Which public or deaf school?

Cheri said:
I don't think you understand my question Hun, I'm asking what type of program as is he in-- Total Communication? (signs, speaking, lip reading, finger-spelling), Oral (no signs, speaking only) You kept saying "oral public school" But, I don't think you're understanding what program that your son is in since you're saying the teacher does sign, but the kids does not. I believe it's a Total Communication program because in a Total Communication program, that program uses both seeing and hearing to communicate. That is why the kids who have cochlear implants are using their listening skills to hear the teacher and not watching the teacher's signs. Although not all deaf kids use ASL. Everyone is different and let them do what they feel is best for them to work with. I can understand your point of view that you would rather to have your son in a classroom with students that knows signs and to use signs to be able to communicate with your son.

If there is no other option for your son since you said that deaf schools only runs up from K to 12, then I don't know what else to tell you.

It doesn't matter if you want your child to attends a deaf school or mainstream (public) school, The important thing is whatever works best for your child, is where you need to go. ;)
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I just asked my mom what name of program is that? She said focus group..same thing what I said. She said that class is for signs and speak both either. But I only see teacher keep trying to teach kids signs. I never seen them try to teach kids how to speak.
 
Deafteen90 said:
If I was mom of a deaf child, I would personally choose a deaf school so my child would grow up with children like them and be able to communicate in either sign or spoken, whichever way they wanted to. Also small class sizes and 1-1 teaching
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Thanks for ur answer.
 
DamienMommy, are there any other Deaf programs in your city?
Personally for the early grades I would do a split placement.....you know....a couple of days at the Deaf School and then a couple of days at public so that he can find his niche.
 
Is the focus group not a real preschool or more of a "playgroup" or Head Start type program?
 
Damienmommy, I have a question for you. Is this specific public school with Total Communication or Deaf program the only school for your son who is already now three years old? If it is, then you will have to wait until he goes into a Deaf school with the Deaf program like you have been in school yourself. I am surprise that children with a CI refuse to sign in the special education classroom and also socialize with each other in signs. That is really sad. If you can find another school with a Deaf program and they all sign, then you will be relieve to have your son be among Deaf kids who can sign with you. I understand what you are saying that there is a lack of Deaf education for younger kids like preschool to kindergarten. I had trouble understanding my Deaf friends and the hearing students plus the hearing teachers in a mainstream schools without any sign language and no interpreters. That is why I wish to be in a Deaf school with the sign language so that it is easy to communicate with them and also to understand what is going on in the classrooms. I think the parents of the CI children have encouraged them to use speech and told them not to sign at all. Yes, it does look like there were changes in the CI children not to sign. I am truly sorry that this happen to your son being left out in his classroom. :(
 
deafdyke said:
DamienMommy, are there any other Deaf programs in your city?
Personally for the early grades I would do a split placement.....you know....a couple of days at the Deaf School and then a couple of days at public so that he can find his niche.
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No, this one is deaf program. Just itself kids changing, not program. Deaf program been always the same. Few years ago, some kids go to that deaf program, all of them know signs, maybe 1 of them wear CI with oral only. But now this year, there have a better CI, more success on kids. Now kids focus on oral, don't want to signs. But it's not about deaf program. Just kids' parents getting more into CI stuff.

Now more work for teacher, for teach kids to signs, more harder than before. My friend who is about 23 years old, his mom is teacher for preschool. I told him that more kids wear ci and oral only now..None of them use signs, cuz they don't want to. Only my son..then he said "oh man, now there gonna be a lot more harder work for my mom to teach kids how to signs."...I was like yeah.

That deaf program focus on signs mostly.
 
deafdyke said:
Is the focus group not a real preschool or more of a "playgroup" or Head Start type program?
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It's head start deaf program. Like, they teach kids how to signs say please, and signs for song, just getting kids ready for preschool..Kids need learn how to clean when the light off on off, teacher said TIME FOR CLEAN.. so kids learn how to clean, put toys away etc..Learn to sit on the floor by circle and have teacher read a book to them, teach kids how to pay attention to teacher and learn to wait for their turn for put something paper on the wall etc and..Sit by table for snack time..learn to tell teacher "I want apple please" in signs, and stuff..Just getting ready for preschool. Right now, parents are with kids in that school..for 2 years old..then preschool, without parents. So kids would know what to do without teacher show them each kids..more easier for teacher.
 
