A Violation of Human Rights Re: Forcing A Deaf Child to Wear CI

[jillio]

You are one of few posters(less than three?) here using the term 'anti-CI', and claim several posters here belong to that label. Yes, you feel it's your place to categorize people as long you use it.

So far, you show resistance to define what your 'anti-CI' term means, and refuse to name those people who are 'anti-CI'. It's telling. Just saying.

Anti-CI appears to be a term used by hearing parents anytime they are met with information that contradicts their opinion that the CI will somehow make their child "hearing." All it really means is that the hearing parent simply disregards all that which is cultural or realistic in preference of pipe dreams. It says more about the person who uses it than the person being labeled with it.

Reminds me of those grammar school playground arguments where one child says, "You are ugly!" and the second child responds with, "Yeah, well you are fat!"

 

[jillio]

If one accepts that "deafness/Deafness" is SUPERIOR to hearing. An interesting supposition- to say the least. Reality?
Does the fact that human being appear to have cochleas suggest something?
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No, it doesn't.

 

[GrendelQ]

Anti-CI appears to be a term used by hearing parents anytime they are met with information that contradicts their opinion that the CI will somehow make their child "hearing." All it really means is that the hearing parent simply disregards all that which is cultural or realistic in preference of pipe dreams. It says more about the person who uses it than the person being labeled with it.

Reminds me of those grammar school playground arguments where one child says, "You are ugly!" and the second child responds with, "Yeah, well you are fat!"

That's one reason why I refuse to label individuals as anti-CI or audist, despite Flip's repeated requests for me to do so. If someone chooses to call himself or herself anti-CI, as did Flip, that's up to them.

 

[jillio]

It's a shame people take offense at the word "audist." I admit I was one at a certain time in my life, big time. I have learned to amend my attitude, and today it is still an ongoing process.

Exactly. The only shame is in refusing to examine your own beliefs and trying to change them.

Tom Humphries never intended it to be a negative label as so many want to believe it is. It was a way to give a name to a sociological concept that can be supported with hard evidence of it's existence.

 

[jillio]

Jillio, you are here, good. It appears that Grendel is acting like cat with its back arched, hair standing on end, hissing and clawing in the air, and all the while backing itself into a corner. I asked her a simple question but the visual I get is the above. May I ask you the same question, as a hearing person?

Can you tell me honestly....Was there at any time, whether in the past or even now from time to time that you wish/ed that your son could hear like you, because he misses out on something? and if so, when did it cease? or does it haunt you still from time to time?

Honestly, there was more than one time. All the time I was attempting to become fluent in ASL and integrate myself fully into Deaf Culture, I had thoughts that it would be so much easier if my child could hear and communicate as I did. When I was battling school systems for accommodations, I wished that he were not deaf, and did not have to go through the things the school system seemed intent on putting the both of us through. When another child would make fun of him, I wished he was hearing and did not have to endure the meanness of some. I wished that he would be able to hear music as I did until I saw him perform in his deaf school's signing choir and learned that music seen is just as beautiful as music heard. I wished that, as a child, I could take him to the theatre to see the new releases of children's films instead of having to wait until it was released for home viewing because he needed close captioning. These are just a few of the instances. It has gotten oh, so much better as he grew up and I began to understand more about his experience. I have not had thoughts such as those for many years, but would not be surprised at all, were I to have one again at some time. It is perfectly natural and human. Hiding and denying from such thoughts does parent or child no good what so ever.

 

[jillio]

That's one reason why I refuse to label individuals as anti-CI or audist, despite Flip's repeated requests for me to do so. If someone chooses to call himself or herself anti-CI, as did Flip, that's up to them.

Funny. I've seen you use the term right here in this thread. That is labeling.

 

[jillio]

Yes..

I can recognize some audism within me, and I'm thankful I can do it, because it means I can control it. It's also much easier to get rid of it when one are aware of it. Audism really clouds the mind, and I'm happy I've got rid of pretty much of it. Still, it's no shame to admit audism, it's everywhere and hard to avoid if one aren't aware.

