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Interesting to "speculate" as to why the other 35 million people with a hearing loss don't learn ASL?

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drphil said:
Interesting to "speculate" as to why the other 35 million people with a hearing loss don't learn ASL?

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Maybe they aren't aware of it. Maybe they don't feel the need. Maybe they are still young enough that their parents are not allowing them the freedom to learn. Maybe they can't afford the classes.
 
drphil said:
Interesting to "speculate" as to why the other 35 million people with a hearing loss don't learn ASL?

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THey are probably late deafened with strong ties to the hearing world.
 
deafgal001 said:
Used to be many more deaf people in the past, but we have vaccines now. there are only a few few non-genetic diseases that can cause deafness exist today. One of the I can think of is meningitis. The rest is usually due to genetic or
Presbycusis
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Yes, some became deaf cause of a rubella epidemic back then during the 1960's.
 
That is correct-no cure for deafness. Now what- to deal with the "happening"? Hearing aids/Cochlear Implants or ASL Or become a hermit where hearing doesn't appear to matter? One's free life choice!

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faire_jour said:
So that is a rather small minority. 1:36-70
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lol, you doing this shit again... Why putting ASL down? Especially when you are taking classes and stuff....
Big part of me feels like you arent using it at home... And using a bunch of smokescreen here...

Now, the actual ratio is about 1 in 5 for these below 65 that has hearing loss.
Note: I didn't use "Deaf". I used Hearing Loss. Big difference.

And if you are watching these forums.... and see it in real life.... you can see MANY oral users picking up ASL right now... There is a reason for that.


Now FJ - I'm going to hold you on this fine line... Trip it - I'll take care of it.
 
posts from hell said:
lol, you doing this shit again... Why putting ASL down? Especially when you are taking classes and stuff....
Big part of me feels like you arent using it at home... And using a bunch of smokescreen here...

Now, the actual ratio is about 1 in 5 for these below 65 that has hearing loss.
Note: I didn't use "Deaf". I used Hearing Loss. Big difference.

And if you are watching these forums.... and see it in real life.... you can see MANY oral users picking up ASL right now... There is a reason for that.


Now FJ - I'm going to hold you on this fine line... Trip it - I'll take care of it.
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I personally think she is feeling resentful.
 
There's alot more people who use ASL than we realize. I don't live in a big city but everywhere I go, I always see someone signing, or people signing to me once they find out that I'm deaf. I had to politely tell them I grew up without ASL so I don't know it well yet. I could let them continue signing, if it wasn't at my doctor's office, or I wasn't purchasing anything... or just general important stuffs where I need clear communication so I know what's going on.
 
deafgal001 said:
There's alot more people who use ASL than we realize. I don't live in a big city but everywhere I go, I always see someone signing, or people signing to me once they find out that I'm deaf. I had to politely tell them I grew up without ASL so I don't know it well yet. I could let them continue signing, if it wasn't at my doctor's office, or I wasn't purchasing anything... or just general important stuffs where I need clear communication so I know what's going on.
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Yeah, it's everywhere, really..
 
posts from hell said:
I don't get it either...
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Ok, even if I take your ration 1:5. That means that 4 out of 5 don't. The reason I point this out? Because I was fed the line that continues here every day, that in order for a person with a hearing loss to be successful they MUST have ASL as their primary, first and native language. I was told that oral kids are almost never successful and always end up learning ASL and joining the Deaf community. That isn't true. ASL doesn't fix everything, it still has cons, and there are plenty of kids AND adults who choose not to use ASL and instead prefer spoken language. ASL is wonderful, super useful and provides visual input that is 100% accessible. But spoken language is great and useful too. One is not better than the other...either way.
 
faire_jour said:
Ok, even if I take your ration 1:5. That means that 4 out of 5 don't. The reason I point this out? Because I was fed the line that continues here every day, that in order for a person with a hearing loss to be successful they MUST have ASL as their primary, first and native language. I was told that oral kids are almost never successful and always end up learning ASL and joining the Deaf community. That isn't true. ASL doesn't fix everything, it still has cons, and there are plenty of kids AND adults who choose not to use ASL and instead prefer spoken language. ASL is wonderful, super useful and provides visual input that is 100% accessible. But spoken language is great and useful too. One is not better than the other...either way.
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You've missed the point by a continent........ wow.

