, a very gentle man. He said, 'This is what I have to do. Women need me. I know they need me.'"
Tiller, 67, whose Wichita, Kansas, clinic had been the target of anti-abortion protests for more than two decades, was fatally shot Sunday while serving as an usher at his church. The suspect, identified by police as Scott Roeder, was taken into custody three hours later on suspicion of murder.
As one of a few doctors across the nation to perform third-trimester abortions, Tiller had survived an earlier shooting, his clinic was bombed, his home picketed. He hired a Brink's armored truck to take him to work for several weeks, he had federal marshals protecting him for 30 months. He built a new surgical center without windows and he was known to wear a bulletproof vest, sometimes even to church.
Through it all, he stood defiant.
Unbowed through protests, violence
When a pipe bomb heavily damaged his clinic in the mid 1980s, he hung a sign outside the rubble saying: "Hell, No. We Won't Go!" He offered a $10,000 award — which was never collected.
When thousands of protesters gathered at the Women's Health Care Services clinic in 1991 for the 45-day "Summer of Mercy" demonstration staged by Operation Rescue, he was again unbowed.
"I am a willing participant in this conflict," he said at the time. "I choose to be here because I feel that it is the moral, it is the ethical thing to do."
He told The Wichita Eagle newspaper in 1991 that prayer and meditation helped him through hard times. "If I'm OK on the inside," he said, "what people say on the outside does not make much difference."
When a woman passing out anti-abortion literature shot him in both arms outside the clinic two years later, he briefly pursued her by car, recalls Peggy Bowman, his former spokeswoman. "He didn't even know he was shot and all of a sudden he saw this blood (and figured), 'I probably shouldn't spend my time chasing this woman,'" she says.
Tiller suffered minor wounds — and was back at the clinic the next day. (That's when he hired the armored truck.)
This spring, Tiller was acquitted of misdemeanor charges of violating Kansas restrictions on late-term abortions. Shortly after, the state's medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that were nearly identical to those a jury had rejected.
Foe: 'He reaped what he sowed'
Tiller's outspokenness rankled his critics, who decried as a publicity stunt his offer several years ago to provide free abortions on the anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. He said at the time at least 32 low-income women signed up for the free first-trimester abortions.
Abortion opponents also claimed Tiller's large financial involvement in Kansas politics thwarted prosecutions against him. They routinely blamed Tiller's "corrupt influences in the government" whenever legislation strengthening state abortion laws failed to pass the Legislature or was vetoed by the governor.
While anti-abortion activists have condemned Tiller's death, Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue — who also said the gunman was wrong — told the National Press Club on Monday the doctor was "a mass murderer and, horrifically, he reaped what he sowed."
Tiller, a former Navy flight surgeon, hadn't planned to be an abortion doctor. He hoped to become a dermatologist.
But when his father, also a doctor, died in a plane crash (his mother, sister and brother-in-law also were killed), he took over the family practice. He soon learned the elder Tiller had performed abortions.
"In reading through some of his records, he realized his father had done abortions when they were illegal," says Bowman, his former spokeswoman. "At first, he was really shocked. Then in going through those charts, he totally began to understand the importance of this service."
Friends and colleagues say Tiller, a father of four and grandfather of 10, was a strong-willed, unassuming man who was quick with a hug or a joke. He decorated his office with family photos. He cherished rituals; he raised American flags in his clinic parking lot after the 1991 protests were over and later gave them to volunteers.
"He was never riled, he was always calm and cool," says Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation. "He was a very serious man, but a very good-natured one."
In a 2008 speech to a young women's leadership conference sponsored by the foundation, he said he was on a hit list in 1994, leading to federal protection. His wife was stalked, he said, and the names of his vendors were made public on the Internet.
"But the good news," he said, "is we still live in the United States of America" and Roe vs. Wade allows women the opportunity to terminate pregnancies.
Slain abortion doctor: ?They need me? - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
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Read 2 long pages article.
George Tiller knew he had chosen a dangerous career
To some he was an unflinching hero, to others a remorseless villain. As a late-term abortion doctor, George Tiller knew he had chosen a dangerous career, one that made him a lightning rod. His clinic was a fortress, his days marred by threats, but he refused to give up what he saw as his life's mission.
"He never wavered," says Susie Gilligan, who knew Tiller as part of her work in the Feminist Majority Foundation. "He never backed away. He had incredible strength. When you spoke to him, he was a soft-spoken man, a very gentle man. He said, 'This is what I have to do. Women need me. I know they need me.'"
Tiller, 67, whose Wichita, Kansas, clinic had been the target of anti-abortion protests for more than two decades, was fatally shot Sunday while serving as an usher at his church. The suspect, identified by police as Scott Roeder, was taken into custody three hours later on suspicion of murder.