Bebonang said:
Damienmommy, I have a question for you. Is this specific public school with Total Communication or Deaf program the only school for your son who is already now three years old? If it is, then you will have to wait until he goes into a Deaf school with the Deaf program like you have been in school yourself. I am surprise that children with a CI refuse to sign in the special education classroom and also socialize with each other in signs. That is really sad. If you can find another school with a Deaf program and they all sign, then you will be relieve to have your son be among Deaf kids who can sign with you. I understand what you are saying that there is a lack of Deaf education for younger kids like preschool to kindergarten. I had trouble understanding my Deaf friends and the hearing students plus the hearing teachers in a mainstream schools without any sign language and no interpreters. That is why I wish to be in a Deaf school with the sign language so that it is easy to communicate with them and also to understand what is going on in the classrooms. I think the parents of the CI children have encouraged them to use speech and told them not to sign at all. Yes, it does look like there were changes in the CI children not to sign. I am truly sorry that this happen to your son being left out in his classroom. :(
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Finally, you got my point. Thanks for understand me. Yea but kids wear ci, they still call kids as deaf..so they are deaf, and go to deaf program. They can't make separate for 2 programs, 1 for kids-wear ci and other 1 for deaf with ASL only. Impossible. If that happen, then my son will be only one alone in classroom. Nobody kids would be there. I don't know anybody kids who use signs, in this city.

By the way, those kids with CI, their parents is trying to learn signs, they do want to teach kids signs, but hard for kids, they ignored signs and keep speak. I saw some parents telling kids to say please, or sorry. Kids keep speak then parents try to show the signs, then kids finally use signs in lazy way for "please" or "sorry"..very short one..not clear. Kids didn't motive for signs. I am not blame on kids for that.
 
Now kids focus on oral, don't want to signs. But it's not about deaf program. Just kids' parents getting more into CI stuff.

Now more work for teacher, for teach kids to signs, more harder than before. My friend who is about 23 years old, his mom is teacher for preschool. I told him that more kids wear ci and oral only now..None of them use signs, cuz they don't want to. Only my son..then he said "oh man, now there gonna be a lot more harder work for my mom to teach kids how to signs."...I was like yeah.

That deaf program focus on signs mostly.
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Well you know....it's still early. MANY of them still have significent language delays otherwise they wouldn't be in the program.
It's possible that some of the kids will end up at a deaf program.
Not all trained oral dhh kids will stay that way.
You know..........it's possible that some of the parents really want to learn ASL, but they don't have the resources to pick it up. You could point out to them that with ASL their kids can function both with and without CIs. Not to mention that it's a great social tool. Very few oral dhh folks are adapt socially in the hearing world. Social issues tend to be a perhenional among oral deaf kids.
Some of the kids may be thinking " I don't need ASL." Or they might be picking up from their parents that ASL is "special needs" and that it's better to hear and talk. I know many parents have that attitude.
I was exposed to ASL as a little kid (our next door neighbor was Deaf) but I remember thinking that I didn't "need" ASL.
You know............I've got an awesome idea. Maybe a good idea might be to start a playgroup for dhh kids. That might fill in the cracks til your son can go to kindy at the deaf school.
 
damienmommy said:
Finally, you got my point. Thanks for understand me. Yea but kids wear ci, they still call kids as deaf..so they are deaf, and go to deaf program. They can't make separate for 2 programs, 1 for kids-wear ci and other 1 for deaf with ASL only. Impossible. If that happen, then my son will be only one alone in classroom. Nobody kids would be there. I don't know anybody kids who use signs, in this city.

By the way, those kids with CI, their parents is trying to learn signs, they do want to teach kids signs, but hard for kids, they ignored signs and keep speak. I saw some parents telling kids to say please, or sorry. Kids keep speak then parents try to show the signs, then kids finally use signs in lazy way for "please" or "sorry"..very short one..not clear. Kids didn't motive for signs. I am not blame on kids for that.
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it is very possible that these CI kids feel ashame of their deafness and don't want to be different. Which is common feeling when you are in a public school. I was ashame of my deafness because there were more hearing people than deaf people. I didn't want anything to do with deaf. I didn't want to wear a FM system in Junior high at all because the teacher would be wearing the microphone. Plus, it was embarrassing to give the mic to one teacher to another at each class period.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
it is very possible that these CI kids feel ashame of their deafness and don't want to be different. Which is common feeling when you are in a public school. I was ashame of my deafness because there were more hearing people than deaf people. I didn't want anything to do with deaf. I didn't want to wear a FM system in Junior high at all because the teacher would be wearing the microphone. Plus, it was embarrassing to give the mic to all my teachers when I go one class to another.
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No they are just babies under three years old. They are just learning differently from the old days.

Looks like there is no other choice anyway until kindergarten since it is the only program.
 
even 4 years old can feel that way. I remember my preschool year very clearly and how i felt about being deaf. I'm not sure about 3 years old though. but I remember my preschool years. I remember my preschool color song :D
 
mostly deaf parents always chose for kids going deaf school or public school its dosent matter who chose right educations and teachers.

im been raise at Kansas School for the Deaf K-12 but IF i have my own kids somedays if i would chose school for my own kids like deaf or public have good education,good grades no bad grades neither.
 
