Why adults choose CI's for their children

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If you couldn't find it, you have not looked far enough back.
You wrote "today"... So, why would I look back further than that.:roll:
No use explaining the meaning to you. I'm certain the explanation would be just as lost on you as the original point is.
I don't think so..
But I would like to ask you a question: Since you claim that you don't feel the need to announce to anyone that your daughter is deaf, and that it is not an issue, why the blog that does just that? That's just a tad hypocritical, don't you think?
Nope....
Most people I meet don't know I write a blog for Lotte (..and for us and for people that are interested.)
As usual, you deliberately avoid my point entirely.:roll:
 
If u feel something is worth reposting, next time pls remove my name cuz it makes me look like I was the one who said all these things to Rick when it couldn't be furthur from the truth.*sighs*

I can't imagine that anyone would think that. Technically rick was responding to your post which was a reply to me. I've edited it to remove your name as you wish. Apologies for any misunderstanding. Rick made some very strong points that I felt were worth repeating within the context of this thread.
 
I can't imagine that anyone would think that. Technically rick was responding to your post which was a reply to me. I've edited it to remove your name as you wish. Apologies for any misunderstanding. Rick made some very strong points that I felt were worth repeating within the context of this thread.

Understood your reasons for reposting it and you have every right to do that for something you believe in. Just when I saw that, the first thing I saw was my name and the subject of Rick being called all kinds of names for implanting his daughter and I didnt want people to assume that I was calling him a Nazi and etc. LOL!
 
Again, in order to quantify these "success" stories, you will need to come up with an operational definition of success. Is reading at a 4th grade level success? Is delayed psychosocial development success? Is getting 60% of the curriculum success? How are you defining success. Doing "good enough"? Personally, I define success as being provided with the opportunity and environment that allows one to function based on their innate potential. If a deaf child has an IQ of 100, there is no reason why they should not be functioning at the same level as a hearing child with an IQ of 100. The reason they don't is because the environment they are in does not provide the opportunity for them to use the innate ability to their advantage.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent post.
Cloggy,
I see what jillo is saying. You're insistuting that there's something "wrong" with being deaf when you boast that people don't realize that Lotte is deaf.
Personally, I like it when people realize I am deaf. It's just a useful thing for people to know. My being deaf is basicly like my being female or my being genderqueer or bisexual or blue eyed.
 
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent post.
Cloggy,
I see what jillo is saying. You're insistuting that there's something "wrong" with being deaf when you boast that people don't realize that Lotte is deaf.
Personally, I like it when people realize I am deaf. It's just a useful thing for people to know. My being deaf is basicly like my being female or my being genderqueer or bisexual or blue eyed.

Not ashamed of being deaf here either. I was made to feel ashamed of it growing up with people telling me that I am not deaf because I could speak so well...that I was "hearing-impaired" instead. :roll:
 
I can relate. I've never felt the need to broadcast the fact that I'm deaf, at least not out in the real world -- whether in school, applying for jobs, being at a restaurant, etc. It just creates an unnecessary stigma. I don't think that parents that opt for a CI for their child is hoping to "hide" the fact their child is deaf (maybe some do for reasons of their own that I don't understand, but generally speaking ..,) but rather to improve their level of hearing and communication.

I have said many times in other threads that I'm a proponent of the full toolbox for every deaf child (deaf whether with CIs, HAs, or nothing,) but I think nobody can deny that if you have more hearing, your communication options will likely improve. I'm sure I'm going to get flak for this because I am fully aware that the level of (increased) hearing isn't always proportional to the level of (increased) communication -- because I know of people personally who have a CI and they still choose not to speak, they remain fully ASL, and vice versa. I do, however, strongly believe there is a correlation between increased hearing and increased communication. It's the very reason I'm considering a CI myself. I speak fairly well now as it is, but I can only hear minimally with HAs and have practically no speech discrimination. It is my hope that if I do indeed opt for a CI, that my level of hearing will improve and my speech discrimination as well -- therefore putting me in a increased/improved situation, that I can finally participate in team meetings and have a better chance at getting a decent job, understanding people in restaurants without the awkwardness of not understanding the waitstaff, and even understanding my teachers and peers in school (since I am going back to school in January.) And so on ..

Great points, Great post.
 
It sure isn't for my child.

My teacher stopped speech at 5, which is the same age as my daughter is now. She loves speech, she comes running when I pick her up to take her to speech signing, "hurry let's go to speech". I watch her through the glass as she plays the games and laughs, and has a merry time.

Nor was it for mine. In fact our S&L therapist was such a great person that as the years went by my younger hearing daughter would also be a part of the lesson as well.
 
