White privilege

[sallylou]

I'd give you a C+ if you were a 5th grader. You've posted facts so basic that I can't disagree. No depth or analysis there.

I've grown bored with your style. It's not a stimulating discussion by any means.

 

[doh]

Your financial status and what you have done to get to where you are now don't change the fact that white privilege exists.

Just because I claim there is a teapot on orbit between the Earth and Mars doesn't make it so. Making a claim is easy, supporting it with factual and impartial evidence is another story. It seems so easy to be able to write everything off as anecdotal or "be that as it may but X still exists." That is the kind of thinking seen when skeptics get suckered into arguments with True Believers of any topic.

(And to apply a small amount of snark - there's a great body of evidence supporting a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars somewhere. )

 

[dogmom]

yes, that was a book I enjoyed, too deafskeptic.

 

[sallylou]

Refusing to acknowledge a fact does not make it false. Look how long the earth was flat! Saying the earth is flat does not mean that it's not spherical.

I'm not referring to anecdotal evidence. Sociololgists conduct empirical research on racism and other issues. Perhaps you haven't taken a sociology class, but it's really interesting. I've only taken one course.

 

[kokonut]

I don't go to google for that. I go to academic database. If your first stop is google for everything..... oh boy..... we're in deep shit :-o


yes... many people look for it in wrong place


and how were journals and research articles produced? by talking to people to illicit information. I don't know about you but if somebody was able to do that without talking to people... and getting it off strictly from computer... that's... amazing.

Google can help you find the database to connect to as well, ya know.

 

[deafskeptic]

yes, that was a book I enjoyed, too deafskeptic.

Many aren't aware of how New Age Shamans have affected the Native Americans...

Those "shamans" or plastic shamans as indians call them have nothing to do with what real one do..

 

[kokonut]

Just because I claim there is a teapot on orbit between the Earth and Mars doesn't make it so. Making a claim is easy, supporting it with factual and impartial evidence is another story. It seems so easy to be able to write everything off as anecdotal or "be that as it may but X still exists." That is the kind of thinking seen when skeptics get suckered into arguments with True Believers of any topic.

(And to apply a small amount of snark - there's a great body of evidence supporting a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars somewhere. )

I think there are a few monkey wrenches still orbiting up there as well. You make your points well taken. Anecdotal "evidence" is just that...anecdotal. It's part and parcel of the whole picture.

 

[deafskeptic]

Many aren't aware of how New Age Shamans have affected the Native Americans...

Those "shamans" or plastic shamans as indians call them have nothing to do with what real one do..

oh yes, there's no such thing as a "shaman" in Indian country.

 

[dogmom]

yes, deafskeptic - same like "dreamcatchers" - but if you look closely, it may say "made in China". Supposed medicine people charging $150 for a sweat...mass marketing and commercialism of traditional Native ceremonies-

 

[Jiro]

Google can help you find the database to connect to as well, ya know.

limited. very very limited. You get what you pay for..... but in this case - you pay nothing for google and that's exactly what you will get in return - a mediocre or limited resource.

 

[deafskeptic]

yes, deafskeptic - same like "dreamcatchers" - but if you look closely, it may say "made in China". Supposed medicine people charging $150 for a sweat...mass marketing and commercialism of traditional Native ceremonies-

yep.. if you have to pay to pray, it's fake. I'm not Indian myself and I didn't find out about this until after I did a google on indians and new age. I realized then that i was likely a viticim of fraud. I had a lot of unlearning to do.

 

[deafskeptic]

yep.. if you have to pay to pray, it's fake. I'm not Indian myself and I didn't find out about this until after I did a google on indians and new age. I realized then that i was likely a viticim of fraud. I had a lot of unlearning to do.

My unlearning has left me with a deep distaste for anything new agey.

 

[Jiro]

however - not everybody can afford to go to school. not everybody benefit from school. Alternative way - great books, rich life experience, open mindedness, and curious attitude are more than perfect. Those are kind of people I tend to listen to better. They can easily make campfire stories out of these boring material.

