Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

[loml]

originally posted VamPyroX

I would focus more on his English skills than his oral skills

vamPyrox - I agree.

 

[Boult]

Actually, it says that she was 19 at the time of the post (11-08-06), and received her implant in 1989. It does not state anywhere that she was 2 when the implant was done. I beleive, however,that rick48 has stated in several other posts that his daughter was 3 when the first implant was done, and a teenager when she had to be reimplanted due to devise failure.

His daughter was reimplanted in (November of) 2001
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[jackiesolorzano]

I wouldn't say that having good oral skills is more important than the quality of education. As long as the deaf child is getting the proper English education, he/she will succeed.

They can learn to read and write. They can sign in SEE. Any of that can be used to improve proper English.

Having oral skills is just a "plus" with your education.

I'm hard-of-hearing. I have good oral skills. However, I still have need for interpreters. I can talk on the phone, but not with all phone calls.

Some hearing people see me as a deaf person, but are shocked that I have good oral skills. Some deaf people see me as a hearing person, but are shocked that I'm actually deaf. It's just an assumption game with everyone.

If I had a deaf kid, I would focus more on his English skills than his oral skills.

We in our family were able to focus on both and it worked for us.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I wouldn't say that having good oral skills is more important than the quality of education. As long as the deaf child is getting the proper English education, he/she will succeed.

They can learn to read and write. They can sign in SEE. Any of that can be used to improve proper English.

Having oral skills is just a "plus" with your education.

I'm hard-of-hearing. I have good oral skills. However, I still have need for interpreters. I can talk on the phone, but not with all phone calls.

Some hearing people see me as a deaf person, but are shocked that I have good oral skills. Some deaf people see me as a hearing person, but are shocked that I'm actually deaf. It's just an assumption game with everyone.

If I had a deaf kid, I would focus more on his English skills than his oral skills.[/QUOTE]

That is what I am saying. Why is speech the primary concern when it comes to education? However, my biggest concern is with the issue of the deaf child's ability to catch everything being said in the classroom. I just feel that by putting them in a classroom full of 30 kids without visual cues is restrictive. That's my opinion.

Speech is not the primary concern. Being oral and having good education can go hand and hand. As for speech being the primary concern, my children havn't seen a speech therapist in over a decade and even when they saw one it was once a week. Our focus has always been making sure they got the best education possible and if they were able to be oral that was a plus.

 

[jillio]

His daughter was reimplanted in (November of) 2001
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Which would have made her a teen ager. So your point is?

 

[Raykat]

That's what I don't understand. How is it that one can be dependent upon one form of technology, but be more independent than someone who is dependent upon another form of technology?

Well put it this way, I am dependant on my H/a for a bit of sound whilst lipreading. Friends who have been implanted are now more independant than me in that they can , in some cases, have a conversation without lipreading. I know this wont mean much to signers but in the world I inhabit its a total pain the ass to be at say a bbq and have it get dark and not be able to lipread any longer.

So it follows that with CI I would expect to be more independant than I am at present.

Just as email then text phones gave me more independence when they became available, not having to ask anyone to make a phone call for me was wonderful.

 

[shel90]

Which would have made her a teen ager. So your point is?

I think he is helping out.

Seems like everyone is debating about Rick's daughter?

 

[jillio]

Speech is not the primary concern.

Being oral and having good education can go hand and hand. As for speech being the primary concern, my children havn't seen a speech therapist in over a decade and even when they saw one it was once a week. Our focus has always been making sure they got the best education possible and if they were able to be oral that was a plus.

You are an oral teacher of the deaf. You have stated that you chose an oral environment for your children. You consistently cite your children's "excellent oral skills", and stated just a few days ago, that your children's oral skills were superior to those who had not been implanted. With all these posts about oral skills, how is it that speech is not, or has not been, the primary concern. If you aren't focused on speech and oral language, what is it, exactly, that you are focused on?

 

[jillio]

I think he is helping out.

Seems like everyone is debating about Rick's daughter?

Okay. Apologies, then.

Yeah, funny isn't it?

 

[shel90]

You are an oral teacher of the deaf. You have stated that you chose an oral environment for your children. You consistently cite your children's "excellent oral skills", and stated just a few days ago, that your children's oral skills were superior to those who had not been implanted. With all these posts about oral skills, how is it that speech is not, or has not been, the primary concern. If you aren't focused on speech and oral language, what is it, exactly, that you are focused on?

What are u talking about?

 

[shel90]

What are u talking about?

Never mind..the quotes are off. I thought u were quoting me.

 

[jillio]

Never mind..the quotes are off. I thought u were quoting me.

That answers my next question.

 

[rick48]

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As my daughter was 14 at the time she was directly involved in her decision to be re-implanted. She had grown up knowing sounds, music etc. and wanted to be able to continue to live her life as she had been living it. She had no desire, nor saw any valid reason why she should suddenly live in a world without sound.