Exactly. What one is unaware of, or aware of but denies because they fear being seen negatively, has the power to grow and take over.

Awareness and honesty are needed to fight audism. If you allow it to run out of control in your own life, you have no ability to stop it in the greater society.

 

[Daredevel7]

Honestly, there was more than one time. All the time I was attempting to become fluent in ASL and integrate myself fully into Deaf Culture, I had thoughts that it would be so much easier if my child could hear and communicate as I did. When I was battling school systems for accommodations, I wished that he were not deaf, and did not have to go through the things the school system seemed intent on putting the both os us through. When another child would make fun of him, I wished he was hearing and did not have to endure the meanness of some. I wished that he would be able to hear music as I did until I saw him perform in his deaf school's signing choir and learned that music seen is just as beautiful as music heard. I wished that, as a child, I could take him to the theatre to see the new releases of children's films instead of having to wait until it was released for home viewing because he needed close captioning. These are just a few of the instances. It has gotten oh, so much better as he grew up and I began to understand more about his experience. I have not had thoughts such as those for many years, but would not be surprised at all, were I to have one again at some time. It is perfectly natural and human. Hiding and denying from such thoughts does parent or child no good what so ever.

^ AUDIST.

Didn't someone say that you start off with deeply ingrained audism and when you recognize it and still do it, you are considered an audist? She said there's been several times.



I kid. People just need to calm down with the whole "YOURE AN AUDIST" and "HOW AM I AN AUDIST?" stuff.

This is exactly why I hate labels because people spend half of the time trying to tell someone that they are Label X and that accused Label X person spends the other half denying that s/he is not.

WHO CARES? Focus on the ACTIONS and SAYINGS rather than labels.

 

[posts from hell]

^ AUDIST.

Didn't someone say that you start off with deeply ingrained audism and when you recognize it and still do it, you are considered an audist? She said there's been several times.



I kid. People just need to calm down with the whole "YOURE AN AUDIST" and "HOW AM I AN AUDIST?" stuff.

This is exactly why I hate labels because people spend half of the time trying to tell someone that they are Label X and that accused Label X person spends the other half denying that s/he is not.

WHO CARES? Focus on the ACTIONS and SAYINGS rather than labels.

Thats why we say "Audist statement" "Audist perspective"

 

[jillio]

^ AUDIST.

Didn't someone say that you start off with deeply ingrained audism and when you recognize it and still do it, you are considered an audist? She said there's been several times.



I kid. People just need to calm down with the whole "YOURE AN AUDIST" and "HOW AM I AN AUDIST?" stuff.

This is exactly why I hate labels because people spend half of the time trying to tell someone that they are Label X and that accused Label X person spends the other half denying that s/he is not.

WHO CARES? Focus on the ACTIONS and SAYINGS rather than labels.

I fully admit to having completely audist beliefs at the time my son was diagnosed. I fully admit that I did not get rid of those beliefs over night just because I was blessed with a deaf child. It took work, and honesty, and a willingness to listen to what the deaf were telling me, along with a willingness to admit when I was wrong and actively seek to change it.

Difference is, if I were called an audist, I would stop and say, "You might have a point. Explain to me why you saw that in what I said." And then, when it was explained, I would seek to change what is in myself, rather than attempting to turn it around on the one who said it and play the victim.

 

[jillio]

Thats why we say "Audist statement" "Audist perspective"

Exactly. Unfortunately, some do not see the difference between making a statement regarding an action, and making a personal criticism. Tells me that we often hit too close to home with our observations of audism.

 

[Daredevel7]

Thats why we say "Audist statement" "Audist perspective"

We? Everyone here?

No one has ever said "You are an audist"?

I see.......

 

[jillio]

We? Everyone here?

No one has ever said "You are an audist"?

I see.......

I don't think that you are getting the difference yet of audist perspective, or audist belief and "you are an audist." I have said that of more than one poster here, and I did so because they had their audist statements pointed out to them, yet refused to consider that what they believed was audist, and continued to insist that they were right.

