a Deaf view on CI -- video

[shel90]

Umm.. being an anti-CI has nothing to do with this, we are not talking about the implant itself , we are currently talking about the use of ASL to communicate with their deaf child because it seem to me parents are not using all the opportunity for their deaf child, perhaps it's because some parents here thinks ASL is no longer needed, why? because they feel that it's delaying their deaf child's speech and language skills, but to me access to spoken lanuage and ASL is the key in the child's development and the greatest and most fundamental gift you can give your deaf child is to provide ALL TOOLS!!!

I agree...it is not the implant that I am against..it is the oral-only view that I am against. Also, all the misconceptions about the Deaf community and ASL limiting deaf/hoh people is what I feel strongly against too.

When someone says "I dont need to expose my child to ASL nor the Deaf community," they are automatically rejecting and discriminating against a group of people on the spot. Deaf children who are in the Deaf community are already rejected by hearing people which is bad enough but to get rejected by oral deaf children is very tragic. It is like saying, "I am not interested in being friends with black people." Never know there could be people that there children could make a lifetime bond with but yet, the parents made that decision for their children when they believe that by being around hearing peers or adults more preferrable.

 

[jillio]

My point exactly. How do these oralists account for those individuals? So far, none of them can answer that question, except to say, "My child will be different." But don't you think all of those other parents have said that, too?

 

[jillio]

He also said he signed her up for classes when she was a teen and she refused to go. so yes at that time she was not interested in ASL or deaf culture. Yes now in college she is learning sign but then my older daughters all took sign when they went off to college to. It happens, exactly how 'immersed' in the culture his daughter becomes will be her decision. I really don't see a need to get all worked up about how Rick raised his child. It was their choice. , tell me how would his family have been excepted by Deaf culture back in 1991 or so? So why would one keep banging ones head against a wall when the child is doing fine without the culture? Every family makes the decision on how to raise their child deaf or not, none of us need to agree completely with how one raises their child. As long as one is not abusing the child its not our business.

A bit of a correction. He suggested that she take ASL classes to fulfill her college foreign language requirement. And he also stated that she has made deaf signing friends since high school, and uses her new found language capabilities to communicate with them.

 

[shel90]

A bit of a correction. He suggested that she take ASL classes to fulfill her college foreign language requirement. And he also stated that she has made deaf signing friends since high school, and uses her new found language capabilities to communicate with them.

Apparently, I didnt remember that. Thanks for reminding me. It is hard to keep track of who said what.

 

[Cheri]

You can sit at your computer and type all your little insults about me that you want but I have raised a daughter who is living and loving proof that you are wrong and that you are clueless.

Oh whatever, You also sitting behind the computer throwing insults at me as well, it doesn't make you any better than me.

Believe me I won't let you get away with throwing insults, so watch your mouth and I'll watch mine. Deal?

If I'm so clueless then how come you never answered Jillio's question about sign language in other threads? afraid to spill the truth Rick?

 

[Angel]

Shel90, Why most school sytems only provide communication language teaching such as spanish and french but not sign language?...How come?

 

[Kaitin]

Exactly what gives you the right to judge my wife and I? Who are you? Other than being an ignorant jerk, what, if anything do you know about how we raised our daughter? You talk about looking out for our own interrests, funny but my wife put her career on hold to dedicate all her time and effort to our daughter but that means nothing to the likes of you because we did not use ASL. What a jerk you are!

All you did was just prove how right our decision was not to expose our children to ignorant, bigoted people like yourself deaf or otherwise. Thank God for the oral deaf community.

That my daughter grew up knowing wonderful deaf adults who were and still are loving and caring and giving people is something you deem a "problem" just demonstrates that you are an ignorant fool.

I guess I will get banned yet again by the moderators but of course your insults of my wife and I will be tolerated by the moderators.

To quote the immortal words of Daffy Duck: So long suckers!

Hi, Rick: I understand you are upset when you write this reply and discussion about your daughter and wife is a hot topic. But "Thank God for the oral deaf community" doesn't mean oral deaf are better, right? You are happy for your daughter's hearing and verbal ability I guess and not because she avoids deaf who are not oral, right?

Honest, I hope I understand.

 

[shel90]

Shel90, Why most school sytems only provide communication language teaching such as spanish and french but not sign language?...How come?

Schools are starting to adopt ASL into the curriculm. The state has to recognize it as a foreign language first. However, even if that has happened, if the schools still dont offer ASL classes, there could be various reasons...the policies set forth at particular school districts, budget limits, or a shortage of qualified ASL teachers.

 

[Angel]

Schools are starting to adopt ASL into the curriculm. The state has to recognize it as a foreign language first. However, even if that has happened, if the schools still dont offer ASL classes, there could be various reasons...the policies set forth at particular school districts, budget limits, or a shortage of qualified ASL teachers.

I'm not only speaking of ASL but other foreign sign languages too such as French, British, Germany etc, if we are taught to speak foreign languages in public schools then what about sign language for those who can not speak?...

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I don't know about other parents. But I know that I did check out all the other options including ASL/Deaf culture, TC, CUED speech, and oral education. I know that I made an informed decision. I know that the philosphy of letting you child choice does not work with implants. Either you are going to do them at a young age or just forget about it. I just learned that some implant centers will not implant after age of 3 unless there is some strong reason.

And, what about those parents who do not check out any other options other than CI and oral methods? Are they not fulfillingtheir full resposnibilities, as well?

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Cheri
so let me understand you correctly and rocker this is nothing against but because rocker did what you think is right does that mean it is right just because of what.

Yes, because his daughter was raised not to be involvement in the deaf culture, and that's the problem with parents only looking out for themselves instead of their own child's welfare and that's ridiculous.

Take a good look at rockdrummer for an example, his son has a cochlear implant and he involves his son in both worlds, that's why you see less bashing onto rockdrummer because he made the right choice he did it for his son.

 

[jag]

A bit of a correction. He suggested that she take ASL classes to fulfill her college foreign language requirement. And he also stated that she has made deaf signing friends since high school, and uses her new found language capabilities to communicate with them.

My recolection is he said that when she was in her teens he signed her up for classes and she refused to take them at that time. She then decided to take the classes when she went to college.

 

[jag]

I'm not only speaking of ASL but other foreign sign languages too such as French, British, Germany etc, if we are taught to speak foreign languages in public schools then what about sign language for those who can not speak?...

I doubt you'll get forgein sign languages taught a second lanugage since it seem to be hard enough to get just plain ole ASL into the curriculum. I do know that the hs in the large city near me has had an asl class since before my oldest graduated in the mid ninties. In that class all the was really taught was finger spelling, not sure if it was concidered a second language though, since it was my daughters friends school and not ours.

 

[Jolie77]

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