Bottesini said:
No they are just babies under three years old.
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Yea, ASL wasn't their primary language, so kids this young at the age of 3 aren't so interested in learning signs as spoken language was their primary language. I would say give them time to come around. :P
 
deafdyke said:
Well you know....it's still early. MANY of them still have significent language delays otherwise they wouldn't be in the program.
It's possible that some of the kids will end up at a deaf program.
Not all trained oral dhh kids will stay that way.
You know..........it's possible that some of the parents really want to learn ASL, but they don't have the resources to pick it up. You could point out to them that with ASL their kids can function both with and without CIs. Not to mention that it's a great social tool. Very few oral dhh folks are adapt socially in the hearing world. Social issues tend to be a perhenional among oral deaf kids.
Some of the kids may be thinking " I don't need ASL." Or they might be picking up from their parents that ASL is "special needs" and that it's better to hear and talk. I know many parents have that attitude.
I was exposed to ASL as a little kid (our next door neighbor was Deaf) but I remember thinking that I didn't "need" ASL.
You know............I've got an awesome idea. Maybe a good idea might be to start a playgroup for dhh kids. That might fill in the cracks til your son can go to kindy at the deaf school.
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Ohh, ok thanks. I wasn't sure when deaf kids tend start to learn ASL..while parents are hearing. I guess they are delay.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
it is very possible that these CI kids feel ashame of their deafness and don't want to be different. Which is common feeling when you are in a public school. I was ashame of my deafness because there were more hearing people than deaf people. I didn't want anything to do with deaf. I didn't want to wear a FM system in Junior high at all because the teacher would be wearing the microphone. Plus, it was embarrassing to give the mic to one teacher to another at each class period.
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Oh yeah, but those 2 years old kids don't understand that they are different than hearing kids yet..they are too young.

That's the reason why I kept hide my hearing aids. I put in backpack, because its embarrassed to wear them. I don't want to look like retard..that's when I was little kid in elementary. So I stopped use it since. But now I tried it on, I couldn't understand what the different sound. I don't like the feeling of hearing aids, feel hot inside ears...so I am continue don't wear it.
 
My daughter started learning sign at 12 months, 6 months before we found her loss. Don't assume that the kids are delayed. It is possible that they are just comfortable using speech and don't need/want to sign right now.

I also don't think they are ashamed. Why would they be? They are in a class with othr deaf kids, what is there to be embarassed about?
 
Bottesini said:
No they are just babies under three years old. They are just learning differently from the old days.

Looks like there is no other choice anyway until kindergarten since it is the only program.
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yeah I guess I will wait till he's close to go kindergarten then I will visit both school first, see which more kids with ASL in class. I want my kid Damien go to class with more kids with ASL.

Some of kids don't interesting to have friends, not yet..they focus on toys and stuff. When I was little kid, I don't really feel left out because I don't care if I don't have friends or not. I just focus on sports, toys, barbie, dolls..etc I was fine with being independent. But my son is different than me and most of kids in class. He keep interesting into kids, obsessed with kids, and he got sooo excited to go to class..said "Go bye to school with boys, girls, and teacher." again again..with smile huge. When he arrived classroom, he went toward to kids..than toys..but other kids arrived, went toward to toys only. I guess my son is into social stuff and want friends badly. And he kept beg me that he want to play with other kids in neighbor. so I went asked them to play with him, they did..they are really NICE kids.

I guess he should go to deaf school if public school kids who wear ci that still doesn't want to use signs. I want to give what my son want and it's match him is deaf school.
 
You know what would be an awesome idea? Talk to the teachers at the program, and maybe you could do a "workshop" with the hearing parents all about ASL and Deaf culture etc.
It really doesn't make any sense that "oral" kids would be sent to the program. Most hardcore oral onliers think ASL/Sign is poison and avoid it like the plauge. Maybe the parents just need a little encouragement to learn ASL. Maybe if they did, then the kids would see the parents using ASL and then think " Oh...mom and dad use it............I can use it too!"
 
faire_jour said:
My daughter started learning sign at 12 months, 6 months before we found her loss. Don't assume that the kids are delayed. It is possible that they are just comfortable using speech and don't need/want to sign right now.

I also don't think they are ashamed. Why would they be? They are in a class with othr deaf kids, what is there to be embarassed about?
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Hey, umm, some of kids isn't delay..but if they are delay, it's not parents fault..It's just harddd for them to learn signs..I means, some of them have hard time to keep remember how to signs..not good at pick up the signs. Or whatever. They keep trying to, but still only have few signs. Couldn't remember all of them. I don't blame on them. In my old deaf school, SOOO many kids parents don't know signs. Just veryyy little bit like yes, bye, i love you, thanks, go, or no. That's it. Even kids are in the high school, their parents still don't know signs. But Kids know all of signs. Kids learned the signs from school and other kids. Kids isn't always learn from their parents. My dad know some of signs, but not much. He really want to know more signs but it's too hard for him. His hands is stiff..Like he trying to say D..but hands couldn't say D.. Other pinky keep show..when he said D..And he easily forgot some signs. So he gave up and use his own homemade signs. We can understand eachother with homemade. Most of my friends was like huh? they don't even understand what me and my dad talking about, because we have own homemade because dad couldn't do their signs way.

NONE of kids parents are wrong or bad if they don't signs. It just plain hard for them. It ok, kids can learn it from school and other kids later without parents.
 
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