BTW she was 2 and a half when implanted and at the time the youngest person in the US with an implant until a few weeks later when a girl who would subsequently become her friend got hers.

Rick

 

[VamPyroX]

I wouldn't say that having good oral skills is more important than the quality of education. As long as the deaf child is getting the proper English education, he/she will succeed.

They can learn to read and write. They can sign in SEE. Any of that can be used to improve proper English.

Having oral skills is just a "plus" with your education.

I'm hard-of-hearing. I have good oral skills. However, I still have need for interpreters. I can talk on the phone, but not with all phone calls.

Some hearing people see me as a deaf person, but are shocked that I have good oral skills. Some deaf people see me as a hearing person, but are shocked that I'm actually deaf. It's just an assumption game with everyone.

If I had a deaf kid, I would focus more on his English skills than his oral skills.[/QUOTE]

That is what I am saying. Why is speech the primary concern when it comes to education? However, my biggest concern is with the issue of the deaf child's ability to catch everything being said in the classroom. I just feel that by putting them in a classroom full of 30 kids without visual cues is restrictive. That's my opinion.

Well, they're not going to catch every single good with an ASL interpreter.

I got through college just fine from what I got from the interpreter and notes. I never read any book through college.

 

[VamPyroX]

We in our family were able to focus on both and it worked for us.

I went through speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I always talked and never signed when I was at home since everyone talks instead. It depends on the family.

If it was harder or impossible to do both, then I would focus on the English aspect over the oral aspect.

I've seen a lot of oral NTID students who do horrible. They're always bragging that they think they will do better because they can talk. "Oh, I'm oral so I will do better on English."

I saw one hearing guy proofreading his oral girlfriend's essay. When I looked at it, it was one of the worse paper I've ever glanced on. Even he had a difficult time proofreading it without making too many corrections to it. They eventually broke up and she only dates hearing or oral guys. :roll:

 

[jillio]

I went through speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I always talked and never signed when I was at home since everyone talks instead. It depends on the family.

If it was harder or impossible to do both, then I would focus on the English aspect over the oral aspect.

I've seen a lot of oral NTID students who do horrible. They're always bragging that they think they will do better because they can talk. "Oh, I'm oral so I will do better on English."

I saw one hearing guy proofreading his oral girlfriend's essay. When I looked at it, it was one of the worse paper I've ever glanced on. Even he had a difficult time proofreading it without making too many corrections to it. They eventually broke up and she only dates hearing or oral guys. :roll:

Too true, vampy. Ability to speak does not mean fluency in English. And just because oral is the only language one has, it does not mean that one can use it fluently.

 

[flip]

I went through speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I always talked and never signed when I was at home since everyone talks instead. It depends on the family.

If it was harder or impossible to do both, then I would focus on the English aspect over the oral aspect.

I've seen a lot of oral NTID students who do horrible. They're always bragging that they think they will do better because they can talk. "Oh, I'm oral so I will do better on English."

I saw one hearing guy proofreading his oral girlfriend's essay. When I looked at it, it was one of the worse paper I've ever glanced on. Even he had a difficult time proofreading it without making too many corrections to it. They eventually broke up and she only dates hearing or oral guys. :roll:

I can relate to this from university. While we had our share of dizzy students bilingual or monolingual, those who did worst, was they who had lousy signing skills, and of course, some of them was very oral and focused on hearing people. Some student with good speech did well, but they could express themselves clearly in ASL or PSE(or SEE), too. I suspect the lousy sign skills are due to language deprivation or weak language functions in the brain from birth(how do I say this in a non-insulting manner?), making it hard for them to learn another language and catch up at university level as well.

This is what makes oralism a really luck and go game. If there is a group of deaf people who can't become bilingual for a reason, I would say the best best choice for them is early ASL for the sake of their adulthood.

 

[deafskeptic]

Too true, vampy. Ability to speak does not mean fluency in English. And just because oral is the only language one has, it does not mean that one can use it fluently.

Indeed. I haven't forgotten my shock when I found out that one of my classmates with excellent oral skills had such poor writing skills. You'd think I'd know better than to assume that oral skills = good English skills.

 

[Kalista]

Why do you must take it personal, all you have to do is say, no that's not true, how hard can that be? Are you always this angry? I'm curious?

Yeah, I notice his character too. It perplexed me ??

 

[Kalista]

Indeed. I haven't forgotten my shock when I found out that one of my classmates with excellent oral skills had such poor writing skills. You'd think I'd know better than to assume that oral skills = good English skills.

Look at me... I raise oral method at Deaf School. Tell me why my English grammar do not always accurately structure when I write / type ?? ASL expose is more developed in better concept in my primary language than oral skill.

Tell me why my voice sounds like a monkey ??