Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

gnulinuxman said:
Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
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Believe me, we've had our moments.

BTW, that was hilarious when your "fiancee" PM'd her to scold me! WTF, are you guys serious? Are we in elementary school? :rofl:
 
gnulinuxman said:
Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
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Dan... your remark.... it is that time of the month again??
 
gnulinuxman said:
Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
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WTF - it's his mother for God's sake backing him up in this very difficult decision. Imagine how it would be to not have your family behind you. Geeze!!!
 
gnulinuxman said:
Anybody who says this has a weak argument. If you say you won't stoop to a "lower level just to prove a point", how do we know you're being honest or that you really know what you're talking about? :dunno: What is "stooping to a lower level", anyway? :confused:
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Here's an idea... Research it yourself. Why should you have to be handed the information. Perhaps if you did some research on your own, your mind would open. Trust me, I have been through this and I can tell you that this man has done his homework and soul searching. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with his decision, but I stand behiind him because he is not "willy nilly" jumping into this very difficult decision. He has educated himself on more aspects of this than you can imagine. There is a special love that we have for our children that you will understand better once you have your own.
 
I hope my post make sense. Please answer if you agree to disagree with me...


Deaf parents send their deaf children to oral school because deaf parents expose their children with sign language.

Hearing parents send their deaf children to deaf school because deaf children need to learn where they come from and hearing parents need to learn sign and train their deaf children with speak sometimes.

If I have deaf children then I would send my deaf children to deaf school including speech therapy. I know what I'm saying because my hubby went to oral school. He told me that it's stress for him to consider teacher's lip all the time to "neglect" his education. If I want to learn something, it's easy for me to understand and learn quickly what my teacher sign to us.

The same school, my hubby went turn into deaf school. They are able sign now. The hearing parents of deaf children protest. We have separate school for deaf and hard of hearing here in Germany. It's parent's decision if they want oral school then put them to hard of hearing school.
 
rockdrummer said:
He has educated himself on more aspects of this than you can imagine. There is a special love that we have for our children that you will understand better once you have your own.
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Quoted for truth. Thanks bud.
 
Hearing parents send their deaf children to deaf school because deaf children need to learn where they come from and hearing parents need to learn sign and train their deaf children with speak sometimes.
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You know, I think more Deaf people would be OK with oralism, if it was promoted more as another communication tool, rather then as a more "supeior" alternative to ASL.
If I have deaf children then I would send my deaf children to deaf school including speech therapy. I know what I'm saying because my hubby went to oral school. He told me that it's stress for him to consider teacher's lip all the time to "neglect" his education. If I want to learn something, it's easy for me to understand and learn quickly what my teacher sign to us.
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Ditto! Like the emphasis on going "boo-be-bah" all the time can translate to a really bad education. Like you'd have to put all ur energy into understanding speech, and not have any energy for actually learning content whereas with Sign, it would be second nature.
 
Fragmenter said:
I'm "a man's word is his bond" type and if you can't take me at face value, that is your loss. Stooping to a lower level is being immature and digging for proof when you can easily take my word for it.

I don't like to repeat myself because I want people to take my word the first time around.
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In discussions, you can't just take people's word for it.
 
deafdyke said:
You know, I think more Deaf people would be OK with oralism, if it was promoted more as another communication tool, rather then as a more "supeior" alternative to ASL.
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I agree about that. The Deaf community isn't as much against oralism as they are against oralists putting ASL down.
deafdyke said:
Ditto! Like the emphasis on going "boo-be-bah" all the time can translate to a really bad education. Like you'd have to put all ur energy into understanding speech, and not have any energy for actually learning content whereas with Sign, it would be second nature.
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*258* (very interesting) This is one complaint I have about the common oralism educations programs out there. They tend to focus on speech too much and often neglect more important things like math, reading, writing, social studies, science, etc.
 
gnulinuxman said:
I know what that feels like. Trust me....

Or you can read this thread: http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=27799
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yeah, I saw that thread and I also saw how Fragmenter stood behind you.. so why is it a probleml if his family chimes in with their support? I think it's awsome that his family is caring and understanding and willing to stand behind his decision weither they agree or disagree with it. Side Bar, I think that in your situation on the thread you privided is sad and I wish you the best of luck in that situation.
 
ok?!

R2D2 said:
Do you and your fiancee ever disagree on anything? The only time when we seem to hear from her is when she is popping in to give you a pat on the back.

Anyway Geema knows her son better than we do and she has probably seen the way he has done his research and thought long and hard about it. I would be proud of a child of mine who did that.
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I have known Dan a lot longer than any of you here have and so dont be comparing because that is a bit rude ..... think about someone comparing you to a person's mom and then saying you only are seen to give a person a pat on the back or whatever, and Dan and me do have fights but they always resolve.

Deaflinuxgeek
 
gnulinuxman said:
I agree about that. The Deaf community isn't as much against oralism as they are against oralists putting ASL down.
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that is TOTAL :bsflag:

You really don't have a clue, don't you? It's the other way around, buddy. And if you can't take my word for it, then ignorance is indeed bliss.
 
Neither so there!!

sr171soars said:
In regards to gnulinuxman and deaflinuxgeek, old cliche applies "If two agree on everything, one is not needed". Which of you two will step out of the picture? :whistle:
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Neither of us are stepping out of the picture whether you like it or not big guy. And where did you get that clinche I never heard of that one and really have you ever heard the phrase "Two heads are better than one" apparently not. Can we leave clinches out uh? really you think one of us backs out which will never happen.. enjoy us cuz neither of us are leaving!

Deaflinuxgeek
 
rockdrummer said:
Here's an idea... Research it yourself. Why should you have to be handed the information. Perhaps if you did some research on your own, your mind would open. Trust me, I have been through this and I can tell you that this man has done his homework and soul searching. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with his decision, but I stand behiind him because he is not "willy nilly" jumping into this very difficult decision. He has educated himself on more aspects of this than you can imagine. There is a special love that we have for our children that you will understand better once you have your own.
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Here's the funny part--you guys seem to think I'm against all of his decisions and opinions. I'm not against him or all of his opinions. I am not saying he's a bad father. I'm not saying he's a bad guy. People seem to think I'm saying that.

Some of my past posts to look at that were NOT picking fights with him:
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=528471#post528471
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=528743#post528743
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=529170#post529170
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=529173#post529173
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=529188#post529188
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=529191#post529191
 
Fragmenter said:
What do you want me to do? Whip out the violin and play a somber song for you? After observing your argumentative posts no matter what the others say; I believe you are as responsible as your family is for your personal problems.
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:topic:
 
Fragmenter said:
that is TOTAL :bsflag:

You really don't have a clue, don't you? It's the other way around, buddy. And if you can't take my word for it, then ignorance is indeed bliss.
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I have 10 Deaf friends who would disagree with you right there.
 
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