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jillio said:
IQ tests given with an oral component to deaf individuals are notoriously innacurrate. They have been estimated to be off (on the negative side) by an average 0f 15-20 points.

There now has a non-oral IQ test that has been modified and standardized for use with deaf individuals. All parents should be requesting this for any deaf child being tested.
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Oh, I know that. I just take comfort in knowing that I probably would have lost those points by now, since that must be ancient wisdom. :lol:
 
KristinaB said:
That way of speaking is very prevalent in certain areas of Florida. Mostly it is from the low-income black families in the hardest crime riddled neighborhoods. Riviera Beach, which is just north or West Palm Beach would be a good place to find that type of speech. The worst part is, they also write like that.
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Understood. That is why I stated that it was more of an ethnic thing than a Southern thing. Those same speech patterns can be found in the north in that population, as well.
 
jillio said:
IQ tests given with an oral component to deaf individuals are notoriously innacurrate. They have been estimated to be off (on the negative side) by an average 0f 15-20 points.

There now has a non-oral IQ test that has been modified and standardized for use with deaf individuals. All parents should be requesting this for any deaf child being tested.
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Eh? Theres no way i am around 158-163 then.. Einstein was 161.
 
yeah, they gave me oral testing as well. but they stop doing that when I got to middle school, and all were written tests.
 
jillio said:
IQ tests given with an oral component to deaf individuals are notoriously innacurrate. They have been estimated to be off (on the negative side) by an average 0f 15-20 points.

There now has a non-oral IQ test that has been modified and standardized for use with deaf individuals. All parents should be requesting this for any deaf child being tested.
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I understand using a non-verbal test for Deaf people, but why does it need to be modified? Also, shouldn't it be standardized on all people, not just deaf, since deafness does not effect cognition?
 
posts from hell said:
Eh? Theres no way i am around 158-163 then.. Einstein was 161.
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Perhaps you are one of the ones that were able to do well on the oral components of the test. Or perhaps you were given a test that was scored in a standardized way, but differently that the traditional T scores. Or perhaps you would score that high. Don't know without actually testing you.

Keep in mind as well, that in Einstein's day, the IQ tests were not standardized for scoring, and his score may have been low compared to the way it would be scored today.
 
deafgal001 said:
yeah, they gave me oral testing as well. but they stop doing that when I got to middle school, and all were written tests.
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If those written tests had any section pertaining to phonics, word use, etc., those are still considered to be oral components.
 
faire_jour said:
I understand using a non-verbal test for Deaf people, but why does it need to be modified? Also, shouldn't it be standardized on all people, not just deaf, since deafness does not effect cognition?
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I have no idea what you are talking about. The non-verbal test is a modified version of the test that contains oral components. And no, when it is intended for use for specific population, that is the population used to standardize it.
 
jillio said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. The non-verbal test is a modified version of the test that contains oral components. And no, when it is intended for use for specific population, that is the population used to standardize it.
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I thought that all people could have their non-verbal IQ's measured by a non-verbal IQ test, therefore it would need to be normed for all people, not just the deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
I thought that all people could have their non-verbal IQ's measured by a non-verbal IQ test, therefore it would need to be normed for all people, not just the deaf.
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Wrong. You are referring to eliminating sub-sections for testing non-verbal in the hearing population. That is drastically different from modifying and standardizing a test for a specific population.
 
jillio said:
Wrong. You are referring to eliminating sub-sections for testing non-verbal in the hearing population. That is drastically different from modifying and standardizing a test for a specific population.
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My question is why it would need to be standardized on deaf peple. Why would that change anything? I don't understand.
 
faire_jour said:
My question is why it would need to be standardized on deaf peple. Why would that change anything? I don't understand.
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I have already answered that. The test is intended for the deaf population. A test has to be standardized using the population it is intended for. Otherwise, it lacks reliability and validity.
 
jillio said:
I have already answered that. The test is intended for the deaf population. A test has to be standardized using the population it is intended for. Otherwise, it lacks reliability and validity.
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Some people are hard of understanding. :roll:
 
souggy said:
I wouldn't use an English-based IQ test on someone from Africa. I would use the English IQ test on a Finn though.
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There you go. Cultural considerations need to be taken into account, as well as linguistic considerations. For instance, a test standardized on a caucasion population is not valid and reliable for the African American population. It needs to be modified, and the modified version has to be standardized on the intended population. A basic principle of research, testing, and assessment.
 
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