a Deaf view on CI -- video

[jillio]

Yes, because his daughter was raised not to be involvement in the deaf culture, and that's the problem with parents only looking out for themselves instead of their own child's welfare and that's ridiculous.

Take a good look at rockdrummer for an example, his son has a cochlear implant and he involves his son in both worlds, that's why you see less bashing onto rockdrummer because he made the right choice he did it for his son.

I agree. It is obvious from rd's posts that he is asking questions and making a sincere effort to understand from all sides. I admire him for the time and effort he puts into trying to get information and the respect the shows for the deaf viewpoint.

 

[neecy]

Yes, because his daughter was raised not to be involvement in the deaf culture, and that's the problem with parents only looking out for themselves instead of their own child's welfare and that's ridiculous.

Take a good look at rockdrummer for an example, his son has a cochlear implant and he involves his son in both worlds, that's why you see less bashing onto rockdrummer because he made the right choice he did it for his son.

But you are just automatically assuming that accessibility to the deaf world is a simple thing for everybody. That's not the case. Take my situation into consideration - we lived more than 500 miles away from the nearest "deaf community." It wasn't that my parents didn't want me to socialize with other deaf people or were preventing me from getting to know the deaf community - simple logistics of location prevented that. It wasn't done intentionally and you can't just assume that a family who doesn't expose their deaf child to the deaf community is doing so because of an ulterior motive.

 

[jillio]

But you are just automatically assuming that accessibility to the deaf world is a simple thing for everybody. That's not the case. Take my situation into consideration - we lived more than 500 miles away from the nearest "deaf community." It wasn't that my parents didn't want me to socialize with other deaf people or were preventing me from getting to know the deaf community - simple logistics of location prevented that. It wasn't done intentionally and you can't just assume that a family who doesn't expose their deaf child to the deaf community is doing so because of an ulterior motive.

Rick48 lives in New York. Exposure would not be a problem.

 

[neecy]

perhaps he does, Jillio but the fact remains - what gives you, or I or anybody else the right to question the way a child is raised, as long as they are healthy and happy? My neighbor lets her kids stay up till 11pm (they're 5 year old twins) I think its unhealthy. My best friend's son smokes (he's just a teenager) and she allows it. My brother tends to make excuses too often with regards to my nephew's behavior problems.....every parent parents differently. I think you definitely have the right to say what you want, but nobody should expect parents who honestly in their hearts, believe they are doing the best they can for their children, just change their ways of parenting to appease those who don't agree with them. While I support speech & sign together, I will not condone somebody who teaches ASL only, or speech only. That's their choice - would you go next door and tell your neighbors how to raise their children? I doubt it.

 

[jillio]

perhaps he does, Jillio but the fact remains - what gives you, or I or anybody else the right to question the way a child is raised, as long as they are healthy and happy? My neighbor lets her kids stay up till 11pm (they're 5 year old twins) I think its unhealthy. My best friend's son smokes (he's just a teenager) and she allows it. My brother tends to make excuses too often with regards to my nephew's behavior problems.....every parent parents differently. I think you definitely have the right to say what you want, but nobody should expect parents who honestly in their hearts, believe they are doing the best they can for their children, just change their ways of parenting to appease those who don't agree with them. While I support speech & sign together, I will not condone somebody who teaches ASL only, or speech only. That's their choice - would you go next door and tell your neighbors how to raise their children? I doubt it.

I was simply replying to your assertion that Deaf Culture is not always available. In the case that was being discussed, this simply is not true, and therefore, not jsutification for non-involvement, or for restriction to an oral only environment. Will I tell a parent how to raise their child. Definately not. Will I continue to advocate for the educational needs of deaf children? I most certainly will. And those needs involve full exposure to language in both the home and the educational environment.

 

[Cheri]

neecy-- I'm so tired of you making excuses for those parents, You always seem to look at one-side of the hearings view instead of deaf views is that because you no longer consider yourself "deaf"? I got news for you, You're deaf no matter how you look at it.

I'm pointing out the fact--neecy there are SOME hearing parents out there who shut their deaf child out of the deaf community, not ONLY because there's no deaf community near them. About 90% of the deaf population has hearing parents, not all of those parents exposed their deaf children in the deaf community. And the sad fact that some hearing parents that don't learn to use sign language with their deaf children, why?? cuz there's no sign language classes?? They could order sign language books. This even start to doubt if their parents really love them for who they are as being deaf. I've seen some hearing parents raise their deaf child to be "normal" This is true that some hearing parent's are not willing to accept their deaf child as being deaf.

