Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

[rick48]

This statement is so typical for parents of deaf children in denial. It's actually the norm to stress that their child is unique when it happens to be deaf. The famous paradox here is that when those children grown up, their stories, experiences and pain are striking similar. Hence the immortality of the deaf culture.

Please spare us the armchair psychatrist routine. "Denial", the prediction of doom and gloom for our children. The only thing that is "typical" is you and your little rote responses. Please try to come up with something original. Son, I have raised a deaf child, not an "it" as you so eloquently stated above. So please do not think that you have any inkling about how we view our children.

Oh BTW my child is now an adult and still enjoying her life to the fullest. Must break your heart to know that!

 

[rick48]

Well Rick... you already did with post 417



.... but some people just read the posts they want to read....

Thanks, LOL guess I proved my point about being at the core of every argument!

My youngest just left for the airport on her high school class trip to France, I exchanged some dollars for euros and was shocked!

 

[shel90]

I will respond later to the posts directed at me. I am going to lie down cuz I am having a difficult day with my breathing due to my pneomonia last week. Smile

Interesting readings.

 

[vallee]

I will respond later to the posts directed at me. I am going to lie down cuz I am having a difficult day with my breathing due to my pneomonia last week. Smile

Interesting readings.

Feel better. The flu has taken over this week in the south. And you know what if you don't feel like it to respond, don't worry about it.

 

[rick48]

I will respond later to the posts directed at me. I am going to lie down cuz I am having a difficult day with my breathing due to my pneomonia last week. Smile

Interesting readings.

Hope you feel better.
Rick

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I agree with you 100%, each child is unique and each needs something different. Even in my family that both children come form the same mom and dad and have the same disability, they are both so different. Both kids fully mainstream at our local high school, where my son excels in the Science at point of being in honors classes in this area and my daughter is an amazing artist. They both GPA with in tenths of each other.


I understand how oral education was 20 years ago but it is not the same thing now. Where before they would keep deaf kid in oral programs for years and years even if the child wasn't progressing as they should, where now the private oral deaf schools are telling parents after 6 months that they are beginning to have concerns when the child is not developing oral language.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Well Rick... you already did with post 417



.... but some people just read the posts they want to read....

It is just so funny how people just want read into things and have selectively reading abilities. And don't take the time read something completely and just pick out something to fight about.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I will respond later to the posts directed at me. I am going to lie down cuz I am having a difficult day with my breathing due to my pneomonia last week. Smile

Interesting readings.

I hope you feel better. I know something is going around the west coast, I guess it is going around everywhere. All of therapy appointments this week have been cancel because of the flu.

 

[jillio]

See post #417

See post #419.

 

[jillio]

It is just so funny how people just want read into things and have selectively reading abilities. And don't take the time read something completely and just pick out something to fight about.

See post #419.

 

[jillio]

Thanks, LOL guess I proved my point about being at the core of every argument!

My youngest just left for the airport on her high school class trip to France, I exchanged some dollars for euros and was shocked!

:topic:

 

[jillio]

This statement is so typical for parents of deaf children in denial. It's actually the norm to stress that their child is unique when it happens to be deaf. The famous paradox here is that when those children grown up, their stories, experiences and pain are striking similar. Hence the immortality of the deaf culture.

True observation, flip.

 

[jillio]

Well Rick... you already did with post 417



.... but some people just read the posts they want to read....

Come on RR. I'm trying to be good. Prior to your warning I simply asked a question, and was reamed for replying to a post. What about these obvious attempts to inflame?

 

[rick48]

I agree with you 100%, each child is unique and each needs something different. Even in my family that both children come form the same mom and dad and have the same disability, they are both so different. Both kids fully mainstream at our local high school, where my son excels in the Science at point of being in honors classes in this area and my daughter is an amazing artist. They both GPA with in tenths of each other.


I understand how oral education was 20 years ago but it is not the same thing now. Where before they would keep deaf kid in oral programs for years and years even if the child wasn't progressing as they should, where now the private oral deaf schools are telling parents after 6 months that they are beginning to have concerns when the child is not developing oral language.

Thanks Jackie, amazing how they still keep spewing the same anti-ci rhetoric. They truly are broken records! BTW did you get my PM the other day?
Rick
PS How was the conference?