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I'll be nice and put it here.

The reason we're preaching ASL is mostly for SOCIAL fulfillment. That is the BIGGEST reason we're preaching it. The second biggest is that it's actually accessible and visual which is what most deaf people minds are wired for.

I don't see anyone telling us that for us to be successful, we have to have ASL...

Big difference.
 
faire_jour said:
Ok, even if I take your ration 1:5. That means that 4 out of 5 don't. The reason I point this out? Because I was fed the line that continues here every day, that in order for a person with a hearing loss to be successful they MUST have ASL as their primary, first and native language. I was told that oral kids are almost never successful and always end up learning ASL and joining the Deaf community. That isn't true. ASL doesn't fix everything, it still has cons, and there are plenty of kids AND adults who choose not to use ASL and instead prefer spoken language. ASL is wonderful, super useful and provides visual input that is 100% accessible. But spoken language is great and useful too. One is not better than the other...either way.
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Being deaf and having to have intensive speech therapy to articulate speech and to talk just so we can to conform to the convenience of a majority (often this was imposed on us, it was not a choice) doesn't end there. I speak well enough that few in the hearing world know that I am severely-deaf. I had become an expert at piecing together the puzzle of words, an expert at fooling people I could hear by reading more than just lips, but also facial expressions and body language and the surrounds. Yet, even after 47 years of being totally immersed in the hearing world, being the only deaf in a hearing family, married to a hearing man, all my 7 children are hearing, not having any exposure to sign language or the Deaf community until last year, I still struggle to articulate some words. It is still an huge effort to talk for any length of time. It tires me immensely and it strains my throat to the point of hurting. Why should we need to be oral when sign language can be made readily available to us? I resent the fact I was not given the knowledge or opportunity to learn sign language at an early age for it to be my first and primary language. I cannot understand why you think you have the right to advocate for oralism.
 
BecLak said:
Being deaf and having to have intensive speech therapy to articulate speech and to talk just so we can to conform to the convenience of a majority (often this was imposed on us, it was not a choice) doesn't end there. I speak well enough that few in the hearing world know that I am severely-deaf. I had become an expert at piecing together the puzzle of words, an expert at fooling people I could hear by reading more than just lips, but also facial expressions and body language and the surrounds. Yet, even after 47 years of being totally immersed in the hearing world, being the only deaf in a hearing family, married to hearing man, all my 7 children are hearing, not having any exposure to sign language or the Deaf community until last year, I still struggle to articulate some words. It is still an huge effort to talk for any length of time. It tires me immensely and it strains my throat to the point of hurting. Why should we need to be oral when sign language can be readily available to us? I resent the fact I was not given the knowledge or opportunity. I cannot understand why you think you have the right to advocate for oralism.
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Very well said. "Nothing for us without us" should be the slogan here. Let the deaf/Deaf decide their needs. They are the ones living with the deafness.
 
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I think that nearly everyone on this forum advocates for or appreciates the value of ASL. I've not seen many ( if any) oral-only advocates in the past few years.

One key question to ask is why are these 4 out of 5 deaf people NOT using ASL.
 
GrendelQ said:
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I think that nearly everyone on this forum advocates for or appreciates the value of ASL. I've not seen many ( if any) oral-only advocates in the past few years.

One key question to ask is why are these 4 out of 5 deaf people NOT using ASL.
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I have read this thread and find the numbers totally bizarre. Where the heck do they come from???? I have met thousands upon thousands of deaf people and can truly say that the number of those who didn't know or use sign language number less than the fingers on my hands. Am I missing something???
 
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