2 firefighters shot, killed while battling NY blaze

TXgolfer said:
What is ironic is that one of the things that made the bottom gun "illegal" is the pistol grip which is actually intended as an aid for weaker shooters. Making that grip illegal is unfair to weaker shooters and puts them at a disadvantage IMO.
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The stock changes length to better accommodate shooters with different arm length and the pistol grip allows the shooter better control of the gun for more accuracy and less recoil. The shotgun itself is exactly the same gun with different hardware! Silly or better yet stupid!
 
airportcop said:
Just a note. These are exactly the same guns (barrel & action).
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The top rifle seems to be an M1 while the bottom is an M4. The M1 does not have a lineage back to another gun(M1 Garand) and is fitted with an 18 inch barrel while the M4 is a short version of the M16 and comes with a 14.5 inch barrel.

I could be wrong, but that is how it looks to me.
 
now they are saying they found another body. the shooters sister, but awaiting confirmation on identification.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Actually they are same caliber, but not the same gun, length and cooling would make a difference.

And, as far as the other posts to why he is out of prison, in this case, yes, he should probably not have been let out. However, justice must be fair or it is not justice. Once your time is done it should be done because that is what a civil society is all about.

This sounds like another mental illness situation which prison didn't help. The guy isn't from an organization, he kills a woman in her 90's with a hammer. Mentally ill or not, he's still guilty, but we need to handle these situation better. Should he be off the street, obviously yes.
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VacationGuy234 said:
The top rifle seems to be an M1 while the bottom is an M4. The M1 does not have a lineage back to another gun(M1 Garand) and is fitted with an 18 inch barrel while the M4 is a short version of the M16 and comes with a 14.5 inch barrel.

I could be wrong, but that is how it looks to me.
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no.... they're exactly same. Neither one in the pix is M1 or M4.
 
Reba said:
Appearances can be deceiving.

If a shooter uses it to assault other people, then it's an assault rifle. If a shooter uses it for target shooting, it's a target shooting rifle. If a shooter uses it for self defense, it's a defensive rifle. If a shooter uses it for hunting, it's a hunting rifle. It's the shooter that determines how it's used.

For some psychological reason, it also seems to matter what finish the gun has. People assume a solid black or combat digital camouflage finish is a tactical/SWAT or military weapon but a Mossy Oak, Realtree or natural wood finish conveys a regular hunting gun. Yet, it could be the exact same gun.
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How many bullets does a shooter need to shoot a deer down with a semi-automatic weapon?
 
CrazyPaul said:
How many bullets does a shooter need to shoot a deer down with a semi-automatic weapon?
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Since I don't know every deer hunter and every situation, I can't say.

What is the relevance of your question?
 
diehardbiker said:
Dont forget North Hollywood shoot-out, that was in 1997, and that was during assault rifle ban (including machine guns) only assault rifle took these two scumbags out and it took over an hour with hundreds and hundreds rounds. Miraculously no one got killed except these two scumbags.
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Don't forget about CA has assault weapon ban that passed before federal assault weapon ban, that which is more stricter than federal.
 
Reba said:
Since I don't know every deer hunter and every situation, I can't say.

What is the relevance of your question?
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OK, I just think it's silly to carry a semi-automatic weapon to deer hunting which requires only one bullet to kill a deer. BTW, isn't it legal to use that kind for hunting in some states?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
The top rifle seems to be an M1 while the bottom is an M4. The M1 does not have a lineage back to another gun(M1 Garand) and is fitted with an 18 inch barrel while the M4 is a short version of the M16 and comes with a 14.5 inch barrel.

I could be wrong, but that is how it looks to me.
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Sorry but it is a Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic .22 rifle that comes standard with a 10 round magazine. They have sold countless thousands of them since about 1963-64. Very popular hunting and target plinking rifle. Many different accessories have been invented to use on and with this rifle.
 
CrazyPaul said:
OK, I just think it's silly to carry a semi-automatic weapon to deer hunting which requires only one bullet to kill a deer.
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Not every deer is killed with only one bullet! Have you ever heard of missing or wounding the animal?
 
Single bullet? That's hunter's dream! Veteran hunters with years improves their target over time. Sometimes can take as many as 5 to hit, depending on distance and marksmanship accuracy. Not everyone can hit with one bullet. Dream on!

I used to be sharpshooting, but admit I have been out of practice for a while so my accuracy is now bit off. Will need more practice to get my marksmanship down to accuracy.

There are factors that affects accuracy, for instance 25 yards and 200 yards, scope needs to be adjust to fit the distance, secondly depends on how strong the winds are, the stronger the winds the less chance of accuracy. It is all based on trajectory. No bullet can fly straight forever.

CrazyPaul said:
OK, I just think it's silly to carry a semi-automatic weapon to deer hunting which requires only one bullet to kill a deer. BTW, isn't it legal to use that kind for hunting in some states?
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CrazyPaul said:
OK, I just think it's silly to carry a semi-automatic weapon to deer hunting which requires only one bullet to kill a deer.
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perhaps you should try hunting first before you tell us what to do and what not to do.

CrazyPaul said:
BTW, isn't it legal to use that kind for hunting in some states?
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yes. allowable in many states. again - you still do not understand. I'll repost -

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Jiro said:
perhaps you should try hunting first before you tell us what to do and what not to do.


yes. allowable in many states. again - you still do not understand. I'll repost -

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OK, I am learning... Assault pencils, umm, where is its magazine?
 
A ban is gonna kill my company. Couple million. Invested in making semi auto parts for pistols and rifles, assult type.
 
Jiro said:
you don't know if they had guns legally. chance is not.

gun owner means a person who owned gun legally.
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Actually, he should not have had guns legally under any circumstances. He's a felon, especially of a murderous nature. He is not supposed to have firearms. Some criminal sold him firearms, or friends and family members kept guns for him while he was in prison. Gun shops will get in trouble for selling to convicted felons. The problem was letting the SOB out in the first GD place. Somebody ought to have taken him out when he got out. You know how it goes down.

Too bad it took two firemen to get him to pull the trigger on himself, but he's gone, though. No longer a problem. However, I hope he doesn't come back and do it again.
 
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