As one of a few doctors across the nation to perform third-trimester abortions, Tiller had survived an earlier shooting, his clinic was bombed, his home picketed. He hired a Brink's armored truck to take him to work for several weeks, he had federal marshals protecting him for 30 months. He built a new surgical center without windows and he was known to wear a bulletproof vest, sometimes even to church.
Through it all, he stood defiant.
Unbowed through protests, violence
When a pipe bomb heavily damaged his clinic in the mid 1980s, he hung a sign outside the rubble saying: "Hell, No. We Won't Go!" He offered a $10,000 award — which was never collected.
When thousands of protesters gathered at the Women's Health Care Services clinic in 1991 for the 45-day "Summer of Mercy" demonstration staged by Operation Rescue, he was again unbowed.
"I am a willing participant in this conflict," he said at the time. "I choose to be here because I feel that it is the moral, it is the ethical thing to do."
He told The Wichita Eagle newspaper in 1991 that prayer and meditation helped him through hard times. "If I'm OK on the inside," he said, "what people say on the outside does not make much difference."
When a woman passing out anti-abortion literature shot him in both arms outside the clinic two years later, he briefly pursued her by car, recalls Peggy Bowman, his former spokeswoman. "He didn't even know he was shot and all of a sudden he saw this blood (and figured), 'I probably shouldn't spend my time chasing this woman,'" she says.
Tiller suffered minor wounds — and was back at the clinic the next day. (That's when he hired the armored truck.)
This spring, Tiller was acquitted of misdemeanor charges of violating Kansas restrictions on late-term abortions. Shortly after, the state's medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that were nearly identical to those a jury had rejected.
Foe: 'He reaped what he sowed'
Tiller's outspokenness rankled his critics, who decried as a publicity stunt his offer several years ago to provide free abortions on the anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. He said at the time at least 32 low-income women signed up for the free first-trimester abortions.
Abortion opponents also claimed Tiller's large financial involvement in Kansas politics thwarted prosecutions against him. They routinely blamed Tiller's "corrupt influences in the government" whenever legislation strengthening state abortion laws failed to pass the Legislature or was vetoed by the governor.
While anti-abortion activists have condemned Tiller's death, Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue — who also said the gunman was wrong — told the National Press Club on Monday the doctor was "a mass murderer and, horrifically, he reaped what he sowed."
Tiller, a former Navy flight surgeon, hadn't planned to be an abortion doctor. He hoped to become a dermatologist.
But when his father, also a doctor, died in a plane crash (his mother, sister and brother-in-law also were killed), he took over the family practice. He soon learned the elder Tiller had performed abortions.
"In reading through some of his records, he realized his father had done abortions when they were illegal," says Bowman, his former spokeswoman. "At first, he was really shocked. Then in going through those charts, he totally began to understand the importance of this service."
Friends and colleagues say Tiller, a father of four and grandfather of 10, was a strong-willed, unassuming man who was quick with a hug or a joke. He decorated his office with family photos. He cherished rituals; he raised American flags in his clinic parking lot after the 1991 protests were over and later gave them to volunteers.
"He was never riled, he was always calm and cool," says Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation. "He was a very serious man, but a very good-natured one."
In a 2008 speech to a young women's leadership conference sponsored by the foundation, he said he was on a hit list in 1994, leading to federal protection. His wife was stalked, he said, and the names of his vendors were made public on the Internet.
"But the good news," he said, "is we still live in the United States of America" and Roe vs. Wade allows women the opportunity to terminate pregnancies.
Slain abortion doctor: ?They need me? - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
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Read 2 long pages article.
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Work takes a toll
Dr. Susan Robinson, a California obstetrician-gynecologist who calls Tiller her mentor, recalls one day when she asked him: "How can you stand it being in a pressure cooker?' He said, 'If it it's none of my business, I don't get involved. If it doesn't matter, I don't get involved. If there's nothing I can do about it, I don't get involved.' "
But it was clear his work had taken a toll. Willow Eby, who worked as a volunteer escort at the clinic, remembers a conference she attended last year for abortion providers where he talked about his work.
"He explained that this would take your youth, it would take your energy, it would wear you down," she recalls. "But he said he would not let down the women who needed him badly."
Tiller once said his "gifts of understanding" helped him bring a service to women that aided them in fulfilling their dreams of a happy, healthy family. It was important, he said, that women have a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.
"Prenatal testing without prenatal choices is medical fraud," he declared.
Suspect raged against abortion
Colleagues said Tiller's office walls were lined with letters from patients expressing their thanks.
One woman who turned to him was Miriam Kleiman, of northern Virginia. Nine years ago, a routine sonogram revealed her 29-week-old fetus had major brain abnormalities that prevented the baby's heart and lungs from functioning properly.
