Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

Bear said:
I also was in your wife's shoes. I could hear on a phone, I could talk to just about anyone and understand them, but I wasnt hearing, I was simply a deaf individual that could hear with a HA well enough to get by. But even then I had a hard time finding jobs.

In today's society it isnt about being able to hear and speak or not. It is about how much skills you have and how many years youve used them.

Hope you can understand a little more.

Bear
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Hello Bear,

I understand that even being hearing, it's still a tough world to live in. It's never easy for anyone, including Donald Trump!

I agree that it's all about how many different tools you have in the old toolbox and how creative you are with them. Being able to converse with the hearing people won't land you a CEO position at *insert company name here*, you gotta earn it!

We just feel that being able to converse with the hearing is exactly like having the swiss army tool-knife. It's a very, very valuable tool to have in your toolbox in this world.
 
deafdyke said:
Oh definitly, but on the other hand, you wouldn't want your kid to experiance such negative stuff that they hate school and they have no friends. I experianced that, and I REALLY HONESTLY believe that's why my emotional issues are so messed up. (I was MAINSTREAMED.....absolutly no "special services) That's why I support split placement, so they can get the best of both worlds!
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Hmm. There are so many options to choose from and it can mentally break a parent down lol.

I went to a mainstream school that had a deaf program set up within their system. There were about 15 deaf students in the high school alone out of about 300 total. We had a sense of unity and support system yet we could blend in.

That is the kind of program we fully support because, hey, it worked for us lol. Ever since President Bush signed the no children left behind, the school system changed and we're kinda scrambling to find a loophole in the new law for our children... We're confident we will find a nice loophole and have a similar program set up somewhere. We're even willing to move out of state if it is necessary. Our children's needs comes before ours... at least until they're out of highschool :rofl:
 
fragmenter is right -- i found the system he, his wife and his sister were in was the best setting and was so hoping for the same for their children but, alas! the "no child left behind" law was passed and this does NOT work for the deaf/hoh
 
greema said:
Mookie said:
Fragmenter, please do not be a bullshit artist. My wife is also HH. I am not buying your wife’s answers. I am sure that your wife is most likely hearie but not too close to the range of HH.
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mookie! you gotta watch what you say and presume (A$$ume!) -- MY daughter-in-law is HARD-OF-HEARING, she is NOT a HEARIE!!!! :mad:

don't be so presumptive and jump to conclusions that Fragmenter is making things up! :pissed:


dangerous ground, buddy!
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:roll:
Methinks that you may need to read Fragmenter's logical statement carefully:

fragmenter said:
I have personally witnessed my wife conversing with hearing people with tight lips, strong accents, unkempt beard, fast speech and Shakespearian english to an understandable degree, so your above argument is invalid. Granted, they were more often than not a one on one conversations. Let me use the infamous, "we can do anything but hear" against your argument.
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Greema, I do have good valid points.

Look at another Aders’ comments:

sr171soars said:
Yep, you see these from time to time. Fortunately, you don't run into these
types often. It isn't just the deaf that have trouble with these but also hearing as well. My uncle (hearing) who retired from the feds was in the senior executive service and had a fellow like the PH.D speak at a meeting. My uncle looked around at the others (after the fellow left) and asked did anybody understand him? They shook their heads and these fellows weren't stupid and could hear just fine.

A humorous spin on this...
1) Jimmy Carter type...southern type and/or had plastic surgery and forgot that lips move you know? Move them lips!
2) Welcome to the global economy! We all gotta get along and get used to it too. Accents make for great lip-reading training.
3) Some people have fungus problems...what can you say? Carry some trimmers on you.
4) Slow down man! There isn't a fire around is there?
5) Er...speak English as I not familiar with the Ivory Tower language you know?
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deafdyke said:
Fragmenter, Mookie DOES have a good point. I often have difficulty in difficult listening sittuions. Speech really always isn't the perfect tool.
Also, definitly keep an open mind as to school placement. Mainstreaming can be a nitemare sometimes. Believe me I know......Like there are good parts of mainstreaming, but things like snobby peers, not fitting in, teachers who lump you in with the "Ummm who's President Bush?" types, teachers who have never been trained to teach dhh kids (beyond a token week on fingerspelling, or the oral-manual debate)
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R2D2 said:
I was orally mainstreamed growing up and the above examples aren't really a problem because I simply ask such people to repeat what they've said, slow down or clarify what they mean, which in most cases they are very happy to do. It's not a big deal.

There are lots of Chinese people around where I live so I'm used to foreign accents. Hearing people from English speaking backgrounds have the same problem. As a matter of fact I seem to attract Chinese people in workplaces because I am much more patient with them than hearing English speaking people and they are very happy to repeat what they've said to me and we usually get there. They are so used to everyone not understanding them, let alone deaf people that they are grateful for attention.