It's the hard fact truth, neecy it's time to stop seeing things you don't want to see.

 

[rick48]

He also said he signed her up for classes when she was a teen and she refused to go. so yes at that time she was not interested in ASL or deaf culture. Yes now in college she is learning sign but then my older daughters all took sign when they went off to college to. It happens, exactly how 'immersed' in the culture his daughter becomes will be her decision. I really don't see a need to get all worked up about how Rick raised his child. It was their choice. , tell me how would his family have been excepted by Deaf culture back in 1991 or so? So why would one keep banging ones head against a wall when the child is doing fine without the culture? Every family makes the decision on how to raise their child deaf or not, none of us need to agree completely with how one raises their child. As long as one is not abusing the child its not our business.

Jag,

Thanks, I agree with you as you have made some very valid points. As to those getting "worked up", its just the same 2-3 anti-ci people saying the same old stuff over and over again.
Rick

 

[Angel]

It is a fact that most deaf people do not grow up within deaf culture, I know I didn't but I still sign whether or not I haven't socializing with deaf people as often as I would like to, so whether or not we may live thousands of miles away from the deaf community, still we shouldn't stop using or learning signs just because of that reason, the child is still deaf, do it for your child not for anyone else....

 

[rick48]

Clarification.....the ORAL deaf community,which is really a subset of the hearing community, not of the Deaf community."


Intersting a hearing person telling the deaf how they should view themselves and how they should identify themselves...very audist and condescending but then, that is Jillio.

"Kind of like those who claim that parents who choose to leave the implantation decision to the deaf individual are accused by you of being neglectful and irresponsible intheir parenting?

Sorry but again you have distorted what I wrote but then, that is Jillio, resorting to lies just to argue for the sake of arguing. Sorry that your jealousy of parents of successfully implanted children gets the better of you everytime.

 

[Cheri]

. As to those getting "worked up", its just the same 2-3 anti-ci people saying the same old stuff over and over again.
Rick

We aren't getting "worked up" we were just stating the fact while you don't have the gut to state the truth, Rick.

I'm not being anti-ci if I was I would be against cochlear implant in adults also.

 

[rick48]

Yes, because his daughter was raised not to be involvement in the deaf culture, and that's the problem with parents only looking out for themselves instead of their own child's welfare and that's ridiculous.

Take a good look at rockdrummer for an example, his son has a cochlear implant and he involves his son in both worlds, that's why you see less bashing onto rockdrummer because he made the right choice he did it for his son.

Exactly what gives you the right to judge my wife and I? Who are you? Other than being an ignorant jerk, what, if anything do you know about how we raised our daughter? You talk about looking out for our own interrests, funny but my wife put her career on hold to dedicate all her time and effort to our daughter but that means nothing to the likes of you because we did not use ASL. What a jerk you are!

All you did was just prove how right our decision was not to expose our children to ignorant, bigoted people like yourself deaf or otherwise. Thank God for the oral deaf community.

That my daughter grew up knowing wonderful deaf adults who were and still are loving and caring and giving people is something you deem a "problem" just demonstrates that you are an ignorant fool.

I guess I will get banned yet again by the moderators but of course your insults of my wife and I will be tolerated by the moderators.

To quote the immortal words of Daffy Duck: So long suckers!

 

[Angel]

Jag,

Thanks, I agree with you as you have made some very valid points. As to those getting "worked up", its just the same 2-3 anti-ci people saying the same old stuff over and over again.
Rick

Umm.. being an anti-CI has nothing to do with this, we are not talking about the implant itself , we are currently talking about the use of ASL to communicate with their deaf child because it seem to me parents are not using all the opportunity for their deaf child, perhaps it's because some parents here thinks ASL is no longer needed, why? because they feel that it's delaying their deaf child's speech and language skills, but to me access to spoken lanuage and ASL is the key in the child's development and the greatest and most fundamental gift you can give your deaf child is to provide ALL TOOLS!!!

 

[jillio]

neecy-- I'm so tired of you making excuses for those parents, You always seem to look at one-side of the hearings view instead of deaf views is that because you no longer consider yourself "deaf"? I got news for you, You're deaf no matter how you look at it.

I'm pointing out the fact--neecy there are SOME hearing parents out there who shut their deaf child out of the deaf community, not ONLY because there's no deaf community near them. About 90% of the deaf population has hearing parents, not all of those parents exposed their deaf children in the deaf community. And the sad fact that some hearing parents that don't learn to use sign language with their deaf children, why?? cuz there's no sign language classes?? They could order sign language books. This even start to doubt if their parents really love them for who they are as being deaf. I've seen some hearing parents raise their deaf child to be "normal" This is true that some hearing parent's are not willing to accept their deaf child as being deaf.

