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Jiro said:
first of all... this so-called neighborhood watch was an unofficial program. unregistered as well. it's more like a wannabe, makeshift type.

and rule #1 of official neighborhood watch program is... "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job". you are the eye and ear for police... nothing more. you do not and should not act on it.

so let's not kid ourselves in here... this is not even a real neighborhood watch program. a member of neighborhood watch is not the same as security guard. it's strongly discouraged. security guard and police officer are both hired and trained professionals whose job is to act on any suspicious activity within a premise. a member of neighborhood watch does not have that same privilege.

so I don't know where you're getting this idea of approaching a suspicious person. that is against the cardinal rule of neighborhood watch and it's strongly discouraged by law enforcement agency.
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Zimmerman was not acting in the capacity of a neighborhood watcher. He was simply a resident who was out on an errand who happened to see something suspicious. He was not out on a patrol of any kind.
 
Babyblue said:
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Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun.
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Do you mean Zimmerman had gun in hand where Martin could see it? Or did Zimmerman call out to Martin, "Stop, I have a gun!"? I haven't read anything like that. Just having a gun in your waistband isn't a confrontation. Also, it's not necessary to even have a gun in order for an act to be considered a confrontation. Someone can confront another person with a fist, a club, a knife, or even words. The idea of confrontation is a threatening "in-your-face" action.
 
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Reba said:
Babyblue said:
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Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun.
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Do you mean Zimmerman had gun in hand where Martin could see it? Or did Zimmerman call out to Martin, "Stop, I have a gun!"? I haven't read anything like that. Just having a gun in your waistband isn't a confrontation. Also, it's not necessary to even have a gun in order for an act to be considered a confrontation. Someone can confront another person with a fist, a club, a knife, or even words. The idea of confrontation is a threatening "in-your-face" action.
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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....
 
Babyblue said:
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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....
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That is the one thing we know. He had a loaded gun. Period. Reba isn't adding to anything. She's pointing out that we do not know the exact scenario on how the timeline went and what action was taken at a particular time and whether those actions are plausible according to evidence given in court. Reba isn't assuming anything. That's the whole idea on waiting until we see more corroborating evidences presented to the public.
 
Babyblue said:
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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....
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No, that is not what you said in post #80. A policeman/woman has a loaded gun on the hip most of the day but 90% of the time there is no confrontation.
Your post #80 can be read to mean you think anytime a person has a loaded gun it is to confront.
 
rolling7 said:
No, that is not what you said in post #80. A policeman/woman has a loaded gun on the hip most of the day but 90% of the time there is no confrontation.
Your post #80 can be read to mean you think anytime a person has a loaded gun it is to confront.
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George Zimmerman isn't police officer, period.
 
rolling7 said:
Foxrac, look close to the quote in the upper 1/3 of post #16, you will see the words "E.R. personnel". Also look close for the words: "for him to go to the hospital".
Remember I said if you are in the E.R. you are already in the hospital.
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They refer ER personnel as staff who works EMS or ambulance.

That's not big deal.

Do you want me to stop read CNN news? :roll:
 
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:roll: Guess you guys don't get it. I have said my piece. You can chose to be ignorant or not.
 
Foxrac said:
George Zimmerman isn't police officer, period.
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I know that. I was just using an example of the fact that just because a person has a loaded gun they are not looking to confront. That was Babyblue was trying to say.

BTW: no, don't stop watching CNN, just push to see that they report without a flaw.
 
Babyblue said:
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Reba, he has a loaded gun. Period, that is what I said. Anything else, is what you are adding.....
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You said, "Confront, since he approached with a loaded gun."

Zimmerman had a loaded gun, yes. He admits to that.

Has he admitted to approaching or confronting Martin? I haven't seen that but if you have, please share that source. If Zimmerman says that he confronted or even approached Martin, I'll accept that. If he doesn't say that, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out in the trial.

My point is, just carrying a loaded concealed weapon is not by itself an act of confrontation. Lots of people carry loaded concealed weapons every day, and they pray that they won't be confronted and have to use it.

Side note: If the concealed weapon that is being carried isn't loaded there's no point in having one.
 
Foxrac said:
George Zimmerman isn't police officer, period.
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That doesn't mean he can't lawfully carry a concealed weapon. TCS and I aren't police officers either but we can lawfully carry concealed weapons.
 
Reba said:
That doesn't mean he can't lawfully carry a concealed weapon. TCS and I aren't police officers either but we can lawfully carry concealed weapons.
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And I am glad that you do. Thank you :ty:
 
Reba said:
Zimmerman was not acting in the capacity of a neighborhood watcher. He was simply a resident who was out on an errand who happened to see something suspicious. He was not out on a patrol of any kind.
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yes yes yes. you've (or somebody else) said that in locked thread. and I've explained in return. it does not matter if whether or not he was on patrol. he was not allowed to confront a person. call police and let them handle it. PERIOD. like I said.... same ole' song. this is nothing but a repeat of locked thread.

let's try something new.

George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin new details: Source says Zimmerman told police that Trayvon circled his SUV, frightened him - Orlando Sentinel
George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
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At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.
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Reba said:
That doesn't mean he can't lawfully carry a concealed weapon. TCS and I aren't police officers either but we can lawfully carry concealed weapons.
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Steinhauer said:
And I am glad that you do. Thank you :ty:
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would both of you confront a suspicious person like what he described to 911 dispatcher? there you go.
 
rolling7 said:
I know that. I was just using an example of the fact that just because a person has a loaded gun they are not looking to confront. That was Babyblue was trying to say.

BTW: no, don't stop watching CNN, just push to see that they report without a flaw.
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FYI, I don't watch any news on TV so I only read news online.
 
Reba said:
That doesn't mean he can't lawfully carry a concealed weapon. TCS and I aren't police officers either but we can lawfully carry concealed weapons.
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Oh, no, that's not what I was saying.

You cannot be armed and be confront at suspicious person in anywhere, especially public area and not in your property.

If you don't get it so nevermind, I can't figure it out about what I'm trying to say, even I'm very heavily ASL user and it is difficult to re-write into english that try to match about what I was saying.
 
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