You get it. Sorry that is why so many just stop posting, instead of being able to learn from each other, we get bullied. It is a shame. Well good luck with your daughter's surgery(I will check your blog regularly for updates). Children bounce back quicker than adults.

Vallee,

So true, so true! But its good to see Cloggy and Jackie coming back.
Rick
 
I can't imagine that anyone would think that. Technically rick was responding to your post which was a reply to me. I've edited it to remove your name as you wish. Apologies for any misunderstanding. Rick made some very strong points that I felt were worth repeating within the context of this thread.

RD,

Thanks for the repost and you are right about no one thinking I was attributing those statements to her. I do not care if you take her name off because I was not writing it to just her anyway.
Rick
 
I don't know. It just appears that people ask for research to back up our position, and when research is provided, the name calling starts, and we are all of a sudden bullies.
Come on now.. be honest. It's not always provided. While sometimes it is there are many times where the answer is along the lines of - go look it up yourself - I don't have time to do your research for you - it's on the web or the one I love the most - Go back and look through my previous posts.

I believe it's important to provide research to help inform parents. Whenever I come across something I find in a research paper or article, I always try to provide the source to back up the claims.

Anyone that draws a conclusion without fully understanding is doing themselves and their children an injustice. I know you don't think that some people can't interpret the research properly but I also think you don't give folks enough credit. Much of the research papers I have read are in layman's terms that are not that difficult to understand. Parents opting for CI's for their children should have access to the research no matter if it's for or against CI's. They deserve to have access to as much information as possible and professional research should be a large part of that information. Personally I would take anything claimed from research as nothing more than an opinion unless there is a source to back it up.
 
RD,

Thanks for the repost and you are right about no one thinking I was attributing those statements to her. I do not care if you take her name off because I was not writing it to just her anyway.
Rick
Thanks Rick. That's what I thought.
 
Come on now.. be honest. It's not always provided. While sometimes it is there are many times where the answer is along the lines of - go look it up yourself - I don't have time to do your research for you - it's on the web or the one I love the most - Go back and look through my previous posts.

I believe it's important to provide research to help inform parents. Whenever I come across something I find in a research paper or article, I always try to provide the source to back up the claims.

Anyone that draws a conclusion without fully understanding is doing themselves and their children an injustice. I know you don't think that some people can't interpret the research properly but I also think you don't give folks enough credit. Much of the research papers I have read are in layman's terms that are not that difficult to understand. Parents opting for CI's for their children should have access to the research no matter if it's for or against CI's. They deserve to have access to as much information as possible and professional research should be a large part of that information. Personally I would take anything claimed from research as nothing more than an opinion unless there is a source to back it up.


You have some good points. So, do you suggest that we provide research everytime someone askes even though it has already been posted in earlier posts or in another thread? Just wondering..

The reason I asked cuz if that is what you and others want, then I will try my best to do it.
 
You have some good points. So, do you suggest that we provide research everytime someone askes even though it has already been posted in earlier posts or in another thread? Just wondering..

The reason I asked cuz if that is what you and others want, then I will try my best to do it.
No I would say a link back to the original posting where it resides would be sufficient.
 
Come on now.. be honest. It's not always provided. While sometimes it is there are many times where the answer is along the lines of - go look it up yourself - I don't have time to do your research for you - it's on the web or the one I love the most - Go back and look through my previous posts.

I believe it's important to provide research to help inform parents. Whenever I come across something I find in a research paper or article, I always try to provide the source to back up the claims.

Anyone that draws a conclusion without fully understanding is doing themselves and their children an injustice. I know you don't think that some people can't interpret the research properly but I also think you don't give folks enough credit. Much of the research papers I have read are in layman's terms that are not that difficult to understand. Parents opting for CI's for their children should have access to the research no matter if it's for or against CI's. They deserve to have access to as much information as possible and professional research should be a large part of that information. Personally I would take anything claimed from research as nothing more than an opinion unless there is a source to back it up.

Okay, lets be honest, rd. The fact of the matter is that I have emailed out research to any member of this forum that has requested it. It is not appropriate to post an entire 40 page article in this forum. There are restrictions on reprints and reproductions. I have access to research that other members have to pay for, if they can gain access at all. I have willingly and freely shared that research when it has been requested. I have offered to do the same for you, and you did not want to accept the offer.

And parents do have access to that research, the same as I, as a parent had access to that research. It may require some effort, but any parent that wants to locate it, can. I share research with those parents that request it, and many times, I send out a PM stating that I have access to an article that they may be interested in, and to let me know if they want it forwarded to them.

You provide abstracts the vast majority of the time. In fact, you said you could not get an article you provided an abstract for, and I offered to get it to you. You declined the offer.

