A Violation of Human Rights Re: Forcing A Deaf Child to Wear CI

[jillio]

I am starting to see what you mean. It's like she is singing "I'm no racist" to a melody called "Racism is ok".

No doubt. Covert audism.

 

[jillio]

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just asking for the information. I don't know how many kids get what services so i asked.

Then stop trying to throw out ridiculas statistics, since you fully admit you don't know.

 

[jillio]

I'm very interested in what other people think, I just won't speak on their behalf. You ask me why the majority thinks a certain way that's different from what I think. I don't know, and won't put my words in their mouths.

And yet you feel that you must speak out on behalf of FJ and rick48. Interesting.

 

[jillio]

Most don't.

But it's difficult to find deaf peers, teachers and role models in your average neighborhood schools. It's not possible to have ASL immersion and instruction in those schools. Those are the primary reasons why my child is at a school for the deaf. And we use interpreters so her director of special Ed can be at the same meetings her teachers--some deaf--are at. And so people don't have to sim com at meetings.

You better do some research. The fact of the matter is, most CI students still require the support services that non-CI students get.

 

[jillio]

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wrong again. When my child was implanted she had ZERO speech understanding. She would turn to her name, but that was it. She did not understand anything. She did not have access. She could not hear or understand. How is that difficult to understand?

Still doesn't negate the fact that she had hearing at birth and for several years after.

 

[GrendelQ]

I'd be a bit more careful about guilt by association, if I were you.

Shady tactics. I have more faith in the intelligence of people here than to think that they would fall for that red herring. Between you and Flip, we've got some interesting threats and bullying going on here -- does that usually work for you?

You say I "defend the sort of audistic beliefs and remarks made my rick48." Yet, can you actually show a single audistic comment of Rick's that I've supposedly defended. I've had people send me 'maybe not recently, but there's a history' messages about Rick.

Once again, if your twisted logic says that because I insist on making up my own mind and using my own judgment, rather than following the herd, I'm committing "audism," I'll be very sorry for the forum that bans members based on that definition and eliminates every member who thinks for himself. But I suspect those who remain will be a very happy little community with no dissension.

 

[Beowulf]

It's a shame people take offense at the word "audist." I admit I was one at a certain time in my life, big time. I have learned to amend my attitude, and today it is still an ongoing process.

 

[BecLak]

Jillio, you are here, good. It appears that Grendel is acting like cat with its back arched, hair standing on end, hissing and clawing in the air, and all the while backing itself into a corner. I asked her a simple question but the visual I get is the above. May I ask you the same question, as a hearing person?

Can you tell me honestly....Was there at any time, whether in the past or even now from time to time that you wish/ed that your son could hear like you, because he misses out on something? and if so, when did it cease? or does it haunt you still from time to time?

 

[GrendelQ]

And yet you feel that you must speak out on behalf of FJ and rick48. Interesting.

Are you planning to list every member that I've agree with and spoken out in support of? Or just the ones you don't like?

 

[Beowulf]

Are you planning to list every member that I've agree with and spoken out in support of? Or just the ones you don't like?

Good Lord.

 

[flip]

It's a shame people take offense at the word "audist." I admit I was one at a certain time in my life, big time. I have learned to amend my attitude, and today it is still an ongoing process.

Yes..

I can recognize some audism within me, and I'm thankful I can do it, because it means I can control it. It's also much easier to get rid of it when one are aware of it. Audism really clouds the mind, and I'm happy I've got rid of pretty much of it. Still, it's no shame to admit audism, it's everywhere and hard to avoid if one aren't aware.

 

[BecLak]

Yes, flip, it is very prevalent. That is why I am asking the question to everyone who is hearing, which Grendel is so sleathily avoiding. I am not out to trap or corner anyone, but trying to draw lines as it were, between the unintentional and intentional. Every hearing person would be biased to Audism swayed unbeknowingly by public opinion. Public opinion is often set by the media or specialists in a certain field. I am just probing whether this would be a fact. This does not make them audist however. An audist is one who has a conviction that hearing is better than not hearing. I am going pretty much from public concensus over the years of having hearing people saying 'You don't know what you are missing out on'. Haven't we all heard this time in time out, even some newbies on AD have begun with that.

