A cochlear implant story

Exactly how is that bridging the gap, fuzzy? You still haven't explained it, or is it that you do not understand the question? Cloggy has also stated "when all else fails, we will perhaps use sign." He has stated that he and his wife's signing skills do not test past the rudimentary level.
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And how exactly are YOU contributing to the bridging the gap- by constant putting down those who disagree with you? by reverting to personal insults sorta "crack pipe", and criticizing one's English? is that what you call contribution?
yeah, tell me - what is bridging the gap, exactly? kissing some people's here butts badly, no matter if they are right or wrong - just deaf?


IS THIS FINGER POINTING BRIDGING THE GAP????? ::::
He has stated that he and his wife's signing skills do not test past the rudimentary level.
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btw, you could have said simply "bridging the gap is only by learning ASL".

And anyway - SO WHAT ????? They don't have to sign to raise Lotte a happy, confident child, that's one, and to "bridge the gap" - that's two.
According to you, the whole world then needs to learn ASL in order to "bridge the gap" between hearing and deaf. yeah, sure...:ugh3:


Fuzzy
 
jillio said:
..........He has stated that he and his wife's signing skills do not test past the rudimentary level. .........
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I have stated that my wife has a degree in sign language. She studied it in the time when Lotte got used to CI.....

But I'm sure that when you read that, you dismissed it.... I'm not surprised...

Just want to make sure that your lie is addressed.

An apology will be accepted....


jillio said:
........But that aside, it would appear that cloggy has actualyy widened the gap by refusing to give credence tothe experience of the deaf posters, or to any heaing poster that points out the fallicies in his arguments.

How is explaining how CI works when engaged in a duscussion of the psychological, social, and educational consequences of sign language denied bridging a gap? It is diverting an issue, and offering information that is unrelated. ........
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Ah... Explaining how CI works... is actually very important, especially when people like you are sending out misinformation about "drilling into the skull"...

And what is this about "psychological, social, and educational consequences of sign language denied" ... how is you scaring people into believing that that is going to happen "no matter what" considered "briding a gap".

You negative view on children that are succesful with is actually the factor that is widening the gap. Because, instead of asking how it is that many children are succesful with CI, asking the parents that have experienced it, and are experiencing it, YOU go out of your way to focus on the "CI-kids" (your termonology, not mine) that you "help".
In order to help these children with CI, you might want to have a look at children that are succesfull.

I agree.... they are so hard to find..... since you will not notice that they have a CI. Because.... they are children first.

In the mean time, stop widening the bridge, and start stretching out to the other side...

It is the children with CI that need our help. Not CI-kids.
 
Originally Posted by jillio
..........He has stated that he and his wife's signing skills do not test past the rudimentary level. .........

I have stated that my wife has a degree in sign language. She studied it in the time when Lotte got used to CI.....
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oh.. ooops!

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
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According to you, the whole world then needs to learn ASL in order to "bridge the gap" between hearing and deaf. yeah, sure...:ugh3:
Fuzzy
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That's RIGHT!!! to bridge the gap between the hearing and deaf they must learn sign language in order to....
 
Angel said:
Are you trying to tell us that Cloggy and his wife does not sign ?....:hmm:
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She's right... we don't (any more)

We only use it when her CI is off. Lotte however, does not use it at all. She'll use her voice.
 
Cloggy said:
She's right... we don't (any more)

We only use it when her CI is off. She however, does not use it at all. She'll use her voice.
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First you stated, " we don't ( not anymore ) then you said " We only use it when her CI is off "....


So which is it, you do not sign anymore or you do sometimes? then explain to me WHY you voted "you use sign language and speak?"....
 
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Cloggy said:
She's right... we don't (any more)

We only use it when her CI is off. Lotte however, does not use it at all. She'll use her voice
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So, You just flat out decide it's not even in needed to use it anymore because of that Lotte uses her voice? :ugh:
 
Angel said:
First you stated, " we don't ( not anymore ) then you said " We only use it when her CI is off "....

So which is it, you do not sign anymore or you do sometimes? then explain to me WHY you voted "you use sign language and speak?"....
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Which is it... OK... She wears her CI 99% of the time when she's awake. The 1% is divided into playing by herself, and part is us telling her to get out of the bathtub, get out of the shower or to go to sleep..
To me - that is more "we don't use it" then "we use it".

What is it then according to you... Do we use it - or not?
 
