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You ever heard of Astrology?
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jillio
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Dude.....relax. All that tension is going to seriously mess with the juxtapostion of your aligned planets and interfere with your Cosmic Consciousness. Laugh a little. The stars will respond.
I'm serious person.. I dont know how to laugh over stupid things...
My birth chart said same thing that I just said..
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Perhaps you should learn to laugh. It will do wonders for your perpective overall.
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jriome na na na na :P
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LOL!
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headless jiro got strawed! 
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Ok, here's something about stars. The tables of astrology signs here gives the sign Aquarius for the range of January 20 to February 18. My birthday is on January 26, so let's see if the sun was in Aquarius on the day I was born.
Here's a picture of the sky on the day I was born seen from the place I was born, shown in the title bar of the program. Wow, all worlds Sun through Pluto were up at once. But look at where the sun is, it's in Capricorn!
To make it clearer, here's another picture with the atmosphere rendering off and focused on the sun at the same moment from the same place. Sure, it's inside the mouth shape of Capricorn. The constellation to the left is Aquarius.
Why is it off by one constellation? It's because those date ranges used in Western astrology were made about 2000 years ago. The constellations are offset now because the Earth's axis is pointing in a different place than where it was thousands of years ago. It's called the precession of the equinoxes. The axis traces out two circles, one in the northern sky and one in the southern sky.
Interestingly, Indian astrology has the date range January 15 to February 12 for Capricorn in that table of astrology signs. They've kept it updated. The date range for when the Sun is within the official borders of Capricorn, which you can see in the sky pictures I linked to, is January 19 to February 16.
Was the Sun ever in Aquarius on January 26th? Yes, it was thousands of years ago. Here's a picture of the Sun there on January 26 2000 years before my birth in the year -16. The program uses the astronomical calendar, which includes the year zero and negative years before that. The year often called 1 BCE is zero in this calendar and 2 BCE is -1 and so on. So year -16 is also 17 BCE. See, the Sun is indeed in Aquarius.
The table of zodiac signs also shows the Sun being in the constellation of Ophiuchus in the range of November 30 to December 18, between Scorpio and Sagittarius. Neither Western nor Indian astrology includes that constellation. Here's a picture showing the Sun in Ophiuchus on December 9th this year with the atmosphere rendering turned off so you can see the stars. The red line is the ecliptic, the path the Sun appears to take through the sky during the year due to Earth's orbit around it.
What causes this? The Earth's equatorial region sticks out due to the planet's rotation. The axis is also tilted and for most of the year, it is not tilted directly towards or away from the Sun or the Moon. So there is differential gravitational influence from the Sun and Moon on different sides of the Earth's equatorial area, causing a torque that moves the axis around in a cycle around 25,800 years long based on current precession rates. It's one reason the 1950 and 2000 coordinates of stars are different, with the global shift of the entire sky due to Earth's precession. There are other cycles on top of that, like a 41,000 year cycle where the axial tilt varies by a few degrees.
There are two points where the ecliptic crosses the celestial equator, the line drawn on the sky directly above the Earth's equator. One of the points is where the Sun is at the Northern hemisphere's vernal equinox, the first day of northern spring. Currently, that point is in Pisces. It had slid around the sky along with the other point due to the precession of the equinoxes described above. Here's a picture of where the vernal equinox point is right now. The red line is the ecliptic and the blue one is the celestial equator. In the past, that point was in Aries and in the future, it will be in Aquarius. Here's a picture of where the point was around 3500, 2500 and 1900 years ago. I got another picture from about 4800 years ago, when the point was way back in Taurus. You can see that the star Thuban in Draco is selected. You'll see why soon. This one is for around 3000 years from now when that point will be past Aquarius in Capricorn.
