Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

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jillio said:
Why is speech class the priority? Shouldn't education be the priority of an educational program?
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Both should be the top priorities. :)
 
skm4441 said:
All the deaf people gotta do is say, "You do not know what the hell is the best for me. You do not know me. You do not know how I operate in my daily life. So shut up and give me a chance." Unfortuately, people are either afraid to stand up for themselves, and on the other side, people are afraid to try new things and open their minds.
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It takes a bit more than one person standing up for themselves to insitute widespread change. I agree that the hearing do not know what is best for the deaf. However, opression and discrimination occur from a wider social perspective. It is going to take a group movement to stop the perspective of deficit that the majority hearing apply to deafness.
 
rick48 said:
jillio said:
Where did I say speech class was a priority? No where.

Please do not start putting words in my posts that were not there, haven't you learned anything from your recent banning?

Go somewhere else to pick a fight, I am not interested in furthering your agenda.

BTW, the question was directed to Shel, who indicated that her ci student took speech classes, so perhaps you should ask her about her "priorities"?
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You didn't seem to be concerned with how much time was spent on core curriculum...only how much time was spent in speech classes.

I am not putting words in your posts.

Have you learned anything from your bannings?

I am not picking a fight, I am asking a question.

I am well aware of the priorities of a bi-bi program. And the priority is education.
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rick48 said:
Since we never viewed our child as "deficit" in any way, always made certain she is loved and a part of large and loving extended family, and took advantage of the existing technology that has made her life easier your pat little explanation (although it cannot explain the inherent contradiction of Deaf parents who choose cochlear implants for their children), while it may sound trite and trendy in your circles, does not apply to our specific situation.

Please do not even attempt to think that you have any understanding of the decisions we made for our child and the rational behind those decisions for you have no idea.

Sorry, but there is no one way to raise any child, even a deaf child! We view both of our children as unique individuals and raised them accordingly.
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And decisions are made on perspective of deafness, i.e. deaf or Deaf. They have inherently different views and goals. It is eveident in the decisions made by parents who go the oral only route, and parents who go the bi-bi route. It has nothing to do with implantation.
 
jillio said:
rick48 said:
You didn't seem to be concerned with how much time was spent on core curriculum...only how much time was spent in speech classes.

I am not putting words in your posts.

Have you learned anything from your bannings?

I am not picking a fight, I am asking a question.

I am well aware of the priorities of a bi-bi program. And the priority is education.
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Well lets get one thing straight from the start. I have no interest in having a discussion with you, so there is no need to ask me questions.

My inquiries were to Shel and before I would ask about the core curriculum, I wanted to know what grade level she taught and thus asked her that question.

Things flowed very smoothly here in your abscence, a lot less bickering and no drama so perhaps you should just butt out of other's conversations as you seem to be at the core of virtually every argument.
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jillio said:
And decisions are made on perspective of deafness, i.e. deaf or Deaf. They have inherently different views and goals. It is eveident in the decisions made by parents who go the oral only route, and parents who go the bi-bi route. It has nothing to do with implantation.
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See post #416
 
rick48 said:
jillio said:
Well lets get one thing straight from the start. I have no interest in having a discussion with you, so there is no need to ask me questions.

My inquiries were to Shel and before I would ask about the core curriculum, I wanted to know what grade level she taught and thus asked her that question.

Things flowed very smoothly here in your abscence, a lot less bickering and no drama so perhaps you should just butt out of other's conversations as you seem to be at the core of virtually every argument.
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Perhaps I should remind you that this is a public forum.
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jillio said:
Thank you. My son has excellent speech skills, and can make himself understood easily. Does he speak perfectly? No. All of the students with CI that I work with have excellent speech skills. All were implanted after age 6. My son is not implanted at alll. The difference is that all of the people I have mentioned have excellent signing skills, as well. I also have a non-traditional student who became deaf at the age of 16. She uses HAs only. Does she have a "deaf voice". Absolutely. Despite the fact that she learned to speak as a hearing child would and was hearing for 16 years of her life.
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I knew someone who was born hearing and lost her hearing in her early teens. She clearly had deaf speech as well.