Perhaps I need to extend the remark in order to clear up some misunderstanding... (See the bold)
Sorry that was not clear...
Originally Posted by Cloggy
We only use it when her CI is off. Lotte however, does not use it at all. She'll use her voice when we are signing to her.
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Cheri said:
So, You just flat out decide it's not even in needed to use it anymore because of that Lotte uses her voice? :ugh:
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Eh... the child chooses NOT to use sign back, but speak, when we use sign to her. (in the very few instances we do..)
Eh...
What is your question again.??:ugh:
 
Cloggy said:
Eh... the child chooses NOT to use sign back, but speak, when we use sign to her. (in the very few instances we do..)
Eh...
What is your question again.??:ugh:
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I did not sign back to my parents, I spoke too, but that doesn't mean they should drop sign language but they did. Big mistake...

I am so glad my hearing sister remembers her signs and still using signs as of today. Now who cares about me the most? My parents or my sister, I would say my sister.
 
Cheri said:
I did not sign back to my parents, I spoke too, but that doesn't mean they should drop sign language but they did. Big mistake...

I am so glad my hearing sister remembers her signs and still using signs as of today. Now who cares about me the most? My parents or my sister, I would say my sister.
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Eh... You realise Lotte can hear? You couldn't!

And "Big mistake"??? Your sister learned her sign probably from you. Your parents were probably advised not to use sign, and they did that because they cared about you.

When you learned sign... where you living at home with your parents...
 
Cloggy said:
Eh... You realise Lotte can hear? You couldn't!
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How the hell do you know what I could hear? I lost my hearing slowly throughout the years, so don't even think u know me Cloggy, You don't. And second of all what does this have to do with the ability to hear? passing judgments? I think you are.

nd "Big mistake"??? Your sister learned her sign probably from you. Your parents were probably advised not to use sign, and they did that because they cared about you.

When you learned sign... where you living at home with your parents...
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My sister took the same sign language course as my parents did I've also taught my sister more, They were advised to learn signs by one teacher who knew so much about the deaf culture, and the deaf community.
 
Cloggy said:
Which is it... OK... She wears her CI 99% of the time when she's awake. The 1% is divided into playing by herself, and part is us telling her to get out of the bathtub, get out of the shower or to go to sleep..
To me - that is more "we don't use it" then "we use it".

What is it then according to you... Do we use it - or not?
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It does not matter how many percent of times she wears her CI, the point is it takes away invaluable time from acquiring a true language in a natural process..CI children will always be deaf and to help them embrace deaf identity is to use both tools...The big part of me will never understand why there are people out there who would choose NOT to expose ASL to their deaf children just because they can hear so well with their implants...


What bothers me the most is when hearing parents who want the best for this kids are willing to turn a blind eye to the benefits of teaching or still teaching their deaf children sign language....
 
Angel said:
It does not matter how many percent of times she wears her CI, the point is it takes away invaluable time from acquiring a true language in a natural process..CI children will always be deaf and to help them embrace deaf identity is to use both tools...The big part of me will never understand why there are people out there who would choose NOT to expose ASL to their deaf children just because they can hear so well with their implants...


What bothers me the most is when hearing parents who want the best for this kids are willing to turn a blind eye to the benefits of teaching or still teaching their deaf children sign language....
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:gpost:!!
 
Angel said:
It does not matter how many percent of times she wears her CI, the point is it takes away invaluable time from acquiring a true language in a natural process..CI children will always be deaf and to help them embrace deaf identity is to use both tools...The big part of me will never understand why there are people out there who would choose NOT to expose ASL to their deaf children just because they can hear so well with their implants...

What bothers me the most is when hearing parents who want the best for this kids are willing to turn a blind eye to the benefits of teaching or still teaching their deaf children sign language....
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Why does she need sign-language?
Why is there a need to embrace Deaf culture. It might not even be available.

And really, what are the benefits to learning sign language next to learning to speak Dutch and Norwegian. Sure, another language is nice to have, but our decisions have never benn based on "nice to have". On the contrairy..
 
Originally Posted by Angel View Post
First you stated, " we don't ( not anymore ) then you said " We only use it when her CI is off "....

So which is it, you do not sign anymore or you do sometimes? then explain to me WHY you voted "you use sign language and speak?"....
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Cloggy said:
Which is it... OK... She wears her CI 99% of the time when she's awake. The 1% is divided into playing by herself, and part is us telling her to get out of the bathtub, get out of the shower or to go to sleep..
To me - that is more "we don't use it" then "we use it".

What is it then according to you... Do we use it - or not?
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Angel... I guessed you didn't see my question...

Do we use sign - or not?
 
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