 

[Roadrunner]

Come on RR. I'm trying to be good. Prior to your warning I simply asked a question, and was reamed for replying to a post. What about these obvious attempts to inflame?

At the time of making such a suggestion, albeit the suggestion applies to each member responding here or in any other thread...from time to time, noticing how some members do make an effort, then a certain comment or line just asking for more whether it's done with malicious intent or not, the thing is, it's getting 'old' and quite obviously 'tiring' to see. Sometimes, during the course of a debate, often it's with good intentions when one 'bites it's own tongue' rather than feeding into it which easily can get views, ideas thrown out of proportions as well as stirring up other members to jump onto the bandwagon...causing either posts to be 'edited/removed' or threads locked-up.




~RR

 

[jillio]

At the time of making such a suggestion, albeit the suggestion applies to each member responding here or in any other thread...from time to time, noticing how some members do make an effort, then a certain comment or line just asking for more whether it's done with malicious intent or not, the thing is, it's getting 'old' and quite obviously 'tiring' to see. Sometimes, during the course of a debate, often it's with good intentions when one 'bites it's own tongue' rather than feeding into it which easily can get views, ideas thrown out of proportions as well as stirring up other members to jump onto the bandwagon...causing either posts to be 'edited/removed' or threads locked-up.




~RR

Thank you.

 

[skm4441]

Agreed. ASLers don't generally have great writing expression. HOWEVER, it's a second language issue. It's not exclusive to ASL at ALL! It's like.......a French person trying to express themselves in written English. Or the really early instruction manuals from Japanese technology companies.
Drew's Dad, ancedote is NOT the singular of data! Yes, I don't deny that there are some implanted oral kids who are doing well by ANY definition. However, there have ALWAYS been some kids who do well. That doesn't mean that those kids represent the average implanted kid. Besides, what about demographic and other sociological data that could explain the reason for their sucess? Like was the class in kinda a ritzy suburb where high achievement is the norm?

You got a point about written being a second language for the Deaf. You see, I was born profoundly deaf and attended mainstream classes for the most of my school years. I used both SEE and ASL. And I turned out with really good writing skills... So I guess I'd use myself as one of an example to ASLers who have really good writing skills.

 

[flip]

Please spare us the armchair psychatrist routine. "Denial", the prediction of doom and gloom for our children. The only thing that is "typical" is you and your little rote responses. Please try to come up with something original. Son, I have raised a deaf child, not an "it" as you so eloquently stated above. So please do not think that you have any inkling about how we view our children.

Oh BTW my child is now an adult and still enjoying her life to the fullest. Must break your heart to know that!

Sure.. sure.. everyone that disagree with you are wrong and do not know anything. Let's talk a bit more about your childhood. Comfortable in that couch?

 

[flip]

I understand how oral education was 20 years ago but it is not the same thing now. Where before they would keep deaf kid in oral programs for years and years even if the child wasn't progressing as they should, where now the private oral deaf schools are telling parents after 6 months that they are beginning to have concerns when the child is not developing oral language.

Sure you know deaf history?? May I ask you where you have this information from? This malpractice, where deaf children was sent to a TC program if failing oral education was common 20 years ago. It was even done 40 years ago. I suggest you to read some deaf history instead of doing the same mistakes again and again. This proves my point that the slogan of oralism for two centuries have been "but.. it's better now!".

 

[shel90]

Thanks everyone. I am better today. Dr says I will have ups and downs and yesterday was a bad one.

Anyways, back to the topic and back to Rick's question.

In family ed, the children with CIs or who are hard of hearing get intensive speech therapy while getting ASL for language development. My student got 5 days of speech therapy with 1 day spent at the implant center for AVT when she was a toddler. She was able to develop spoken language just fine so now she has speech 5 days a week in the afternoons after all academics have been taught. None of the kids are taken out during the academic classes like language arts, math, social studies and science for speech or other therapy. Our philosophy is education (especially literacy) comes first and the parents understand that when their children are in the family ed program. Some parents put their kids in public school where the oral only approach is used and some parents keep their kids at our school.

However, I am glad that they all had enrolled their children in family ed for exposure to both languages to ensure that their children are not deprived of a language. It makes the difference.