And I don't have time to do your research for you. No one did mine for me. When a piece is readily accessible through the web, there is no reason that it should have to be spoon fed to anyone.

Research papers are not written in layman's terms. Articles are not necessarily research papers. Opinion papers are not research papers. Blogs from websites are not research paper.

And if you want to ask a question about something I have already provided an answer for, why should I do the search work for you? Why should I spend time repeating myself? You seem to be very good at asking questions, but very reluctant to search for the answers.

Yes, parents opting for CI, or opting not to implant, should review as much information as they possibly can. Its out there. All one has to do is look for it.

When you have been researching for 20 years, you accummulate quite a bit of knowledge that becomes synthesized. You learn the concepts, and you have read the research that supports it. It then becomes your knowledge. You are free to express it as such. The idea that 2 + 2=4 comes from research, too, but if you tell me its 4, I don't ask you to cite the textbook you learned it from, or the first grade teacher that taught you the concept, now do I? Its the same principle. You can choose to agree with or disagree with anything that I have to say. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But if you dispute it, you have to prove me wrong. I am under no obligation to prove to you that I'm right. If you don't think there is research that supports what I say, then by all means, make the effort to prove that there is no research out there that supports it. If I saimply say, "research shows" I am under no obligation to cite which research and where. Only if I take a quote from a piece of research, or paraphrase the content of a specific document am I obligated to cite. And in those cases, I do. However, when I state that research shows, it is not necessary for me to cite the 200 articles I have read that cummulatively support the point.
 
Not ashamed of being deaf here either. I was made to feel ashamed of it growing up with people telling me that I am not deaf because I could speak so well...that I was "hearing-impaired" instead. :roll:

Oh that yanks my caw. I HATE to be labeled like that. I am DEAF. Period. Funny cuz, it's the deaf people that's labeling me. I just don't get it sometimes. They are so quick to judge me and say, "You're hard of hearing, not deaf because you speak well and listen to music."

Unfortunately, my mom still says I'm hearing-impaired, the school I went to still says, "School for the Hearing-Impaired", or "Hearing Impaired program at the high school." They still have long ways to go..but whatever.
 
Good post Jillio!!

We chose to implant our child for a variety of reasons that I am sure most (God forbid I say all) of the parents here would agree with..

To give her spoken language

Because we are hearing.. no different than a deaf couple hoping for a deaf child...

To give her the gift of hearing..she is the only person in our family with rhythm, lol..she loves music, etc

I find it sad that it took this long to realize that she would have been THAT MUCH BETTER OFF if we would have given her the gift of sign as well. As she ages and I watch the struggles in the classroom - academically as well as socially - I am saddened to think that it did not occur to me to question the "experts" that told us ASL should be avoided..all in the name of helping her acquire spoken language..

I never for a minute have second guessed the choice to implant her and if in the future she does not wish to use it, her choice, GREAT!! I will know I provided her with the choice...

Likewise, I should give her a language that is "natural" for her. Why is that such a hot topic here? She IS still deaf!!
 
Good post Jillio!!

We chose to implant our child for a variety of reasons that I am sure most (God forbid I say all) of the parents here would agree with..

To give her spoken language

Because we are hearing.. no different than a deaf couple hoping for a deaf child...

To give her the gift of hearing..she is the only person in our family with rhythm, lol..she loves music, etc

I find it sad that it took this long to realize that she would have been THAT MUCH BETTER OFF if we would have given her the gift of sign as well. As she ages and I watch the struggles in the classroom - academically as well as socially - I am saddened to think that it did not occur to me to question the "experts" that told us ASL should be avoided..all in the name of helping her acquire spoken language..

I never for a minute have second guessed the choice to implant her and if in the future she does not wish to use it, her choice, GREAT!! I will know I provided her with the choice...

Likewise, I should give her a language that is "natural" for her. Why is that such a hot topic here? She IS still deaf!!

Thank you, samantha'smom! I truly don't understand why it is such a hot point of contention. Like you, meeting my son where he was seemed like the most natural thing in the world for me to do. To ask him to take the whole journey just didn't make sense.
 
............However, when I state that research shows, it is not necessary for me to cite the 200 articles I have read that cummulatively support the point.
So...
.... providing a simple link to the original articles is too much effort....

Thanks for your help and effort of sharing!!

We'll just take your word for it that the information is out there... :roll:

.......... Like you, meeting my son where he was seemed like the most natural thing in the world for me to do. To ask him to take the whole journey just didn't make sense.
In any case it will be a journey.... No matter what choice one makes. It's just a different direction. And in the end a different view. Who is to decide one choice is better than the other..
 
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