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Oceanbreeze said:
As do I. If it weren't for medical research, I would not be alive.

When I was six years old, I developed a massive systemic infection that affected the shunt I have that filters fluid off my brain. It had to come out because it was killing me slowly. I had developed sepsis and was in a coma. I was given a ZERO chance of survival unless they removed the shunt and replaced it; only problem was there was only a limited amount of places they could divert the fluid to. The shunt was already directing the fluid to my excretory system and that was no longer an option. Fortunately for me, there was an experimental procedure where they replaced my neuro-peritoneal shunt with a neuro-cardiac shunt. In laymen's terms, this is directing the fluid into my bloodstream. At the time, I was only the 5th child to have this procedure. I was also only the third child to survive it. The odds sucks. Two of the children who they had attempted this on were dead. Two were alive, but came out of the surgery brain damaged.

Fast foward 30 yrs or so, I still have the shunt that was placed and I'm doing well. The procedure itself is not real common because it's still considered risky, but it's an option for people when appropriate.

Most of you know how I feel about abortion and my views in general regarding the right to die, but I'm also for medical research. It saves lives. It saved mine.
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:gpost: What a powerful story, OB. Thanks for sharing it.

I could say the same thing about myself. As I've mentioned before, I was born prematurely (I weighed 2 pounds and almost died 3 times). If it were not for biomedical research, what would the chances of my survival been? ZERO. Without the various medications that were given to me while in the NICU to keep me alive, I would have had absolutely *no* hope for survival.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
As do I. If it weren't for medical research, I would not be alive.

When I was six years old, I developed a massive systemic infection that affected the shunt I have that filters fluid off my brain. It had to come out because it was killing me slowly. I had developed sepsis and was in a coma. I was given a ZERO chance of survival unless they removed the shunt and replaced it; only problem was there was only a limited amount of places they could divert the fluid to. The shunt was already directing the fluid to my excretory system and that was no longer an option. Fortunately for me, there was an experimental procedure where they replaced my neuro-peritoneal shunt with a neuro-cardiac shunt. In laymen's terms, this is directing the fluid into my bloodstream. At the time, I was only the 5th child to have this procedure. I was also only the third child to survive it. The odds sucks. Two of the children who they had attempted this on were dead. Two were alive, but came out of the surgery brain damaged.

Fast foward 30 yrs or so, I still have the shunt that was placed and I'm doing well. The procedure itself is not real common because it's still considered risky, but it's an option for people when appropriate.

Most of you know how I feel about abortion and my views in general regarding the right to die, but I'm also for medical research. It saves lives. It saved mine.
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If I remember correctly - this technique of shunting was invented by this black guy who performed experiments on dogs.
 
Hear Again said:
:gpost: What a powerful story, OB. Thanks for sharing it.

I could say the same thing about myself. As I've mentioned before, I was born prematurely (I weighed 2 pounds and almost died 3 times). If it were not for biomedical research, what would the chances of my survival been? ZERO. Without the various medications that were given to me while in the NICU to keep me alive, I would have had absolutely *no* hope for survival.
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Thank you. I feel strongly about certain things. Medical research is one of them because of stories like yours and mine. Without the advances in biomedical research, we simply would not have survived.
 
Medical reasearch which does not need to involve animal testing. Animal testing destroys lives. It doesn't save any. Sure there has been medical advances DESPITE animal testing. Since after they finished testing animals there has to be clinical trials involving research on humnans. Sometimes it goes well. Sometimes it doesn't. I think their would be a lot more advances if animals were withdrawn from the process altogether.
 
Wokamuka said:
I have a new medicine. I'm gonna test it (along with a theory). So, I'm gonna test it on a bunch of animals that, yes, die and survive. I'd learn what works.

You'd prefer that I'd test it on a bunch of humans that, yes, die, and, perhaps, survive? My objective, as a human, is that humans are a priority - above all else.

What is your priority? Animals over humans?
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No. Humans and animals should BOTH have rights. Nobody deserves to be tortured in laboritories. End of story.

It's not as if anything has ever been gained from animal research anyway. Both the Nazi germans and the Japanese used prisoners of war to test things on. Which also helped with medical advancements.

Now there are several new advances. So Animal based research has never been necessary.

We should speak up for those without the ability to speak for themselves.
 
dreama said:
Medical reasearch which does not need to involve animal testing. Animal testing destroys lives. It doesn't save any. Sure there has been medical advances DESPITE animal testing. Since after they finished testing animals there has to be clinical trials involving research on humnans. Sometimes it goes well. Sometimes it doesn't. I think their would be a lot more advances if animals were withdrawn from the process altogether.
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dreama said:
No. Humans and animals should BOTH have rights. Nobody deserves to be tortured in laboritories. End of story.

It's not as if anything has ever been gained from animal research anyway. Both the Nazi germans and the Japanese used prisoners of war to test things on. Which also helped with medical advancements.

Now there are several new advances. So Animal based research has never been necessary.

We should speak up for those without the ability to speak for themselves.
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:noway:
 
dreama said:
Medical reasearch which does not need to involve animal testing. Animal testing destroys lives. It doesn't save any. Sure there has been medical advances DESPITE animal testing. Since after they finished testing animals there has to be clinical trials involving research on humnans. Sometimes it goes well. Sometimes it doesn't. I think their would be a lot more advances if animals were withdrawn from the process altogether.
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SUCH AS...............? If you want to preach that, please come up with some alternative solutions otherwise you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You speak from your emotion, not logic. It never works well to convince people. Please give us an alternative solution.
 
dreama,

What you are debating is an endless circular argument. If there were no animal research, how can medical research be conducted? As I've said in a previous post, we can't experiment on humans because of liability, so how else do you propose we conduct this research?
 
Medical research that does not involve animal testing is *not* medical research. In fact, it's not research at all.
 
Hear Again said:
Medical research that does not involve animal testing is *not* medical research. In fact, it's not research at all.
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That's exactly right. I have no problem sacrificing a monkey if it's going to help mankind. Same with any other animal. I consider medical research a necessary evil.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
That's exactly right. I have no problem sacrificing a monkey if it's going to help mankind. Same with any other animal. I consider medical research a necessary evil.
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Some people who place the rights of animals above humans are the equivalent of PETA members.
 
Hear Again said:
Some people who place the rights of animals above humans are the equivalent of PETA members.
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I guess that's ok. it's their choice. i think we should not be beating on dreama. she has her reason and we have ours. However - I'm just glad that their choice is not recognized by government to create the law.
 
Jiro said:
I guess that's ok. it's their choice. i think we should not be beating on dreama. she has her reason and we have ours. However - I'm just glad that their choice is not recognized by government to create the law.
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True.
 
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