Roeder charged
June 2: A portrait of the man accused of shooting abortion doctor George Tiller, emerged from interviews with family and law enforcement officials.
Doctors told her the baby would die in utero or soon after birth. Kleiman's doctors told her a third trimester abortion was not possible.
Kleiman says she could not bear a two-month death watch. "There was a baby dying inside of me, and it wasn't if, but when," she says.
After desperate pleas, she says, a doctor scribbled Tiller's name on a scrap of paper. She and her husband flew to Wichita and drove through a gauntlet of protesters to the fortress-like clinic.
She remembers Tiller and his staff as kind and compassionate. She had the abortion and brought home her baby to be buried.
Kleiman, who now has two sons, says she cried when she heard of Tiller's death while watching her son's soccer game.
"I fear," she says, "that other people might not have this option in the future — to have a medical option that was safe, that was legal and allowed us to say goodbye with dignity."
Slain abortion doctor: ?They need me? - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
See bond...
It´s sad to read 2 long pages article.
Dr. Susan Robinson, a California obstetrician-gynecologist who calls Tiller her mentor, recalls one day when she asked him: "How can you stand it being in a pressure cooker?' He said, 'If it it's none of my business, I don't get involved. If it doesn't matter, I don't get involved. If there's nothing I can do about it, I don't get involved.' "
But it was clear his work had taken a toll. Willow Eby, who worked as a volunteer escort at the clinic, remembers a conference she attended last year for abortion providers where he talked about his work.
"He explained that this would take your youth, it would take your energy, it would wear you down," she recalls. "But he said he would not let down the women who needed him badly."
Tiller once said his "gifts of understanding" helped him bring a service to women that aided them in fulfilling their dreams of a happy, healthy family. It was important, he said, that women have a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.
"Prenatal testing without prenatal choices is medical fraud," he declared.
Suspect raged against abortion
Colleagues said Tiller's office walls were lined with letters from patients expressing their thanks.
One woman who turned to him was Miriam Kleiman, of northern Virginia. Nine years ago, a routine sonogram revealed her 29-week-old fetus had major brain abnormalities that prevented the baby's heart and lungs from functioning properly.
Roeder charged
June 2: A portrait of the man accused of shooting abortion doctor George Tiller, emerged from interviews with family and law enforcement officials.
Doctors told her the baby would die in utero or soon after birth. Kleiman's doctors told her a third trimester abortion was not possible.
Kleiman says she could not bear a two-month death watch. "There was a baby dying inside of me, and it wasn't if, but when," she says.
After desperate pleas, she says, a doctor scribbled Tiller's name on a scrap of paper. She and her husband flew to Wichita and drove through a gauntlet of protesters to the fortress-like clinic.
She remembers Tiller and his staff as kind and compassionate. She had the abortion and brought home her baby to be buried.
Kleiman, who now has two sons, says she cried when she heard of Tiller's death while watching her son's soccer game.
"I fear," she says, "that other people might not have this option in the future — to have a medical option that was safe, that was legal and allowed us to say goodbye with dignity."
Slain abortion doctor: ?They need me? - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
See bond...
It´s sad to read 2 long pages article.
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don't see bond anywhere, he does't resemble 007 in anyway whatsoeverSee bond...
It´s sad to read 2 long pages article.
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Shel & PowerON, hi there.
Cos I don't want to see anybody get heat up, in a fight, feel upset and hurt, flame wars, a such ugly thing, and so on. Just like you, me, and we had seen it before - like those countless "life vs. choice" threads. That's really depressing...
I hope this thead don't get ugly or... not even the worse!
Cos I don't want to see anybody get heat up, in a fight, feel upset and hurt, flame wars, a such ugly thing, and so on. Just like you, me, and we had seen it before - like those countless "life vs. choice" threads. That's really depressing...
I hope this thead don't get ugly or... not even the worse!
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I made thick black bond to get Aders important attention about the mother´s abortion experience.
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Thanks for the artilce news, Liebling.
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I made thick black bond to get Aders important attention about the mother´s abortion experience.
bold was the word you were looking for. black bold font.
it was just me being goofy. you mention bond. i thought James Bond 007
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bold was the word you were looking for. black bold font.
it was just me being goofy. you mention bond. i thought James Bond 007
Oooops my misspelling...
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updates:
Slaying suspect 'obsessed' with Kansas doctor, ex-roommate says
Slaying suspect 'obsessed' with Kansas doctor, ex-roommate says - CNN.com
that lots of money for bails!! $5 million!!
Slaying suspect 'obsessed' with Kansas doctor, ex-roommate says
Slaying suspect 'obsessed' with Kansas doctor, ex-roommate says - CNN.com
that lots of money for bails!! $5 million!!
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He is accused of cold blooded murder and has a criminal record.
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i agrees it but im rather not enough for money that crap!!