ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Tra

Jiro said:
because Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his car and he should have let the cops deal with it.

you are the only one here trying to make this a racist issue.
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ORLY?

You need to read very carefully what I said. I said the media turned this into a racist issue - and they did. Are you trying to dispute that?



I don't know what Zimmerman did and he might be an earnest citizen protecting his neighborhood who had to protect himself from a thug.

Alternately he might be a racist with a superhero complex who gunned down an innocent teen.

BUT I also know you don't know either. You're manufacturing a scenario in your mind that affirms your political and social biases and then embracing it as fact.
 
Steinhauer said:
ORLY?

You need to read very carefully what I said. I said the media turned this into a racist issue - and they did. Are you trying to dispute that?



I don't know what Zimmerman did and he might be an earnest citizen protecting his neighborhood who had to protect himself from a thug.

Alternately he might be a racist with a superhero complex who gunned down an innocent teen.

BUT I also know you don't know either. You're manufacturing a scenario in your mind that affirms your political and social biases and then embracing it as fact.
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:ty: for proving my point that you're still making this a racist issue. for the past several weeks, I haven't heard much about Zimmerman being racist in the news. you are only the one who are still frothing all over on this so I don't know where you're getting this kind of news. stormfront forum?

I've already repeatedly stated that I do not believe Zimmerman is racist and I don't believe he will get charged with hate crime. My stance is that Zimmerman had made a series of erroneous judgments that led to Trayvon's death. completely avoidable.
 
Steinhauer said:
So, it is appearing more and more like Zimmerman was actually telling the truth about what transpired between him and Trayvon. Also, it has been proven that several media outlets intentionally lied to stir up racist bigotry against Zimmerman and white people. The 911 call was intentionally edited to do this.

Autopsy records show Trayvon had THC in his system, as well as bruised knuckles.

Medical records show that Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head, a broken nose and an injured back.

The facts show that the media portrayal of Zimmerman as "uninjured" were simply lies.

Yet .... people still want Zimmerman locked up ... because ....because ... well, just because.

Need I point out that the media wanted everyone to think Zimmerman was a white supremacist when the news first broke?
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Hello Steinhauer, please can you answer my question.
http://www.alldeaf.com/2061294-post100.html
 
Jiro said:
would both of you confront a suspicious person like what he described to 911 dispatcher? there you go.
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Since we don't know what happened before and during the "confrontation," how can we say whether or not we would do the same? We have to first know exactly what happened before we can either agree or disagree with it.

Last week, there was a wild driver circling my street (which is a one-mile circle with one entrance/exit) several times at a high rate of speed during the evening. (Our speed limit is 25 mph.) As he came around the curve towards my house, I was surprised that he didn't either flip over or jump the curb and go thru a house. That's how bad it was. So, I told TCS to call the police while I got in my Jeep and tried to find out where he lived. I couldn't find him. He probably drove into a garage. A couple of our other neighbors told me they had witnessed it, too. When the police arrived, we described what happened. He drove around the circle once, then left.

I didn't have a gun with me, and I had no intention of getting out of my Jeep to pursue anyone. I just wanted to get either an address or a license plate number.

If I had spotted someone suspicious like Zimmerman says he did, I possibly would have followed at a distance in my car and called it in. I would not get out of my car to follow someone alone, and in the dark.
 
Jiro said:
yes yes yes. you've (or somebody else) said that in locked thread. and I've explained in return. it does not matter if whether or not he was on patrol. he was not allowed to confront a person. call police and let them handle it. PERIOD. like I said.... same ole' song. this is nothing but a repeat of locked thread.

let's try something new....
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That's fine with me. You're the one who brought up the neighborhood watch thing again, so you should expect the same responses again.
 
Reba said:
That's fine with me. You're the one who brought up the neighborhood watch thing again, so you should expect the same responses again.
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no I didn't. TXGolfer did. and I know you know very well that all Neighborhood Watch programs and police departments strongly advise against acting on it when you see a suspicious person/activity.

To think that a member of neighborhood watch has every right to approach someone he feels is suspicious is absolutely absurd and foolish.
 
Reba said:
Since we don't know what happened before and during the "confrontation," how can we say whether or not we would do the same? We have to first know exactly what happened before we can either agree or disagree with it.

Last week, there was a wild driver circling my street (which is a one-mile circle with one entrance/exit) several times at a high rate of speed during the evening. (Our speed limit is 25 mph.) As he came around the curve towards my house, I was surprised that he didn't either flip over or jump the curb and go thru a house. That's how bad it was. So, I told TCS to call the police while I got in my Jeep and tried to find out where he lived. I couldn't find him. He probably drove into a garage. A couple of our other neighbors told me they had witnessed it, too. When the police arrived, we described what happened. He drove around the circle once, then left.

I didn't have a gun with me, and I had no intention of getting out of my Jeep to pursue anyone. I just wanted to get either an address or a license plate number.

