8.9 quake in Japan triggers massive tsunamis

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Steinhauer said:
A lot of them volunteer in humanitarian aid.
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um..... no. their primary job as DoD contractor is certainly not for humanitarian aid.
 
Jiro said:
um..... no. their primary job as DoD contractor is certainly not for humanitarian aid.
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I could write a literal book on how that statement is wrong ... but I know how much you enjoy arguing futile points ;)


I will leave you with this example. An informant was found out by the Al Quada, they threatened his children and his wife. These particular DoD contractors went out of their way to relocate the informant and his family.

That, my friend, is humanitarian aid.
 
Steinhauer said:
I could write a literal book on how that statement is wrong ... but I know how much you enjoy arguing futile points ;)
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feel free to do so.

not to worried right now since your credibility is pretty much shot. :wave:
 
Steinhauer said:
I could write a literal book on how that statement is wrong ... but I know how much you enjoy arguing futile points ;)


I will leave you with this example. An informant was found out by the Al Quada, they threatened his children and his wife. These particular DoD contractors went out of their way to relocate the informant and his family.

That, my friend, is humanitarian aid.
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that DoD contractors you speak of.... did they have military background?
 
Steinhauer said:
Only in your head. Oh, and the cheating teacher's too ;)
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why the insult?

you still avoid my question. I asked if you're relief worker.

and I see a lot of time that you want to go offer your assistance to disaster area. Have you done any humanitarian/relief/emergency/recovery-related work locally? have you received any formal training in it? are you certified and contracted by any humanitarian/relief/emergency/recovery-related organization?

time to stop living your life vicariously. step it up and be the hero. :)
 
Steinhauer said:
...I will leave you with this example. An informant was found out by the Al Quada, they threatened his children and his wife. These particular DoD contractors went out of their way to relocate the informant and his family.

That, my friend, is humanitarian aid.
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Yes, but that's not why they were sent there. Jiro said that the contractors' primary job was not humanitarian aid. That is, they are sent over and paid to do specific work (truck driving, construction, etc.). As individuals, they might get involved with personal humanitarian help. (Unless in your example you are referring to security contractors?)
 
Jiro said:
why the insult?

you still avoid my question. I asked if you're relief worker.

and I see a lot of time that you want to go offer your assistance to disaster area. Have you done any humanitarian/relief/emergency/recovery-related work locally? have you received any formal training in it? are you certified and contracted by any humanitarian/relief/emergency/recovery-related organization?

time to stop living your life vicariously. step it up and be the hero. :)
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Just a tip Jiro. Don't ask someone why they are insulting, then turn around and insult. You will just continue to get insulted.

Yes, I have done relief work before. My parents taught me well, they also have done relief work as well. It has always been locally.

As far as an official document stating I am a volunteer, yes, I have one of those. I don't keep it in a picture frame and show it to everyone.

I can also competently operate heavy machinery, it used to be one of my many jobs. Not many people want to volunteer their time, I am one of those that has some free time to spare and I volunteer to give back to the community. Most people are *required* to have done volunteer work for a degree or some other program or organization they wish to join. I have no such requirements. I give what I can because it is the right thing to do.

It surprises me that anyone would mock people who would give their time freely. I guess your generation just kind of ... sucks.
 
Reba said:
Yes, but that's not why they were sent there. Jiro said that the contractors' primary job was not humanitarian aid. That is, they are sent over and paid to do specific work (truck driving, construction, etc.). As individuals, they might get involved with personal humanitarian help. (Unless in your example you are referring to security contractors?)
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These individuals were armed DoD contractors. Some of them teach communities how to drill wells and irrigate and etc.
 
Steinhauer said:
Just a tip Jiro. Don't ask someone why they are insulting, then turn around and insult. You will just continue to get insulted.

Yes, I have done relief work before. My parents taught me well, they also have done relief work as well. It has always been locally.

As far as an official document stating I am a volunteer, yes, I have one of those. I don't keep it in a picture frame and show it to everyone.

I can also competently operate heavy machinery, it used to be one of my many jobs. Not many people want to volunteer their time, I am one of those that has some free time to spare and I volunteer to give back to the community. Most people are *required* to have done volunteer work for a degree or some other program or organization they wish to join. I have no such requirements. I give what I can because it is the right thing to do.
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then you should have no problem finding an organization that will go to Japan to help out because based on what you said, you would have known quite a lot of people and connection.

Steinhauer said:
It surprises me that anyone would mock people who would give their time freely. I guess your generation just kind of ... sucks.
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where have I "mock" you? :confused:
 
Steinhauer said:
These individuals were armed DoD contractors. Some of them teach communities how to drill wells and irrigate and etc.
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just so you know.... if one is on humanitarian mission... one is not armed.
 
Jiro said:
then you should have no problem finding an organization that will go to Japan to help out because based on what you said, you would have known quite a lot of people and connection.


where have I "mock" you? :confused:
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Ah ... dude. Your "tone" of voice is loud and clear. I have done all of my volunteer work locally and at the State level. I have never gone foreign.

Like I said, if the need is there and the opportunity, I would pack in a heartbeat. I think it might mean more than a $20 red cross donation. But, thats just me.

The only time I am ever a bleeding heart liberal is when I see families displaced in mass numbers.

gotta go for now.
 
Steinhauer said:
These individuals were armed DoD contractors. Some of them teach communities how to drill wells and irrigate and etc.
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Armed DoD contractors? What was their primary contractual assignment?
 
Steinhauer said:
Ah ... dude. Your "tone" of voice is loud and clear. I have done all of my volunteer work locally and at the State level. I have never gone foreign.

Like I said, if the need is there and the opportunity, I would pack in a heartbeat. I think it might mean more than a $20 red cross donation. But, thats just me.

The only time I am ever a bleeding heart liberal is when I see families displaced in mass numbers.

gotta go for now.
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have I demeaned you? have I insulted you? have I dismissed you?

my tone of voice is telling you to be realistic because you tend to think differently... illogically and irrationally. see my post #588
 
Steinhauer said:
Ah ... dude. Your "tone" of voice is loud and clear. I have done all of my volunteer work locally and at the State level. I have never gone foreign.

Like I said, if the need is there and the opportunity, I would pack in a heartbeat. I think it might mean more than a $20 red cross donation. But, thats just me.

The only time I am ever a bleeding heart liberal is when I see families displaced in mass numbers.

gotta go for now.
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Your heart is in the right place but in international aid there are other considerations and restrictions. The country that needs the aid sets the rules. We can't force them to accept our services.

My best suggestion would be to contact international aid agencies and offer your services. They know whether or not they can use them. They already have the infrastructure in place to make the arrangements.
 
Reba said:
Your heart is in the right place but in international aid there are other considerations and restrictions. The country that needs the aid sets the rules. We can't force them to accept our services.

My best suggestion would be to contact international aid agencies and offer your services. They know whether or not they can use them. They already have the infrastructure in place to make the arrangements.
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I already contacted USAID. They have my contact information if they need my services. :wave:

I have done home construction, remodelling, heavy equipment operation (front end loaders, tractors, etc.) before my college years (and a little bit afterwards too).

Most of the debris is going to have to be moved with heavy machinery then burned/processed.
 
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