 

[posts from hell]

Yes, flip, it is very prevalent. That is why I am asking the question to everyone who is hearing, which Grendel is so sleathily avoiding. I am not out to trap or corner anyone, but trying to draw lines as it were, between the unintentional and intentional. Every hearing person would be biased to Audism swayed unbeknowingly by public opinion. Public opinion is often set by the media or specialists in a certain field. I am just probing whether this would be a fact. This does not make them audist however. An audist is one who has a conviction that hearing is better than not hearing. I am going pretty much from public concensus over the years of having hearing people saying 'You don't know what you are missing out on'. Haven't we all heard this time in time out, even some newbies on AD have begun with that.

 

[jillio]

Shady tactics. I have more faith in the intelligence of people here than to think that they would fall for that red herring. Between you and Flip, we've got some interesting threats and bullying going on here -- does that usually work for you?

You say I "defend the sort of audistic beliefs and remarks made my rick48." Yet, can you actually show a single audistic comment of Rick's that I've supposedly defended. I've had people send me 'maybe not recently, but there's a history' messages about Rick.

Once again, if your twisted logic says that because I insist on making up my own mind and using my own judgment, rather than following the herd, I'm committing "audism," I'll be very sorry for the forum that bans members based on that definition and eliminates every member who thinks for himself. But I suspect those who remain will be a very happy little community with no dissension.

It would also help if you would stop attempting to play the victim. You spend far too much time looking for reasons to be insulted and justifying yourself, as well as jumping to the defense of those that display obvious audism. All of it is time you could be paying attention to what is being said and actually learning that which would be beneficial. Oh, well.

 

[jillio]

Good Lord.

No doubt. Poor poor Grendel. Such a victim.

 

[jillio]

Are you aware there are many dhh people with oral fluency who have pretty decent speechreading skills? Speechreading is MORE then just reading lips.

Exactly. Which is why it is called "speech reading."

 

[jillio]

BecLak, had to respond due to the last responce. I as a hearing parent have never wished my children to be anything but what they are. MY CHILDREN! Our world is their world, which IS the deaf world. Through education, language and activities. They have brought an amazing world of Deaf culture into our lives and we are who we are today because what these 2 beautiful girls have brought to us. There are many avenues in which some parents take , but do not look at us all as being the same, wanting to change our children into what they are not -hearing children. CI's/ hearing aids/ or whatever devise that may be used, us using both, will not change the fact that our children are Deaf children and we will love them nurture them and lives our lives for them through the DEAF Culture and Language

This is true because, rather than attempting to bring them into YOUR culture, you have been a true parent, and have FOLLOWED them into THEIRS. As one who did the same 25 years ago, I can assure you that your life will be enriched in ways you cannot even imagine at this point.

 

[jillio]

Molestation is not a belief system.

No, it isn't. As a matter of fact, the comparison does not apply in any way, shape, or form. Molestation is not accepted and practiced by the majority of society. Audism is accepted and practiced, to some degree, by the majority of society.

Just another attempt at deflection.

 

[jillio]

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I would rather not use Christianity as an analogy for audism. Flip argues that because many deaf have had audist parents, the assumption should be that Rick also thinks his daughter inferior to hearing children despite the admiring way he discusses her.

Either you still don't grasp the difference of believing that your child (as an oral, CI child) is superior to those who use ASL and don't have great oral skills and believing your child is inferior to hearing children, then you really need to take some time off and try to comprehend what is being said. Actually, I suspect it is more of a situation where you simply don't want to see the difference, and so, keep ignoring it. Your primary goal appears not to be learning more about deafness and the culture, but to continue to defend those actions that have caused negative and discriminatory actions to the deaf for many years. What will you do when your child, as an adult, experiences the same simply because there are those that have chosen to defend audsit beliefs rather than have the courage to speak out against them?

 

[jillio]

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yeah when you get rid of anyone who disagrees with you, things turn into what you want. That's why you are trying to get a ban for what you call audism, so you can silence everyone you don't like, including the deaf people who don't fall into line. It's crap. No, i won't leave. This isn't your site.

It is certainly more of PFH's site than it is yours. Check the name...you are not deaf, nor do you subscribe to and live by Deaf cultural values.

You are nothing more than another audist that thinks they know more what is best for the deaf/Deaf than the deaf/Deaf themselves know. Nothing new...there have been millions of you over the years.