It's the hard fact truth, neecy it's time to stop seeing things you don't want to see.

So true. How else do you account for the number of deaf children who become adults and make statements such as, "When I finally found the Deaf/deaf cummunity as an adult and learned ASL, I felt as if I was coming home."

 

[jillio]

Sorry but again you have distorted what I wrote but then, that is Jillio, resorting to lies just to argue for the sake of arguing. Sorry that your jealousy of parents of successfully implanted children gets the better of you everytime.

didn't distort anything. You have stated in a number of posts that you have exposed your dauighter to other oral deaf. And, you have cited places such as theA.G. Bell convention as the place of exposure. I am simply clarifying. However, if you did mean the signing Deaf communiity, and you have exposed your daughter to both sign and signing deaf since her diagnosis, then please, by all means, tell us so.

 

[jillio]

Exactly what gives you the right to judge my wife and I? Who are you? Other than being an ignorant jerk, what, if anything do you know about how we raised our daughter? You talk about looking out for our own interrests, funny but my wife put her career on hold to dedicate all her time and effort to our daughter but that means nothing to the likes of you because we did not use ASL. What a jerk you are!

All you did was just prove how right our decision was not to expose our children to ignorant, bigoted people like yourself deaf or otherwise. Thank God for the oral deaf community.

That my daughter grew up knowing wonderful deaf adults who were and still are loving and caring and giving people is something you deem a "problem" just demonstrates that you are an ignorant fool.

I guess I will get banned yet again by the moderators but of course your insults of my wife and I will be tolerated by the moderators.

To quote the immortal words of Daffy Duck: So long suckers!

Wow! Getting a bit defensive? And, once agian, let's clarify....ORAL deaf adults, such as those encountered at A.G. Bell conferences.

 

[Cheri]

Exactly what gives you the right to judge my wife and I? Who are you? Other than being an ignorant jerk, what, if anything do you know about how we raised our daughter? You talk about looking out for our own interrests, funny but my wife put her career on hold to dedicate all her time and effort to our daughter but that means nothing to the likes of you because we did not use ASL. What a jerk you are!

All you did was just prove how right our decision was not to expose our children to ignorant, bigoted people like yourself deaf or otherwise. Thank God for the oral deaf community.

That my daughter grew up knowing wonderful deaf adults who were and still are loving and caring and giving people is something you deem a "problem" just demonstrates that you are an ignorant fool.

I guess I will get banned yet again by the moderators but of course your insults of my wife and I will be tolerated by the moderators.

To quote the immortal words of Daffy Duck: So long suckers!

Jerk? I never heard anyone would ever called a female "a jerk" now that's hilarious

If you were such a loving and caring father You would have given your daughter all opportunities, but unfortunately you did not. Now who's the ignorant fool?

 

[rick48]

Jerk? I never heard anyone would ever called a female "a jerk" now that's hilarious

If you were such a loving and caring father You would have given your daughter all opportunities, but unfortunately you did not. Now who's the ignorant fool?

If you understood the meaning of the word "jerk" then you would know that it is not gender specific but not knowing that plus the fact that we have indeed given our daughter the opportunities to be all that she chooses to be only proves you are truly both a jerk and an ignorant fool to boot!

A true doubleheader.

You can sit at your computer and type all your little insults about me that you want but I have raised a daughter who is living and loving proof that you are wrong and that you are clueless.

 

[jillio]

If you understood the meaning of the word "jerk" then you would know that it is not gender specific but not knowing that plus the fact that we have indeed given our daughter the opportunities to be all that she chooses to be only proves you are truly both a jerk and an ignorant fool to boot!

A true doubleheader.

How does it feel to be in the minority, rick? Looks like the deaf perspective out numbers the hearing perspective around here. Cool.....a little role reversal going on.

And, if you were as open minded and free thinking as you claim to be, you would give a little more credence to what the deaf tell you about deafness, rather than adopting the same old audist attitude of knowing more about deafness than those who live with it pon a daily basis.

 

[shel90]

So true. How else do you account for the number of deaf children who become adults and make statements such as, "When I finally found the Deaf/deaf cummunity as an adult and learned ASL, I felt as if I was coming home."

Oh gosh, I could count over 50 or so deaf/hoh that I have met in the past 10 years who have felt exactly the same way.

 

[deafskeptic]

Oh gosh, I could count over 50 or so deaf/hoh that I have met in the past 10 years who have felt exactly the same way.

I've met so many that I've lost count.