Abortion Doctor Shot Dead

jillio said:
This murderer most certainly did murder a doctor on nothing more than emotion. A belief system that is based on nothing but emotion.

You can hardly compare a war, and I assume that is what you are referring to, between 2 countries to a zealot that attempts to force their brand of belief on all in this country, to the point that they commit murder simply to illustrate their view.:roll:
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I'm sorry for not conveying what I'm trying to tell you-it was a believe not an emotion. If he had regretts after the shooting, then it would be considered an act of emotion. I have not heard yet that he regretted what was done. Correct me if I'm wrong-emotions are temporary feelings-correct? Acting on an emotion is like you punching somebody beause they called you a name? A belief is something that is what makes you, well, you?
 
What bothers is that pro-lifers don't get it - it is NOT their fetus at all and it's a woman's RIGHT to decide what she'll do. If she wants to terminate, that's her right. If she wants to keep it, that's her right.

Kokonut, as usual, you are just sprouting non-sense. You cannot be pro-choice if you force a woman to have an abortion. It's anti-choice, the VERY same philosophy that you practice with women being denied the right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.

Being pro-choice is about giving a woman the choices she can have, not forcing choices on her. Think about all the unwanted pregnancies and mothers who are seriously burdened with having kids just because they did NOT want them in the first place. I know a few women and they're miserable - they take medications to treat their depression and often exhibit chronic stress.

It's a matter of choice on HOW you value life of a fetus but you have no right to impose that on a woman who's deciding that her fetus has no value whatsoever and should be ended.
 
netrox said:
What bothers is that pro-lifers don't get it - it is NOT their fetus at all and it's a woman's RIGHT to decide what she'll do. If she wants to terminate, that's her right. If she wants to keep it, that's her right.

Kokonut, as usual, you are just sprouting non-sense. You cannot be pro-choice if you force a woman to have an abortion. It's anti-choice, the VERY same philosophy that you practice with women being denied the right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.

Being pro-choice is about giving a woman the choices she can have, not forcing choices on her. Think about all the unwanted pregnancies and mothers who are seriously burdened with having kids just because they did NOT want them in the first place. I know a few women and they're miserable - they take medications to treat their depression and often exhibit chronic stress.

It's a matter of choice on HOW you value life of a fetus but you have no right to impose that on a woman who's deciding that her fetus has no value whatsoever and should be ended.
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:gpost:
 
cdaigle430 said:
I wish you pro-choicers could put yourself in pro-lifers shoes, if you really believe that abortion is murder how can you stand by knowing this is being done every day? To them this is pure agony and torture. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't mean it's right. For them you have to do something even if it means taking a life to prevent it. If killing a late stage fetus is truly, truly not murder then prove it 100% with no doubt whatsoever. Yes I am pro-life, no I am not pro-life because of religion, I am not religious, I can't see taking a life period and I can't stand the fact that the tax dollars I pay go to something I don't believe in.
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Killing to prevent killing? Doesnt make sense. :hmm:
 
cdaigle430 said:
I'm sorry for not conveying what I'm trying to tell you-it was a believe not an emotion. If he had regretts after the shooting, then it would be considered an act of emotion. I have not heard yet that he regretted what was done. Correct me if I'm wrong-emotions are temporary feelings-correct? Acting on an emotion is like you punching somebody beause they called you a name? A belief is something that is what makes you, well, you?
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Does it really matter if you kill someone out of emotion or feeling? Does it really matter?
 
cdaigle430 said:
Maybe so, in fact I did call him a killer as I posted earlier ("A killer murdering a mass murder) but I could really care less about Pro Choice except that they fullfill one agenda for me-they want to prevent the slaughter of innocent babies who cannot defend themselves. My only hope is that all those mothers/fathers responsible for the slaughter will have to answer to them one day, much like I will have to answer for those lives I've taken, except, in this case I took out armed men who could have taken my life or the lives of my friends in the name of there cause instead.
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Again, totally fallicious comparison.:roll:
 
cdaigle430 said:
I'm sorry for not conveying what I'm trying to tell you-it was a believe not an emotion. If he had regretts after the shooting, then it would be considered an act of emotion. I have not heard yet that he regretted what was done. Correct me if I'm wrong-emotions are temporary feelings-correct? Acting on an emotion is like you punching somebody beause they called you a name? A belief is something that is what makes you, well, you?
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It was a belief based on emotion, not a belief based on fact. And no, having regrets is not a sign of having acted out of emotion. No, emotions are not temporary feelings. And, no a belief is not what makes you, you.
 
netrox said:
What bothers is that pro-lifers don't get it - it is NOT their fetus at all and it's a woman's RIGHT to decide what she'll do. If she wants to terminate, that's her right. If she wants to keep it, that's her right.

