ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra


I just scraped this off of FoxNews. Who knew intermediate range was anything further away than actual barrel contact...
A leaked autopsy reportedly shows that the bullet that killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin was fired from "intermediate range," which one forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away.

Read more: Autopsy of Trayvon Martin reportedly shows fatal bullet fired from 'intermediate range' | Fox News

To add to this a bit; does anyone see why a lot of people do not trust Fox? I mean, I guess I consider intermediate distance for shooting someone to be something like 5 feet to maybe 20 feet. This description given by the Fox-sourced expert sounds a whole lot like point-blank range to me. Why would they only quote him, and bypass the rest, giving his description the only mention?
 
I just scraped this off of FoxNews. Who knew intermediate range was anything further away than actual barrel contact...

No proof, but what I really feel is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman...after punching him in the nose, then banging his head on the cement....And since the gunshot range was "intermediate", Martin was shot at a very close range....Who knows if they were fighting over the gun while on the ground ??

Anyhow, the purpose of this thread was to note that Zimmerman DID have head injuries and a broken nose, hence some people said there were no injuries at all...and Martin did have an injury on one of his knuckles, more than likely, from punching Zimmerman......
 
No proof, but what I really feel is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman...after punching him in the nose, then banging his head on the cement....And since the gunshot range was "intermediate", Martin was shot at a very close range....Who knows if they were fighting over the gun while on the ground ??

Anyhow, the purpose of this thread was to note that Zimmerman DID have head injuries and a broken nose, hence some people said there were no injuries at all...and Martin did have an injury on one of his knuckles, more than likely, from punching Zimmerman......

And I followed up with an updated version, from the "Fair and Balanced" source. However, something about this lone expert telling me an inch away is intermediate range just does not smell right. Hey, you can buy that brand as truth, if you wish. I think he must be seriously biased, or perhaps he was fabricated. Anything to keep those fires stoked over there in RightWingVille.
 
Anyhow, the purpose of this thread was to note that Zimmerman DID have head injuries and a broken nose, hence some people said there were no injuries at all...and Martin did have an injury on one of his knuckles, more than likely, from punching Zimmerman......

:ty: for nudging it back to topic which is about injuries that Zimmerman sustained during altercation. Like I said before, I do not dispute the fact that altercation did occur. I'm only disputing Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

I apologize for sidetracking it.
 
:ty: for nudging it back to topic which is about injuries that Zimmerman sustained during altercation. Like I said before, I do not dispute the fact that altercation did occur. I'm only disputing Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

I apologize for sidetracking it.
Yes, I sidetracked also. Funny how that works over here in political land. A topic about a Republican quickly turns into another Obama bashing, but when we talk about this case, we need to focus. I think I brought an interesting perspective to the thing by quoting Fox. It simply shows how these news agencies are fanning the flames by distorting the reports they give out. It almost ranges from Zimmerman is a racist thug to Trayvon had a few Crips holding Zimmerman down while they spat on him and rained punches.

Anyhow, back to the Defending of Zimmerman Show!
 
Yes, I sidetracked also. Funny how that works over here in political land. A topic about a Republican quickly turns into another Obama bashing, but when we talk about this case, we need to focus. I think I brought an interesting perspective to the thing by quoting Fox. It simply shows how these news agencies are fanning the flames by distorting the reports they give out. It almost ranges from Zimmerman is a racist thug to Trayvon had a few Crips holding Zimmerman down while they spat on him and rained punches.

Anyhow, back to the Defending of Zimmerman Show!

Hardly any defense of GZ in here. This is about presenting official evidence rather than rely on hyperventilating media to provide so-called evidence (e.g. the police video). Assumptions are so thick you could probably walk on them like some miracle. Let's just have the official evidence instead. It'd be a whole lot easier on everybody than getting all a bit wild-eyed about it.
 
Hardly any defense of GZ in here. This is about presenting official evidence rather than rely on hyperventilating media to provide so-called evidence (e.g. the police video). Assumptions are so thick you could probably walk on them like some miracle. Let's just have the official evidence instead. It'd be a whole lot easier on everybody than getting all a bit wild-eyed about it.

