What did you learn today? Part II

TheWriteAlex said:
You feel like a black man dressed up like a grandma and going crazy with a gun? :hmm:
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No, but the reaction is appropriate. I'd pick up a gun right now and chase you out of my house.
 
lanapoo said:
He had no choice. I'd rather him stay in jail so that I know he's okay and still near my home in California than have him in the front line. He could possibly get killed by a random grenade. :(
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since he committed crime and he faced a possibility of going to jail... he's much much much more likely to get killed by a thug shanking him than grenade simply because your brother looked at him wrong.

and your brother does not have to be a combatant-type soldier. He can simply choose non-combatant role such as mechanic, logistic, etc.

I'm with TheWriteAlex on it. His future would be much better if he were a veteran than a convicted felon. Of COURSE he doesn't want to be in military but it's for his own good. The statistics is overwhelming enough that a convicted felon is a repeated offender.

so you say you're his oldest sister and you have an intuition to protect him. What kind of person would pick prison over military?
 
Jiro said:
since he committed crime and he faced a possibility of going to jail... he's much much much more likely to get killed by a thug shanking him than grenade simply because your brother looked at him wrong.

and your brother does not have to be a combatant-type soldier. He can simply choose non-combatant role such as mechanic, logistic, etc.

I'm with TheWriteAlex on it. His future would be much better if he were a veteran than a convicted felon. Of COURSE he doesn't want to be in military but it's for his own good. The statistics is overwhelming enough that a convicted felon is a repeated offender.

so you say you're his oldest sister and you have an intuition to protect him. What kind of person would pick prison over military?
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Stay out of it.
 
Jiro said:
ah so you KNOW him? was he a type to commit crime?
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Yes, I KNOW him. He hung out with the wrong crowd in high school and did a few drugs there and there. That was it. It's not like he murdered anyone. He's trying to turn his life around now.

He's still a good person so stay out of it. Don't fucking judge my brother. Don't call him a criminal because he is not one.
 
lanapoo said:
It can be a good option for him, but I just don't see it as the only option. That's why I have a problem with it. I'm irritated with TWA right now because he's trying to use statistics against me and tell me that my brother would just continue to be a criminal if he went to jail basically.

There are criminals in the military, too. Killing innocent civilians in Middle East and raping women there. You tell me that military will actually change a troublemaker for better? It depends entirely on the person's mentality.

There has to be another way.
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As with any career or job there will be troublemakers that make the whole look bad. What happened at Abu Ghraib will never happen again as those who were involved were court martialed and punished. They are now serving time in military prisons here in the United States. They will be dishonorably discharged upon their release and will have a felony on their civilian record to show for it.

You are correct it is about the mentality, but the whole point of basic training is to 'get in your face' and see what your made of. They will break him down, but at the same time they will build him back up into a confident, well-directed person. I'm not saying the military is not a cure-all, but for many people it does help when they are running out of options.

The reason why I am saying the military is not a cure-all? My jackass exhusband was ex-military. He still had a record long as my arm after everything came to light. However it was said by his own father that when he was in the army, he was actually doing really good because he was right there where someone was watching him, giving him direct orders, and he was receiving high marks from his commander. His father wished he had stayed in the military, he would have done extremely well. After he got out, that's when everything went down hill. The military can be good for those that need this type of hardcore direction in their life with the comraderie of their unit. Your brother is low on options and to him the military may have seemed like the lesser of two evils. Encourage him on this endeavor, instead of worrying. I understand it's your 'motherly instinct' kicking in, which tells me you will be a very good mother one of these days if you aren't already! :wave:
 
Dixie said:
As with any career or job there will be troublemakers that make the whole look bad. What happened at Abu Ghraib will never happen again as those who were involved were court martialed and punished. They are now serving time in military prisons here in the United States. They will be dishonorably discharged upon their release and will have a felony on their civilian record to show for it.

You are correct it is about the mentality, but the whole point of basic training is to 'get in your face' and see what your made of. They will break him down, but at the same time they will build him back up into a confident, well-directed person. I'm not saying the military is not a cure-all, but for many people it does help when they are running out of options.