If I had spotted someone suspicious like Zimmerman says he did, I possibly would have followed at a distance in my car and called it in. I would not get out of my car to follow someone alone, and in the dark.
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Right on, Reba....awhile back, I spotted (late evening) someone walking back and forth several times.....by the river bank in my backyard.....our Dog was barking and barking. We called Security...cut our porch light on...went outside and looked to see what clothes he was wearing, etc....He took off to the dock and when he saw Security coming, he ran the other way....We felt he was casing the neighborhood, up to no good. And evidently he was, or he would not have ran off.
 
rockin'robin said:
Right on, Reba....awhile back, I spotted (late evening) someone walking back and forth several times.....by the river bank in my backyard.....our Dog was barking and barking. We called Security...cut our porch light on...went outside and looked to see what clothes he was wearing, etc....He took off to the dock and when he saw Security coming, he ran the other way....We felt he was casing the neighborhood, up to no good. And evidently he was, or he would not have ran off.
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You...you...confronted the unknown stranger?
 
TM confronted GZ and beat him up so GZ shot him in self-defense. There were two witnesses who saw TM beating GZ up on the ground and heard GZ screaming "HELP". Why would the witnesses lie?
 
kokonut said:
You...you...confronted the unknown stranger?
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My sons and I stood on the patio getting a better look at him....there was no face-to-face situation. If I had of been home alone, more than likely, I would have gotten a gun in case that unknown stranger had confronted me. And yes, I would have shot him if he made any threats towards my well-being or tried to break in or trying to steal things off our patio.
 
CrazyPaul said:
TM confronted GZ and beat him up so GZ shot him in self-defense. There were two witnesses who saw TM beating GZ up on the ground and heard GZ screaming "HELP". Why would the witnesses lie?
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No, George Zimmermna confronted Trayvon Martin in first place after followed after Trayvon Martin.

It is ultimately avoidable if George Zimmerman stays in car.
 
rockin'robin said:
My sons and I stood on the patio getting a better look at him....there was no face-to-face situation. If I had of been home alone, more than likely, I would have gotten a gun in case that unknown stranger had confronted me. And yes, I would have shot him if he made any threats towards my well-being or tried to break in or trying to steal things off our patio.
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Ah, confronted the stranger from a distance.
 
TXgolfer said:
... And actually as a member of the neighborhood watch he has every right to approach someone he feels is suspicious....
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I would say, as a resident of the neighborhood, he has every right to approach someone he feels is suspicious. I'm not saying it's a wise thing to do but it is his right.
 
Foxrac said:
No, George Zimmermna confronted Trayvon Martin in first place after followed after Trayvon Martin.

It is ultimately avoidable if George Zimmerman stays in car.
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What GZ did was not a threat at all. If he approached TM and asked him what he was doing, that was not a threat.
 
rockin'robin said:
Right on, Reba....awhile back, I spotted (late evening) someone walking back and forth several times.....by the river bank in my backyard.....our Dog was barking and barking. We called Security...cut our porch light on...went outside and looked to see what clothes he was wearing, etc....He took off to the dock and when he saw Security coming, he ran the other way....We felt he was casing the neighborhood, up to no good. And evidently he was, or he would not have ran off.
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rockin'robin said:
My sons and I stood on the patio getting a better look at him....there was no face-to-face situation. If I had of been home alone, more than likely, I would have gotten a gun in case that unknown stranger had confronted me. And yes, I would have shot him if he made any threats towards my well-being or tried to break in or trying to steal things off our patio.
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That's happened in your property so you are free to confront the suspicious since George Zimmerman isn't.
 
Jiro said:
first of all... this so-called neighborhood watch was an unofficial program. unregistered as well. it's more like a wannabe, makeshift type.

and rule #1 of official neighborhood watch program is... "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job". you are the eye and ear for police... nothing more. you do not and should not act on it.

so let's not kid ourselves in here... this is not even a real neighborhood watch program. a member of neighborhood watch is not the same as security guard. it's strongly discouraged. security guard and police officer are both hired and trained professionals whose job is to act on any suspicious activity within a premise. a member of neighborhood watch does not have that same privilege.

so I don't know where you're getting this idea of approaching a suspicious person. that is against the cardinal rule of neighborhood watch and it's strongly discouraged by law enforcement agency.
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This is a misconception that only official members of official groups can watch out for their neighbors. Any resident or even passerby who spots something dangerous or suspicious can contact the police, jot down license plate numbers, and question (not detain) someone. Especially if you see something dangerous happening like the abduction of a child or the rape of a woman are you going to wait for the police before you take action?
 
CrazyPaul said:
What GZ did was not a threat at all. If he approached TM and asked him what he was doing, that was not a threat.
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neither is Trayon Martin.

George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin all way that put Martin's life in fear.

Trayvon Martin lives with his father in same neighborhood as Zimmerman does.

It is none of Zimmerman's business to look at Martin and he only need is call police if he feels that Martin is suspicious.
 
Foxrac said:
Is it okay for you go to Atlanta city park, be armed and confront at suspicious person who sit on bench at late night?
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How is a person suspicious if he's just sitting on a bench? I would just walk past him and keep going, whether I was armed or not. Of course, I probably wouldn't be walking thru a park late at night alone in the first place. Most of Charleston's city parks are closed late at night.
 
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