I believe you did no such thing. I believe you are a pompous man with unhealthy obsession.

 

[kokonut]

Refusing to acknowledge a fact does not make it false. Look how long the earth was flat! Saying the earth is flat does not mean that it's not spherical.

I'm not referring to anecdotal evidence. Sociololgists conduct empirical research on racism and other issues. Perhaps you haven't taken a sociology class, but it's really interesting. I've only taken one course.

Earth is an oblate spheroid. Even today, amazingly so, people who are in the modern age do not even realize that the Earth is round.

 

[Jiro]

Earth is an oblate spheroid. Even today, amazingly so, people who are in the modern age do not even realize that the Earth is round.

like who? Bushmen?

 

[jillio]

I have noticed that more recent arrivals from Africa seem to have a different take on things than blacks who have been here since before the Civil War. But even they think racism is real.

You are right about that. The recent immigrants do have a different perspective. I have discussed this with a prof I had in grad school that immigrated from Botswana. Also, blacks that aren't of African American descent have a different perspective, but do see the white privilege that happens here. For instance, in my cohort was a Jamaican black man, and a West Indies black woman, and their perspectives differed from those of African American descent whose families have been here for generations. It seems that American society automatically assumes African bloodlines when they see a dark skinned person, and that is not always the case.

 

[jillio]

I guess "white privilege" is a neat little way to explain why people don't seem to get everything they think they should. A person didn't get a job because their skin wasn't a close enough colour as the interviewer - it must be a race thing.

I wasn't offered a job for which I interviewed several times - is it because I wasn't white enough or is it for any other number of reasons? I thought I did very well in the interviews!

The whole topic of "white privilege" seems intended to guilt white people into feeling responsible for the troubles of non-white people when, in fact, that is not the case. My family is not rich. My father was the first in his family to go to college, same for my mother. I had poor grade in school and went to a crappy community college where any county resident could get in (and got poor grades there, too) but I'm doing well for myself (I think anyways! no debt, have savings). I've come from a poor but supportive family to create a decent life for myself in spite of any privilege anyone else may enjoy.

Actually, white privilege has virtually nothing to do with what you are assuming it does. What you are talking about is discrimination. White privilege is rarely the result of intentional discrimination. That's what makes it so insidious. The white population takes advantage of it on a daily basis without everr understanding the ways in which they are benefitted. They never question it. Discrimination is much easier to detect, and most will admit to an outright case of discrimination. White privilege is not admitted to so readily.

 

[kokonut]

limited. very very limited. You get what you pay for..... but in this case - you pay nothing for google and that's exactly what you will get in return - a mediocre or limited resource.

It also connects to databases and journals where you do have to pay for it. Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. do help you find internet addresses that can connect you to libraries as well. Even the Library of Congress which is chock full of social history (for me it's the ragtime music era). I didn't say everything is free under Google but it does help you find or point you in the direction you're looking for. Nothing limited at all if you know how to use your resources correctly and your imagination.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

You are right about that. The recent immigrants do have a different perspective. I have discussed this with a prof I had in grad school that immigrated from Botswana. Also, blacks that aren't of African American descent have a different perspective, but do see the white privilege that happens here. For instance, in my cohort was a Jamaican black man, and a West Indies black woman, and their perspectives differed from those of African American descent whose families have been here for generations. It seems that American society automatically assumes African bloodlines when they see a dark skinned person, and that is not always the case.

Isn't like 90% of the dark-skinned people from the Caribbean (including Jamaica) are African descendants? Maybe you are thinking of the South Pacific Islanders like the Solomons, Papua New Guinea... Australia...

 

[jillio]

before we were going over about some books, also anything by the late Vine Deloria Jr. I have enjoyed.

white privilege is also about redlining....areas where certain people, including Jews, were strongly encouraged or outright told to live, in U.S. Before I was born, White privilege has enabled people perceived as white to get jobs and develop financial and other achievements that were closed to others due to race or ethnic background.

Quite true.