Wisconsin Girls To Be Tried As Adults In Slenderman Attack

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Um, have you ever encountered scheizophernia and psychosis in young children? It is SEVERE. They need to be put into a mental insistution, on a secure children's ward, and when they become adults, they need to be transferred to a secure adult ward.
 
interest history with the slenderman and those missing children through the midwest....spooky stuff
 
"The decision was based on the court’s belief that Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser, who were 12 at the time of the 2014 attack, would not receive long-term mental health treatment if convicted and sentenced in a juvenile court, according to a copy of the decision. "

So we now charge minors as adults because the sentences would not be long enough? That seems more like revenge and not justice...
 
Jezie said:
Childern with adults? Really? How does that seem right to you?
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They have to stay in juvenile until they are 18 so they can be transferred to adult faculty, especially psych ward at women's prison to complete the sentence.

but it is depending on states, anyway.
 
Foxrac said:
They have to stay in juvenile until they are 18 so they can be transferred to adult faculty, especially psych ward at women's prison to complete the sentence.

but it is depending on states, anyway.
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They would be around 14 now... why did you say they should be in women's prison then?
 
Jezie said:
They would be around 14 now... why did you say they should be in women's prison then?
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I clearly saying that both of girls need to be charged with adult crime (I means full charge), not lesser charge like juvenile that where they can get away after 18th birthday.

That what I'm saying. After they are found guilty, so they can send to somewhere that is designated for their age, especially juvenile until 18th so transfer to adult faculty.

It isn't okay to kill someone, no matter if you have mental illness. If you start feel about want hurt or kill someone so time to get admit to hospital.
 
I learned from somewhere, saying that minors (under 18) who are found guilty on adult charge, could housed in adult prison, but depends on states, some states banned under 18 from housed in adult prison, also correctional department may have separate or special procedure to keep adults and minors separated by ward or building.

You have to remember that I'm siding with victim's families in violent crime cases, if they want 2 girls to be adult charge with homicide attempt, that's fine with me. I have no sympathy for anyone committed violent crime that hurt or kill someone, so they should be punished harshly.

but it is unethical to put minors in same ward as adults for safety and environmental reason.

Anyone committed violent crime that hurt or kill someone, have no future at all, beside the prison.
 
Foxrac said:
I clearly saying that both of girls need to be charged with adult crime (I means full charge), not lesser charge like juvenile that where they can get away after 18th birthday.

That what I'm saying. After they are found guilty, so they can send to somewhere that is designated for their age, especially juvenile until 18th so transfer to adult faculty.

It isn't okay to kill someone, no matter if you have mental illness. If you start feel about want hurt or kill someone so time to get admit to hospital.
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Thanks for clearing that up...
Curious though... as a sane person you and I know that killing is bad... but does a person with mental illness know this?
 
Jezie said:
Thanks for clearing that up...
Curious though... as a sane person you and I know that killing is bad... but does a person with mental illness know this?
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Found from article.
In making Wednesday’s decision, the court heard that Geyser has consistently refused to take medication for her illness.
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This girl refuses to take medicine so it is her responsibility to determine whichever is right or wrong, so she got consequence for her action that not supposed to happen if she continue to take treatment for her mental illness.

I don't think that she will get insanity plea, that's extremely rare to obtain, that is reserved for criminal who are in lower IQ that combined with series of mental illness.

When I was 11 years old, I remember about take my medicine everyday before going to school, also parents need to monitor on medicines that child require to take it.
 
Foxrac said:
Found from article.


This girl refuses to take medicine so it is her responsibility to determine whichever is right or wrong, so she got consequence for her action that not supposed to happen if she continue to take treatment for her mental illness.

I don't think that she will get insanity plea, that's extremely rare to obtain, that is reserved for criminal who are in lower IQ that combined with series of mental illness.

When I was 11 years old, I remember about take my medicine everyday before going to school, also parents need to monitor on medicines that child require to take it.
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Required by who though? the schools and doctors they think almost every child needs to be medicated...
 
Jezie said:
Required by who though? the schools and doctors they think almost every child needs to be medicated...
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ADHD/ADD medicine, psychiatric medicine, anti-seizure medicine, anti-rejection medicine and any medicine that are necessary to keep stable or preventing the dying - of course, it is required by doctor.

I don't know why are you saying about. :dunno:
 
Foxrac said:
ADHD/ADD medicine, psychiatric medicine, anti-seizure medicine, anti-rejection medicine and any medicine that are necessary to keep stable or preventing the dying - of course, it is required by doctor.

I don't know why are you saying about. :dunno:
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Just working to figure out your OP you mentioned that the girls needed to be in women's prison and that mental illness was not an excuse anymore.
We cleared the first part... mostly but to say mental illness is not a reasonable defense seems wrong. It is there for a reason. Mentally ill people do not always know they are mentally ill... refusing medicine does not mean they are choosing to be mentally ill or seeking to cause harm... maybe all they know is the medication makes them ill or the like...
 
Putting a 14 year old male or female in an adult prison is not going to be good. If they are mentally ill then they really can't be held accountable for their actions but they can be put into a mental facility for as long as it takes until they are well. Look at John Hinkley, he has spent 35 years in one, granted he tried to kill the President of the United States and they are going to finally release him, so I'm sure the state can find someplace to stick these girls so they don't get stuck in an adult prison and get the help they need.
 
Jezie said:
Just working to figure out your OP you mentioned that the girls needed to be in women's prison and that mental illness was not an excuse anymore.
We cleared the first part... mostly but to say mental illness is not a reasonable defense seems wrong. It is there for a reason. Mentally ill people do not always know they are mentally ill... refusing medicine does not mean they are choosing to be mentally ill or seeking to cause harm... maybe all they know is the medication makes them ill or the like...
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FYI, I have mental illness and I know about which is right or wrong, so it is obviously that you don't understand about what I'm saying - check #11 again. (She made CLEARLY that she refused to take treatment and rather to believe in fiction world.)

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In making Wednesday’s decision, the court heard that Geyser has consistently refused to take medication for her illness.

She instead prefers to reside in “the fictional world that she has operated in and have contact with the fictional characters that she’s had contact with in the past,” testified Dr. Deborah Collins, who is the president of Behavioral Consultants, Inc. and Director of the Wisconsin Forensic Unit.
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The insanity plea defense has been severely reduced or eliminated after John Hinkley's case, in state and federal level.
 
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seb said:
Putting a 14 year old male or female in an adult prison is not going to be good. If they are mentally ill then they really can't be held accountable for their actions but they can be put into a mental facility for as long as it takes until they are well. Look at John Hinkley, he has spent 35 years in one, granted he tried to kill the President of the United States and they are going to finally release him, so I'm sure the state can find someplace to stick these girls so they don't get stuck in an adult prison and get the help they need.
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See above #16, insanity plea defense has been reduced or eliminated (depending on states) after Hinkley's case.

Most prisons already have mental health treatment and psych ward, even many inmates have mental illness as well, but state mental hospitals are reserved for anyone who aren't criminal, but danger to self and others, also criminals with lower IQ who are not competent to serve the trial and inability to take care of themselves.
 
Foxrac said:
FYI, I have mental illness and I know about which is right or wrong, so it is obviously that you don't understand about what I'm saying - check #11 again. (She made CLEARLY that she refused to take treatment and rather to believe in fiction world.)

From OP article.


The insanity plea defense has been severely reduced or eliminated after John Hinkley's case, in state and federal level.
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They are childern... and just because you have a mental illness does not mean anything in comparison... cudos you know right from wrong... some people do not...
 
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