Of course, if the equinox points are precessing around the sky, the points where the axis point at do too, as shown in the pictures I showed above of the circles traced out by the axis. That means there are different pole stars at different times. This was where Earth's north pole was pointing 2000 years before my birth, in between Ursa Minor and Draco. Around 4800 years ago, the north pole pointed at the star Thuban in Draco. The ancient Egyptians used that as the north star when it was at that position. Of course, they didn't have exactly the same constellations back then. Thuban was the tip of one of the two sticks in the ancient Egyptian Two Poles constellation.
There are astrologers who call the precession cycles Great Years. But the constellations won't be the same after a few of those 25800 year cycles due to the motions of the Sun and the stars themselves. The program can show these motions by linear extrapolation of their current motions, which would be good only within some time range, so the program restricts it to the range of 200,000 years centered on the present.
Here's Gemini at around 50,000 BCE. Pollux, one of the twins' heads was way over in Cancer. Procyon, the bright star of Canis Minor, was up in Cancer too. Sirius was above the celestial equator back then too. Here's the same part of the sky around 50,000 years from now.
Now astrologers often use Uranus, Neptune and Pluto even if they weren't known thousands of years ago. I've read of some use of Chiron, one of the centaurs. There's a larger centaur, Chariklo, that I haven't seen used until I Googled astrological usage of it. There are also the asteroids Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Juno. I wonder if any astrologers will bother to use Eris, Sedna and the many other objects discovered recently in the outer solar system. I used Google to look for such mentions and yes, they were there. If astrology worked, you'd think that their predictions would grow more accurate as they factored in more objects.
Another thing I've thought about is what would happen if you took horoscopes for the different signs and switched them around. Would anyone notice any difference?
Here's a picture of the sky on the day I was born seen from the place I was born, shown in the title bar of the program. Wow, all worlds Sun through Pluto were up at once. But look at where the sun is, it's in Capricorn!
To make it clearer, here's another picture with the atmosphere rendering off and focused on the sun at the same moment from the same place. Sure, it's inside the mouth shape of Capricorn. The constellation to the left is Aquarius.
Why is it off by one constellation? It's because those date ranges used in Western astrology were made about 2000 years ago. The constellations are offset now because the Earth's axis is pointing in a different place than where it was thousands of years ago. It's called the precession of the equinoxes. The axis traces out two circles, one in the northern sky and one in the southern sky.
Interestingly, Indian astrology has the date range January 15 to February 12 for Capricorn in that table of astrology signs. They've kept it updated. The date range for when the Sun is within the official borders of Capricorn, which you can see in the sky pictures I linked to, is January 19 to February 16.
Was the Sun ever in Aquarius on January 26th? Yes, it was thousands of years ago. Here's a picture of the Sun there on January 26 2000 years before my birth in the year -16. The program uses the astronomical calendar, which includes the year zero and negative years before that. The year often called 1 BCE is zero in this calendar and 2 BCE is -1 and so on. So year -16 is also 17 BCE. See, the Sun is indeed in Aquarius.
The table of zodiac signs also shows the Sun being in the constellation of Ophiuchus in the range of November 30 to December 18, between Scorpio and Sagittarius. Neither Western nor Indian astrology includes that constellation. Here's a picture showing the Sun in Ophiuchus on December 9th this year with the atmosphere rendering turned off so you can see the stars. The red line is the ecliptic, the path the Sun appears to take through the sky during the year due to Earth's orbit around it.
What causes this? The Earth's equatorial region sticks out due to the planet's rotation. The axis is also tilted and for most of the year, it is not tilted directly towards or away from the Sun or the Moon. So there is differential gravitational influence from the Sun and Moon on different sides of the Earth's equatorial area, causing a torque that moves the axis around in a cycle around 25,800 years long based on current precession rates. It's one reason the 1950 and 2000 coordinates of stars are different, with the global shift of the entire sky due to Earth's precession. There are other cycles on top of that, like a 41,000 year cycle where the axial tilt varies by a few degrees.