In my experience doctors of philosophy don't go around speaking in a language that people cannot understand. They only sound nonsensical in their writings. They are just ordinary people like you and I
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ismi said:
And just a reminder - hearies don't always hear things the first time, either. HOH/oral deaf may be asking for more repeats, but they're not the only ones. I've often had hearies around me thank me for asking for clarification, since it helped them as well - either because they didn't hear what was said, or they didn't understand it. I've even had a few professors comment that they think it was a good thing for the class as a whole (particularly my Russian History prof, who was trying to break her habit of getting excited and speaking too quickly for *anyone* to understand).
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Greema, you may need a deep breath and re-read before you post. I already knew about your adorable daughter-in-law with her hearing loss.

You may need to go back and read your son’s posts. I hate to tell you that I do not accept your son’s points about his wife comprehending from her wonderful hearing status. Why do I feel funny if she is Heather Whitestone? Anyways, no body can hear perfectly…

Don’t feel bad about your son. You are raising him very well. However, he has rights to provide his assertive opinions.
 
Fragmenter said:
I also don't want everybody to to think we're in a tag-team wrestling match :fingersx:
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I'm a one man-team.

Go ahead and you may slap Greema's hand for swiping... :smoking:
 
Mookie said:
You may need to go back and read your son’s posts. I hate to tell you that I do not accept your son’s points about his wife comprehending from her wonderful hearing status.
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I could easily prove you wrong but I won't waste my time if you can't take my claims at face value. Just ain't worth the hassle.

I won't stoop to a lower level to just prove a point.
 
Why do I feel vibes.........oh yeah, Fragmenter is replying right away....

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Shot it, you beat me in a matter of seconds...

Fragmenter, why don't you produce me your evidences that any HH individual can understand any spoken-language without any problem that includes no repeats? You knew perfectly as well.

BTW, it is not worth of your time to research on that issue....
 
Mookie said:
Why do I feel vibes.........oh yeah, Fragmenter is replying right away....

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Shot it, you beat me in a matter of seconds...

Fragmenter, why don't you produce me your evidences that any HH individual can understand any spoken-language without any problem that includes no repeats? You knew perfectly as well.

BTW, it is not worth of your time to research on that issue....
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Fragmenter said:
I have personally witnessed my wife conversing with hearing people with tight lips, strong accents, unkempt beard, fast speech and Shakespearian english to an understandable degree, so your above argument is invalid. Granted, they were more often than not a one on one conversations. Let me use the infamous, "we can do anything but hear" against your argument.
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That is more than enough evidence for me. I'm not going to videotape all of these encounters just to prove a point.

It's like asking God to show you Himself to prove He's real.

You obviously do not believe me and that is fine with me because I do not care if you believe it or not. It's as simple as that.
 
Mainstream deaf program/self contained classroom is definitly a good option. What I mean by mainstream is that option where kids are usually the ONLY dhh kid in the class, and where they are pulled out, and where they attend ALL regulgar classes You're talking about regional programs./magnet programs.
You might want to do research into REALLY good Deaf programs and Deaf schools. Some good schools for the Deaf are : Learning Center for Deaf Children (MA), Western PA School for the Deaf, the California Schools, Austine (VT), Kansas School for the Deaf, and so on and so on. Hey, maybe you could move out to Western MA. There's Clarke School (NoHo) and Willie Ross School for the Deaf (Longmeadow)
 
Fragmenter said:
I could easily prove you wrong but I won't waste my time if you can't take my claims at face value. Just ain't worth the hassle.

I won't stoop to a lower level to just prove a point.
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He's lost the argument anyway. Anyone who is that dismissive and accuses people of lying just don't want to have their neatly constructed beliefs challenged.
 
Fragmenter said:
I could easily prove you wrong but I won't waste my time if you can't take my claims at face value. Just ain't worth the hassle.

I won't stoop to a lower level to just prove a point.
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Anybody who says this has a weak argument. If you say you won't stoop to a "lower level just to prove a point", how do we know you're being honest or that you really know what you're talking about? :dunno: What is "stooping to a lower level", anyway? :confused:
 
greema said:
fragmenter is right -- i found the system he, his wife and his sister were in was the best setting and was so hoping for the same for their children but, alas! the "no child left behind" law was passed and this does NOT work for the deaf/hoh
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Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
 
gnulinuxman said:
Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
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Do you and your fiancee ever disagree on anything? The only time when we seem to hear from her is when she is popping in to give you a pat on the back.

Anyway Geema knows her son better than we do and she has probably seen the way he has done his research and thought long and hard about it. I would be proud of a child of mine who did that.
 
I'm "a man's word is his bond" type and if you can't take me at face value, that is your loss. Stooping to a lower level is being immature and digging for proof when you can easily take my word for it.

I don't like to repeat myself because I want people to take my word the first time around.
 
R2D2 said:
He's lost the argument anyway. Anyone who is that dismissive and accuses people of lying just don't want to have their neatly constructed beliefs challenged.
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I reckon you're right. I won't break a sweat over this... lol, after all, it's just the internet!
 
In regards to gnulinuxman and deaflinuxgeek, old cliche applies "If two agree on everything, one is not needed". Which of you two will step out of the picture? :whistle:
 
gnulinuxman said:
Do you ever post anything original, or do you just go with what your son says?
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Leave her alone. Low class comments like this isn't really necessary. Greema has put forth many good comments. Before you get on her for repeating anything, you have a real problem with regurgitating stuff yourself. What goes around come around.
 
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