 

[Daredevel7]

I don't think that you are getting the difference yet of audist perspective, or audist belief and "you are an audist." I have said that of more than one poster here, and I did so because they had their audist statements pointed out to them, yet refused to consider that what they believed was audist, and continued to insist that they were right.

Nah, PFH implied that the terms "Audist statements" and "Audist perspectives" were used instead labeling them simply "audist". Which kinda makes me laugh because there's been MORE THAN a fair share of simply name calling (AUDIST!!!) around here on AD.

But yes, if things were calmer, then people would be composed and point out that they believe that statement/perspective to be a form of audism. Then, keeping with the calm status, people can accept it or deny it with rationale.

That would be cool. (But yea... in the back of my mind, I am thinking "YEA RIGHT, like that would happen")

(PS, I just realized that I'm kind of in the wrong thread to be talking about audism. Ill just talk about it in that Audist room over there.)

 

[Bottesini]

Nah, PFH implied that the terms "Audist statements" and "Audist perspectives" were used instead labeling them simply "audist". Which kinda makes me laugh because there's been MORE THAN a fair share of simply name calling (AUDIST!!!) around here on AD.

But yes, if things were calmer, then people would be composed and point out that they believe that statement/perspective to be a form of audism. Then, keeping with the calm status, people can accept it or deny it with rationale.

That would be cool. (But yea... in the back of my mind, I am thinking "YEA RIGHT, like that would happen")

(PS, I just realized that I'm kind of in the wrong thread to be talking about audism. Ill just talk about it in that Audist room over there.)

What an audist perspective! Talk about it from the rooftops! Don't keep it hidden.

 

[jillio]

Nah, PFH implied that the terms "Audist statements" and "Audist perspectives" were used instead labeling them simply "audist". Which kinda makes me laugh because there's been MORE THAN a fair share of simply name calling (AUDIST!!!) around here on AD.

But yes, if things were calmer, then people would be composed and point out that they believe that statement/perspective to be a form of audism. Then, keeping with the calm status, people can accept it or deny it with rationale.

That would be cool. (But yea... in the back of my mind, I am thinking "YEA RIGHT, like that would happen")

(PS, I just realized that I'm kind of in the wrong thread to be talking about audism. Ill just talk about it in that Audist room over there.)

And I just explained why I will call someone and audist rather than say they have an audist perspective or made an audist statement. Labeling them an audist only happens after they have shown, time and time again, that they are an audist because they are unwilling to change their audist beliefs and see the deaf perspective.

Frankly, everywhere is a good place to talk about audism. It needs to be forced into people's awareness to make any progress on getting rid of it.

 

[GrendelQ]

It would also help if you would stop attempting to play the victim. You spend far too much time looking for reasons to be insulted and justifying yourself, as well as jumping to the defense of those that display obvious audism. All of it is time you could be paying attention to what is being said and actually learning that which would be beneficial. Oh, well.

Nonsense. Stop attacking and take the rhetoric down a few notches. I'm certainly no one's victim. According to Beclak, I'm a cat. I prefer that.

 

[GrendelQ]

Funny. I've seen you use the term right here in this thread. That is labeling.

Because I mention to Flip (who used the term to self-identify) that I won't categorize individuals as "anti-CI" (oh, darn, did it again: meant to write a$@&-CI) I'm labeling others just by using the term? The only label I've employed in this thread was "Pain in the A$@" and that's a term of endearment, something I believe PFH works very hard at.

 

[jillio]

Nonsense. Stop attacking and take the rhetoric down a few notches. I'm certainly no one's victim. According to Beclak, I'm a cat. I prefer that.

Okay. You are a catty victim.
At least that is the way you portray yourself when you continually communicate that you are being attacked and then respond with unnecessary sarcasm and examples of situations that don't apply in an attempt to deflect. Better?

 

[jillio]

Because I mention to Flip (who used the term to self-identify) that I won't categorize individuals as "anti-CI" (oh, darn, did it again: meant to write a$@&-CI) I'm labeling others just by using the term? The only label I've employed in this thread was "Pain in the A$@" and that's a term of endearment, something I believe PFH works very hard at.

What do you think labeling is? Duh. Such blindess. Sad.