There are two points where the ecliptic crosses the celestial equator, the line drawn on the sky directly above the Earth's equator. One of the points is where the Sun is at the Northern hemisphere's vernal equinox, the first day of northern spring. Currently, that point is in Pisces. It had slid around the sky along with the other point due to the precession of the equinoxes described above. Here's a picture of where the vernal equinox point is right now. The red line is the ecliptic and the blue one is the celestial equator. In the past, that point was in Aries and in the future, it will be in Aquarius. Here's a picture of where the point was around 3500, 2500 and 1900 years ago. I got another picture from about 4800 years ago, when the point was way back in Taurus. You can see that the star Thuban in Draco is selected. You'll see why soon. This one is for around 3000 years from now when that point will be past Aquarius in Capricorn.
Of course, if the equinox points are precessing around the sky, the points where the axis point at do too, as shown in the pictures I showed above of the circles traced out by the axis. That means there are different pole stars at different times. This was where Earth's north pole was pointing 2000 years before my birth, in between Ursa Minor and Draco. Around 4800 years ago, the north pole pointed at the star Thuban in Draco. The ancient Egyptians used that as the north star when it was at that position. Of course, they didn't have exactly the same constellations back then. Thuban was the tip of one of the two sticks in the ancient Egyptian Two Poles constellation.
There are astrologers who call the precession cycles Great Years. But the constellations won't be the same after a few of those 25800 year cycles due to the motions of the Sun and the stars themselves. The program can show these motions by linear extrapolation of their current motions, which would be good only within some time range, so the program restricts it to the range of 200,000 years centered on the present.
Here's Gemini at around 50,000 BCE. Pollux, one of the twins' heads was way over in Cancer. Procyon, the bright star of Canis Minor, was up in Cancer too. Sirius was above the celestial equator back then too. Here's the same part of the sky around 50,000 years from now.
Now astrologers often use Uranus, Neptune and Pluto even if they weren't known thousands of years ago. I've read of some use of Chiron, one of the centaurs. There's a larger centaur, Chariklo, that I haven't seen used until I Googled astrological usage of it. There are also the asteroids Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Juno. I wonder if any astrologers will bother to use Eris, Sedna and the many other objects discovered recently in the outer solar system. I used Google to look for such mentions and yes, they were there. If astrology worked, you'd think that their predictions would grow more accurate as they factored in more objects.
Another thing I've thought about is what would happen if you took horoscopes for the different signs and switched them around. Would anyone notice any difference?
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"Astrology" Keep topic on not point off about fruits!
Hey guys, Please stay on topic not fruits. This is for astrology. If you are talking about fruits then make your own thread.
Hey guys, Please stay on topic not fruits. This is for astrology. If you are talking about fruits then make your own thread.
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Ok, here's something about stars. The tables of astrology signs here gives the sign Aquarius for the range of January 20 to February 18. My birthday is on January 26, so let's see if the sun was in Aquarius on the day I was born.
Here's a picture of the sky on the day I was born seen from the place I was born, shown in the title bar of the program. Wow, all worlds Sun through Pluto were up at once. But look at where the sun is, it's in Capricorn!
To make it clearer, here's another picture with the atmosphere rendering off and focused on the sun at the same moment from the same place. Sure, it's inside the mouth shape of Capricorn. The constellation to the left is Aquarius.
Why is it off by one constellation? It's because those date ranges used in Western astrology were made about 2000 years ago. The constellations are offset now because the Earth's axis is pointing in a different place than where it was thousands of years ago. It's called the precession of the equinoxes. The axis traces out two circles, one in the northern sky and one in the southern sky.
Interestingly, Indian astrology has the date range January 15 to February 12 for Capricorn in that table of astrology signs. They've kept it updated. The date range for when the Sun is within the official borders of Capricorn, which you can see in the sky pictures I linked to, is January 19 to February 16.
