will we meet aliens from outer space within 20 years?

netrox said:
The animals you cited are intelligent animals but nowhere close to our intelligence. They haven't come up with computers. They haven't come up with complex language. They have no technology that rival ours.

Human intelligence is just remarkable and it is truly human. Other planets harboring life will be unlikely to be like us. Even intelligent creatures will unlikely ever come to the point where they think abstractly like we do. We can do complex math. Non-humans can't. We can conceptualize and have abstract ideas and implement them, non-humans can't.

We are relatively newcomers. And I don't think we'll last long. I don't mean in 100 years but in 10,000 years later, 'well be gone. 99% of species appear and disappear already. So why should we stay here forever? It's not possible. The climate will get worse and more hostile to us and we'll also merge with machines and lose interest in "survival."
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I don't believe one's intelligence is judged by technological advancement. It is possible that there is an alien species out there that is far far more advanced than us in terms of intelligence and/or biology. So advanced that they have no needs for technology.

For humans - technology is needed to enhance or overcome our weaknesses, not to make ourselves superior.
 
Jiro said:
actually no. this applies to all species.

In order to survive, it requires resource. That's why over the course of Earth history, the larger-size species are the one that dies first. Now... elephants are dying.

We are the only species that can adapt to anywhere on Earth and we can change our environment to suit us.
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Actually, no, elephants are dying because of man. We are taking their resources away from them in addition to killing them off by the thousands per year in Africa.

YOu're right though about humans, we can adapt anywhere until our forcing the environment to suit us starts backlashing. And it's happening already. but I digress.
 
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DeafCaroline said:
Jiro said:
actually no. this applies to all species.

In order to survive, it requires resource. That's why over the course of Earth history, the larger-size species are the one that dies first. Now... elephants are dying.

We are the only species that can adapt to anywhere on Earth and we can change our environment to suit us.
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Actually, no, elephants are dying because of man. We are taking their resources away from them in addition to killing them off by the thousands per year in Africa.

YOu're right though about humans, we can adapt anywhere until our forcing the environment to suit us starts backlashing. And it's happening already. but I digress.
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Yea agreed. Most animals are dying because of us caused damage. Rainforests and taking away their land also don't forget illegal poachers.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Actually, no, elephants are dying because of man. We are taking their resources away from them in addition to killing them off by the thousands per year in Africa.

YOu're right though about humans, we can adapt anywhere until our forcing the environment to suit us starts backlashing. And it's happening already. but I digress.
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well look at big picture. Elephants' lifestyle is not sustainable.
 
sequoias said:
Yea agreed. Most animals are dying because of us caused damage. Rainforests and taking away their land also don't forget illegal poachers.
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I do not dispute the fact that we humans are killing other species but IMO - "that's life."

All species in this ecosystem compete with each other for resource and territory. We just happened to win. For millions of years - many species have been wiped out by other species long before human came into picture. It's still happening right now...

Example - pine beetle. it's killing our trees at shocking rate.
 
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Jiro said:
sequoias said:
Yea agreed. Most animals are dying because of us caused damage. Rainforests and taking away their land also don't forget illegal poachers.
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I do not dispute the fact that we humans are killing other species but IMO - "that's life."

All species in this ecosystem compete with each other for resource and territory. We just happened to win. For millions of years - many species have been wiped out by other species long before human came into picture. It's still happening right now...

Example - pine beetle. it's killing our trees at shocking rate.
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Yes animals sometimes hurt resources but not as much as humans do to the Earth. Bugs kill trees is part of the natural cycle of regrowing new forests. I forgot name of beetle that have been killng lot of lodgepole pines in East slopes of the Cascade mountains in WA state.
 
DeafCaroline said:
neither is ours.
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I beg to differ. Our lifestyle is actually sustainable and adaptive.

Example - we used to rely on trees for power and warmth. Eventually - England was stripped bare. We adapted and discovered alternative energy source - coal... then oil. Eventually - we restored trees and England's green again.

China's doing tree project too to fend off expansion of Gobi Desert and desert storm and its project was a huge success.
 
sequoias said:
Yes animals sometimes hurt resources but not as much as humans do to the Earth. Bugs kill trees is part of the natural cycle of regrowing new forests. I forgot name of beetle that have been killng lot of lodgepole pines in East slopes of the Cascade mountains in WA state.
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no. this is not part of natural cycle. this is a very destructive infestation at destructive rate. Millions of acres of trees were destroyed in a very short time. This causes a shift in ecosystem that affects other species and humans. This also means a much bigger risk of destructive forest fire, mudslide, flash flood, etc.
 
Jiro said:
no. this is not part of natural cycle. this is a very destructive infestation at destructive rate. Millions of acres of trees were destroyed in a very short time. This causes a shift in ecosystem that affects other species and humans. This also means a much bigger risk of destructive forest fire, mudslide, flash flood, etc.
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And was also likely caused by humans doing the relocation for them. Which brings it back to technically being our fault.
 
Pine beetles attack old and/or weakened trees. Apparently the best way to fend them off is to promote new tree growth. And they say rising temperatures is what's worsening the pine beetle situation. Why are temperatures rising? ....

Anyway, I don't dispute that we are adaptive and capable of self-sustainability. Just saying that we're not very good at putting self-sustainability into practice if instead of protecting our resources that sustain us, we destroy them. Time for that to change.
 
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Jiro said:
sequoias said:
Yes animals sometimes hurt resources but not as much as humans do to the Earth. Bugs kill trees is part of the natural cycle of regrowing new forests. I forgot name of beetle that have been killng lot of lodgepole pines in East slopes of the Cascade mountains in WA state.
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no. this is not part of natural cycle. this is a very destructive infestation at destructive rate. Millions of acres of trees were destroyed in a very short time. This causes a shift in ecosystem that affects other species and humans. This also means a much bigger risk of destructive forest fire, mudslide, flash flood, etc.
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Well can ya prove that bugs have done this million of years ago? :) The other way is to have forest fires to clean up the diseased forest. Fires do wonders restoring forests sometimes but a hazard to wildlife and homes nearby.
 
sequoias said:
Well can ya prove that bugs have done this million of years ago? :)
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sure. bugs in amber :)

sequoias said:
The other way is to have forest fires to clean up the diseased forest. Fires do wonders restoring forests sometimes but a hazard to wildlife and homes nearby.
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Not that simple. It destroys habitats. Some species cannot rebuild their habitat like we can. Some species can't just "pack up" and move somewhere. Pine Beetle infestation can actually destroy salmon habitat.
 
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Jiro said:
sequoias said:
Well can ya prove that bugs have done this million of years ago? :)
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sure. bugs in amber :)

sequoias said:
The other way is to have forest fires to clean up the diseased forest. Fires do wonders restoring forests sometimes but a hazard to wildlife and homes nearby.
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Not that simple. It destroys habitats. Some species cannot rebuild their habitat like we can. Some species can't just "pack up" and move somewhere. Pine Beetle infestation can actually destroy salmon habitat.
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Yes I know it is not simple but that's part of the nature like I said unless someone introduce animals in other areas that doesnt belong like the africanized bees and asian carp for example.
 
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