I am not even close to wide eyed here, unless....

Are saying that FoxNews might be a participant in the hyperventilating media; considering the use of the parameters they offer for a description of intermediate distance? Just wanted to include all media reporting as biased, something that seems to be missed when pro-Trayvon bias was shown.
 
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So the gun was in the holster when the kid was shot?

Who knows?...Unless someone was standing right there and witnessed the whole thing going down....Feel sure that Zimmerman was not actually "waving the gun around" or Martin would not have punched him (at least I wouldn't)...but not speculating on if it was or not here....Just saying that both Zimmerman & Trayvon had injuries....and Travon was shot at a close range.
 
I am not even close to wide eyed here, unless....

Are saying that FoxNews might be a participant in the hyperventilating media; considering the use of the parameters they offer for a description of intermediate distance? Just wanted to include all media reporting as biased, something that seems to be missed when pro-Trayvon bias was shown.

Are saying that FoxNews might be a participant in the hyperventilating media; considering the use of the parameters they offer for a description of intermediate distance? Just wanted to include all media reporting as biased, something that seems to be missed when pro-Trayvon bias was shown.[/QUOTE]

I've seen Foxnews to show considerable restraint on not to make leaping assumptions. Even Bill O'Reilly made clear on that by asking the media to not do that sort of thing. Secondly, it wasn't Foxnews who offered the description of what "intermediate distance" is. Rather the description came from an opinion of an an expert medical examiner of what it means:

Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City medical examiner, said "intermediate" in such cases is defined as the muzzle of the gun being one to 18 inches away from the entry point when fired.

"If the muzzle is right against the skin, that’s a contact wound," Baden said. Anything beyond 18 inches is considered "distant" range in coroner's parlance, Baden said.

Unless you can show elsewhere the coroner's parlance for "intermediate distance" isn't 1 to 18 inches then please provide it. I don't see describing "1 to 18 inches" equates to hyperventilating. That would be reserved for those who make leaping assumptions and conclusions without addressing all of the evidence first.
 
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So the gun was in the holster when the kid was shot?

A gun can be fired while in a holster or not. We do not know the exact circumstances on how the gun was fired and under what capacity when it fired (i.e. four hands fighting and wrestling over the gun? was trigger finger GZ or Trayvon? Accidental? Malice?). We simply do not know exactly what took place other than that a gun was fired and a person got killed.
 
Pictures of GZ's injuries (front and back).

Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version - ABC News

More accounts produced by two police reports.

Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

In addition, Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help

and this...

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style," the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.
 
first of all... this so-called neighborhood watch was an unofficial program. unregistered as well. it's more like a wannabe, makeshift type.

and rule #1 of official neighborhood watch program is... "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job". you are the eye and ear for police... nothing more. you do not and should not act on it.

so let's not kid ourselves in here... this is not even a real neighborhood watch program. a member of neighborhood watch is not the same as security guard. it's strongly discouraged. security guard and police officer are both hired and trained professionals whose job is to act on any suspicious activity within a premise. a member of neighborhood watch does not have that same privilege.

so I don't know where you're getting this idea of approaching a suspicious person. that is against the cardinal rule of neighborhood watch and it's strongly discouraged by law enforcement agency.

*shrug*
 
I've seen Foxnews to show considerable restraint on not to make leaping assumptions. Even Bill O'Reilly made clear on that by asking the media to not do that sort of thing. Secondly, it wasn't Foxnews who offered the description of what "intermediate distance" is. Rather the description came from an opinion of an an expert medical examiner of what it means:



Unless you can show elsewhere the coroner's parlance for "intermediate distance" isn't 1 to 18 inches then please provide it. I don't see describing "1 to 18 inches" equates to hyperventilating. That would be reserved for those who make leaping assumptions and conclusions without addressing all of the evidence first.
No, but found it interesting that they found "one" expert to state the 1-18 inch numbers. As I said, I would consider that point-blank range. My opinion was the only thing I gave, along with the quote.
 


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