Was the Sun ever in Aquarius on January 26th? Yes, it was thousands of years ago. Here's a picture of the Sun there on January 26 2000 years before my birth in the year -16. The program uses the astronomical calendar, which includes the year zero and negative years before that. The year often called 1 BCE is zero in this calendar and 2 BCE is -1 and so on. So year -16 is also 17 BCE. See, the Sun is indeed in Aquarius.
The table of zodiac signs also shows the Sun being in the constellation of Ophiuchus in the range of November 30 to December 18, between Scorpio and Sagittarius. Neither Western nor Indian astrology includes that constellation. Here's a picture showing the Sun in Ophiuchus on December 9th this year with the atmosphere rendering turned off so you can see the stars. The red line is the ecliptic, the path the Sun appears to take through the sky during the year due to Earth's orbit around it.
What causes this? The Earth's equatorial region sticks out due to the planet's rotation. The axis is also tilted and for most of the year, it is not tilted directly towards or away from the Sun or the Moon. So there is differential gravitational influence from the Sun and Moon on different sides of the Earth's equatorial area, causing a torque that moves the axis around in a cycle around 25,800 years long based on current precession rates. It's one reason the 1950 and 2000 coordinates of stars are different, with the global shift of the entire sky due to Earth's precession. There are other cycles on top of that, like a 41,000 year cycle where the axial tilt varies by a few degrees.
There are two points where the ecliptic crosses the celestial equator, the line drawn on the sky directly above the Earth's equator. One of the points is where the Sun is at the Northern hemisphere's vernal equinox, the first day of northern spring. Currently, that point is in Pisces. It had slid around the sky along with the other point due to the precession of the equinoxes described above. Here's a picture of where the vernal equinox point is right now. The red line is the ecliptic and the blue one is the celestial equator. In the past, that point was in Aries and in the future, it will be in Aquarius. Here's a picture of where the point was around 3500, 2500 and 1900 years ago. I got another picture from about 4800 years ago, when the point was way back in Taurus. You can see that the star Thuban in Draco is selected. You'll see why soon. This one is for around 3000 years from now when that point will be past Aquarius in Capricorn.
Of course, if the equinox points are precessing around the sky, the points where the axis point at do too, as shown in the pictures I showed above of the circles traced out by the axis. That means there are different pole stars at different times. This was where Earth's north pole was pointing 2000 years before my birth, in between Ursa Minor and Draco. Around 4800 years ago, the north pole pointed at the star Thuban in Draco. The ancient Egyptians used that as the north star when it was at that position. Of course, they didn't have exactly the same constellations back then. Thuban was the tip of one of the two sticks in the ancient Egyptian Two Poles constellation.
There are astrologers who call the precession cycles Great Years. But the constellations won't be the same after a few of those 25800 year cycles due to the motions of the Sun and the stars themselves. The program can show these motions by linear extrapolation of their current motions, which would be good only within some time range, so the program restricts it to the range of 200,000 years centered on the present.
Here's Gemini at around 50,000 BCE. Pollux, one of the twins' heads was way over in Cancer. Procyon, the bright star of Canis Minor, was up in Cancer too. Sirius was above the celestial equator back then too. Here's the same part of the sky around 50,000 years from now.
Now astrologers often use Uranus, Neptune and Pluto even if they weren't known thousands of years ago. I've read of some use of Chiron, one of the centaurs. There's a larger centaur, Chariklo, that I haven't seen used until I Googled astrological usage of it. There are also the asteroids Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Juno. I wonder if any astrologers will bother to use Eris, Sedna and the many other objects discovered recently in the outer solar system. I used Google to look for such mentions and yes, they were there. If astrology worked, you'd think that their predictions would grow more accurate as they factored in more objects.
Another thing I've thought about is what would happen if you took horoscopes for the different signs and switched them around. Would anyone notice any difference?
Excellent scientific posting. And I doubt seriously that anyone would notice at all. And the believers would still find some minuscule correlation.
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Fruits......astrology.....I definately see the connection!
Seriously? I prefer to be a Libra than a damn orange! LOL