The reason why I am saying the military is not a cure-all? My jackass exhusband was ex-military. He still had a record long as my arm after everything came to light. However it was said by his own father that when he was in the army, he was actually doing really good because he was right there where someone was watching him, giving him direct orders, and he was receiving high marks from his commander. His father wished he had stayed in the military, he would have done extremely well. After he got out, that's when everything went down hill. The military can be good for those that need this type of hardcore direction in their life with the comraderie of their unit. Your brother is low on options and to him the military may have seemed like the lesser of two evils. Encourage him on this endeavor, instead of worrying. I understand it's your 'motherly instinct' kicking in, which tells me you will be a very good mother one of these days if you aren't already! :wave:
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Yeah, we'll see what happens. I just hope he can turn his life around for the better. I'm just afraid that he'll end up with PTSD or whatever that may ruin who he is. That's why I have mixed feelings about it and was hoping that there could be another option besides prison and military. Maybe another chance would be great, but I know he has to accept the responsibility.

I'm just angry with people on here basically judging my brother.
 
lanapoo said:
It can be a good option for him, but I just don't see it as the only option. That's why I have a problem with it. I'm irritated with TWA right now because he's trying to use statistics against me and tell me that my brother would just continue to be a criminal if he went to jail basically.

There are criminals in the military, too. Killing innocent civilians in Middle East and raping women there. You tell me that military will actually change a troublemaker for better? It depends entirely on the person's mentality.

There has to be another way.
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your brother could be like one of those criminals in military that kill random people and dogs?

I don't see how is there any other way except military especially when it comes to prison
 
lanapoo said:
Yeah, we'll see what happens. I just hope he can turn his life around for the better. I'm just afraid that he'll end up with PTSD or whatever that may ruin who he is. That's why I have mixed feelings about it and was hoping that there could be another option besides prison and military. Maybe another chance would be great, but I know he has to accept the responsibility.

I'm just angry with people on here basically judging my brother.
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where did anybody judge your brother? The basic facts are that he's put himself in a bad position by making poor decisions and is now living with the consequences of his actions. Where did anybody say he is a bad person, or a criminal, etc. etc.?
 
I'm not going to get into jail or army being the better. I'll just say that I hope he gets through it OK.
 
lanapoo said:
Yes, I KNOW him. He hung out with the wrong crowd in high school and did a few drugs there and there. That was it. It's not like he murdered anyone. He's trying to turn his life around now.

He's still a good person so stay out of it. Don't fucking judge my brother. Don't call him a criminal because he is not one.
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correct me if I'm wrong but he has committed a crime, didn't he?
 
Jiro said:
your brother could be like one of those criminals in military that kill random people and dogs?

I don't see how is there any other way except military especially when it comes to prison
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No, I was just making a point that there are criminals in military, too.

Just leave this alone.
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lanapoo said:
No, I was just making a point that there are criminals in military, too.

Just leave this alone.
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then you shouldn't have posted about your brother :roll:
 
lanapoo said:
Technically, no. His records basically got wiped clean thanks to my Dad.
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as far as I'm concerned.... your brother did technically commit crime. and how many times is your dad going to continue "cleaning" up his record?

I don't know if you realized it yet or not but your "motherly instinct" is not helping him at all. Think logic for once. If you strongly believe your brother would benefit more from prison than military, then good luck to your brother
 
Jiro said:
you did. you were getting all snarky and defensive.
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I was getting defensive? Of course, he's my blood and flesh. I will not allow anyone call him a criminal or make him out to look like one.

Smoking pot is a crime? Not in my own eyes.
 
lanapoo said:
I was getting defensive? Of course, he's my blood and flesh. I will not allow anyone call him a criminal or make him out to look like one.

Smoking pot is a crime? Not in my own eyes.
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sorry but the world doesn't revolve around you. In real world - it's a crime. You need to wake up and accept the reality.

If he got arrested for smoking pot, then he isn't being responsible enough for himself. All I can say is that one should do it in one's home only and nowhere else.
 
In California, smoking pot is not enough of a crime to land you in this kind of trouble.
 
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