I'm told that I sound normal except that I tend to speak a lot more slowly than most and the only other sign that I'm deaf is the fact I can't pronounce the letter r correctly in some words and I didn't get my CI until last spring. However, I will allow that my speech improved after I got implanted.
 
deafskeptic said:
I knew someone who was born hearing and lost her hearing in her early teens. She clearly had deaf speech as well.

I'm told that I sound normal except that I tend to speak a lot more slowly than most and the only other sign that I'm deaf is the fact I can't pronounce the letter r correctly in some words and I didn't get my CI until last spring. However, I will allow that my speech improved after I got implanted.
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I have no doubt that your speech improved. You had the advantage of having excellent speech skills prior to implantation, though. The letter "r" is a common problem, as are "s" and "t". Much is dependent upon discrimination. I just find the claim of "perfect speech" unrealistic based on my experience.
 
skm4441 said:
I think one of the problems to CIs... I am not saying I am against CIs. But I think that sometimes parents do not understand deafness and the culture. They know nothing, so they assume somebody who holds a MD knows everything. So they ask the doctors about the deafness. Most MDs dont know much about deaf culture and its positives/negatives. Nor do they know many deaf people. So the parents of children turn to CIs. The parents think it is a miracle and neglected to tell their children when they get older that they are also hearing impaired. I am not saying that it's the child's fault. It's just that I feel that parents should try harder with all that HUGE access to ALL kinds of information (the Internet) and learn more about deafness and the CIs.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion so don't bash me!!! This is just something that I saw on "Sound Fury" (I think) where the parents of a girl didn't tell her that she was deaf. But that was history... maybe the girl knows now. Who knows?
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Good observations. And right on target.
 
rick48 said:
Nice try at attempting to discredit my experiences. Funny how you say the experiences of those posters you agree with should be listened to and taken as gospel truth but yet you attempt to discredit the real life experiences of parents such as myself and Drew's Dad because our real life experiences don't fit nicely into your little theory of cochlear implanted kids.

Please do not make assumptions about me as you have no idea the people I know and the families I have met and if you think AGBell is comprised solely of successfull oral kids (which it is not!) then instead of putting it down you ought to add them to your toolbox.
Like a broken record, you attempt to boil every issue down to a social-economic one when in fact, virtually every parent here and on other forums, regardless of what method they chose for their child, will tell you that the overriding factor is parental involvement--a factor that has nothing to do with social-economics but good old fashioned values.
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Are you aware of the stand A.G. Bell took against the signing deaf only a couple of weeks ago? They are not a popular organization with the deaf.

And, unfortunately, SES has a great deal to do with parental involvement.
 
jillio said:
Are you aware of the stand A.G. Bell took against the signing deaf only a couple of weeks ago? They are not a popular organization with the deaf.

And, unfortunately, SES has a great deal to do with parental involvement.
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See post #417
 
C'mon you two--you both (you know whom I'm referring to) are at it again, with the usual nitpicking at one another--It's suggested that you both refrain from posting/replying to one another. Please take my suggestion-- :ty:





~RR
 
rick48 said:
Sorry, but there is no one way to raise any child, even a deaf child! We view both of our children as unique individuals and raised them accordingly.
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This statement is so typical for parents of deaf children in denial. It's actually the norm to stress that their child is unique when it happens to be deaf. The famous paradox here is that when those children grown up, their stories, experiences and pain are striking similar. Hence the immortality of the deaf culture.
 
Roadrunner said:
C'mon you two--you both (you know whom I'm referring to) are at it again, with the usual nitpicking at one another--It's suggested that you both refrain from posting/replying to one another. Please take my suggestion-- :ty:





~RR
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Sorry, you are right. Will do so.
Rick
 
rick48 said:
Sorry, you are right. Will do so.
Rick
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Well Rick... you already did with post 417
rick48 said:
Well lets get one thing straight from the start. I have no interest in having a discussion with you, so there is no need to ask me questions.

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Things flowed very smoothly here in your abscence, a lot less bickering and no drama so perhaps you should just butt out of other's conversations as you seem to be at the core of virtually every argument.
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.... but some people just read the posts they want to read....
 
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