Kokonut, as usual, you are just sprouting non-sense. You cannot be pro-choice if you force a woman to have an abortion. It's anti-choice, the VERY same philosophy that you practice with women being denied the right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.

Being pro-choice is about giving a woman the choices she can have, not forcing choices on her. Think about all the unwanted pregnancies and mothers who are seriously burdened with having kids just because they did NOT want them in the first place. I know a few women and they're miserable - they take medications to treat their depression and often exhibit chronic stress.

It's a matter of choice on HOW you value life of a fetus but you have no right to impose that on a woman who's deciding that her fetus has no value whatsoever and should be ended.
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Well said, netrox. Nor is it acceptable to condemn to death a physician who is acting in accordance with the law in assisting those women who have made a choice simply because you don't like their choice.
 
cdaigle430 said:
I wish you pro-choicers could put yourself in pro-lifers shoes, if you really believe that abortion is murder how can you stand by knowing this is being done every day? To them this is pure agony and torture. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't mean it's right. For them you have to do something even if it means taking a life to prevent it. If killing a late stage fetus is truly, truly not murder then prove it 100% with no doubt whatsoever. Yes I am pro-life, no I am not pro-life because of religion, I am not religious, I can't see taking a life period and I can't stand the fact that the tax dollars I pay go to something I don't believe in.
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I have not seen an abortion clinic that allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. I have always though it was the person that had to pay out of pocket.

At least in Florida. Unless (maybe for life saving reasons)

but I am almost sure that abortion is not being performed under the tax payers expense.

Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Babyblue said:
I have not seen an abortion clinic that allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. I have always though it was the person that had to pay out of pocket.

At least in Florida. Unless (maybe for life saving reasons)

but I am almost sure that abortion is not being performed under the tax payers expense.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Planned Parenthood?
 
Bottesini said:
I know. Babyblue asked if any tax funded organizations did abortion.
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Not all Planned Parenthood clinics perform abortions. Their funding is for preventive and educational services rendered, as well as for testing for STDs and HIV.
 
Kokonut, as usual, you are just sprouting non-sense. You cannot be pro-choice if you force a woman to have an abortion. It's anti-choice, the VERY same philosophy that you practice with women being denied the right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.
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I like that quote! :) It's pretty similar to our belief, indeed. Well, Pro-Lifers could have no abortions. Pro-Choicers could have either abortions or not.

I think this thread need to be locked. Its getting so pointless to fight about anything on abortion issues...
 
jillio said:
Not all Planned Parenthood clinics perform abortions. Their funding is for preventive and educational services rendered, as well as for testing for STDs and HIV.
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Duh. And I am not going to be your new target. Some do perform abortion.

So it is an example of a tax funded organization that does.

I didn't say if it is right or wrong.
 
Bottesini said:
Duh. And I am not going to be your new target. Some do perform abortion.

So it is an example of a tax funded organization that does.

I didn't say if it is right or wrong.
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But the tax dollars do not pay for the abortion. The funding they receive goes to support their preventive and their educational programs. Those are services that Planned Parenthood does not charge for. That is why the government funding is available to them. They do charge a fee for abortion services, and that fee is paid by the patient. So tax dollars are not going to pay for anyone's abortion.
 
Bottesini said:
Duh. And I am not going to be your new target. Some do perform abortion.

So it is an example of a tax funded organization that does.

I didn't say if it is right or wrong.
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So the person that is having the abortion done, does not have to pay out of her pocket?

I still never heard of a free abortion clinic. Of any kind.
 
Babyblue said:
So the person that is having the abortion done, does not have to pay out of her pocket?

I still never heard of a free abortion clinic. Of any kind.
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No, Planned Parenthood charges the patient for the abortion services. They do not charge for educational, pregnancy counseling, and preventive services, or for testing for STDs and HIV. The free services are what tax dollars support, not the abortion services. To imply that tax dollars are paying for anyone's abortion is a distortion of facts used by those that are anti-abortion.
 
jillio said:
No, Planned Parenthood charges the patient for the abortion services. They do not charge for educational, pregnancy counseling, and preventive services, or for testing for STDs and HIV. The free services are what tax dollars support, not the abortion services. To imply that tax dollars are paying for anyone's abortion is a distortion of facts used by those that are anti-abortion.
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That is what I thought.
 
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