warning it could be another symptom of global warming

Chase said:
That doesn't mean we can't conserve energy and reduce waste. That makes sense, too. But it requires more proactive education and example, not reactive name-calling, the current politics.
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Amen - but younger generations are much more educated and concerned. Even my 11 year old daughter came to me yesterday crying that she heard that the glaciers are melting on Mt. Hood :(
 
Over the years, the scientists have tried to warn people about the climate changes. Well. It does not matter if it is scam or not. It is no such a thing about the fossil. Do we use the fossils for our oil, right? Dead wrong because if we collect the fossils, how will we find more dead bodies (even cave people) in the ground for our heat homes? Do our dead bodies included animals create fossil? (Of course, no. If you said yes, the Europeans will laugh.) Now, you know that our raw oil is far deep in the Earth surface for us to get the oil out of it and produce it for our house heat and vehicles.

Let's go back about the climate. Does it have to do with our raw oil in the Earth surface? Yes, it's because of the imbalance. Let me explain this one. When the oil layers are getting thinner every few years, our Earth's lava core produces more heat toward up to the sky from the deep ground. This nature is not alone. (Why is there oil in our Earth? It's a mystery, and we may think that the raw oil help to make our Earth rotary.) We are people that also produce many pollution such as greenhouse effect from our machines that we use them everyday. i.e cars, refrigerators, burning oil from our chimney, dump that produce gases, farms from large numbers of animals' nature odors, air/heat conditioners, electricity companies (EMF), and some others. Air/heat conditioners, refrigerators, and vehicles are at the top line as well-known for our problems. Hope that you understand that.
 
Webexplorer, the "fossil record" is the history or plant and animal life solidified in rock in the strata of our past. Fossil fuels are another matter, and yes we should conserve them and find alternate materials and power.

Actually, I understand that natural forces contribute to upper air envelope pollution on a far greater scale than what people do.

Still, my point is it is a good idea to work for fresher air in cities, to keep our contrysides clean, and to use resources more wisely. I think that may be your point, too.
 
In my theory, I believe that when the oil runs out of the Earth, it would make a big impact for all of us. The heat core becomes smaller and smaller in every couple of years later because we extract the oil everyday for years. The heat becomes less and less that makes our ground lose the heat for the plants' extinction. The ground would become dry out and hard surface. The climate's recycle would come back to freeze temperature that would extinct all of us on Earth, but I am not sure about the water vapors that come from ozone.

I am being to wonder that the oil vaporized in the air that we produce the heat for our house. Does the oil involved in recycle naturally? i.e. An ice cube melted, and there is water. The water vaporized in the air. Then, it goes into the lake, river, and ocean. What about the oil?

I think that the oil is designed for Earth's rotary, and it is not designed for us to extract the oil out of the ground. It created some earthquakes in some countries due default line where there is no left oil in some hidden caves. Maybe, I am silly for me to say that.

I am sorry that this is boring issue, but it looks like that is what the Earth does for us.
 
Gemma said:
Amen - but younger generations are much more educated and concerned. ...
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Sadly, the younger generations are being taught propaganda in the public schools, disguised by pseudo-science. It's not real science.
 
There is no such thing as humans causing global warming...these changes have been going on since time immemorial. The human contribution to global warming wouldn't be enough to spit in your eye and drown it! Lol.....of course, that is NOT to say we shouldn't recycle and all that good stuff.
 
Reba said:
Sadly, the younger generations are being taught propaganda in the public schools, disguised by pseudo-science. It's not real science.
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What do u mean?
 
Shel, in one of Nutty's very small nutshells, Reba is saying pretty much what I said but wait, I think I hear her coming down the hall......lol
 
shel90 said:
What do u mean?
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The kids aren't being taught the facts by their science teachers. The teachers follow government mandated curricula, and throw in a lot of touchy-feeling stuff. They focus on "guilt trips" about mankind destroying the environment, and how to cooperate on group projects.

If kids are really being taught science now, why are they so willing to accept any crackpot theory that comes down the pike? Why are they more interested in video games then space exploration?

(Many of the public school "science" teachers don't even have degrees in scientific fields but that's another topic.)

How many parents sit in and observe the science class (or any classes that their kids' take)?
 
Tousi said:
Shel, in one of Nutty's very small nutshells, Reba is saying pretty much what I said but wait, I think I hear her coming down the hall......lol
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:rofl:
 
Shhh. I just heard that she tripped off downstairs. Her cat screamed, "MMMEEOW!"

By the way, many corporations pay schools to do this and that so we don't know what they are expecting for them to do with their life. There is no program for young teenagers to take care of the environment because of no money involved for a job. The government did provide the education program for approximately 5 years old kids to learn about it, but there is no continued program for older children and teenagers. That's the problem.

I was a member of KeyClub at my high school. We had a program to clean up the town, but it was a volunteering team temporarily. They never discussed about what to do with the future program for instance.
 
Reba said:
The kids aren't being taught the facts by their science teachers. The teachers follow government mandated curricula, and throw in a lot of touchy-feeling stuff. They focus on "guilt trips" about mankind destroying the environment, and how to cooperate on group projects.

If kids are really being taught science now, why are they so willing to accept any crackpot theory that comes down the pike? Why are they more interested in video games then space exploration?

(Many of the public school "science" teachers don't even have degrees in scientific fields but that's another topic.)

How many parents sit in and observe the science class (or any classes that their kids' take)?
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John Coleman is not against enviromentalism, just the Climate change warning. I would rather err on the side of caution. I am all for enviromentalism and recycling. We all should take responsiblity for Earth. I'd rather see that we use alternative energies than oil because it would mean the end of oil dependence. I am not that crazy about nuclear because of the meltdowns and the storage of the spend rods. I am for Solar/Wind power.
 
Buffalo said:
John Coleman is not against enviromentalism, just the Climate change warning. I would rather err on the side of caution. I am all for enviromentalism and recycling. We all should take responsiblity for Earth. I'd rather see that we use alternative energies than oil because it would mean the end of oil dependence. I am not that crazy about nuclear because of the meltdowns and the storage of the spend rods. I am for Solar/Wind power.
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No argument here.

I've supported a cleaner environment and conservation even before I took part in the first Earth Day in 1970. :)
 
I want to mention this one.

When you see bright white clouds on a nice day, this color bright white tells you that your area is clean.

If you see one that has gray or sometimes little tan on the clouds, then you have a problem with your town because your town produces a lot of dirty air that we really cannot see in the air.

The only way is for you to see at the bottom of the cloud where it absorbs the "smoke." The bright ones are on the top of the clouds have nothing to do with the clean or dirty.

A lousy day is hard for us to observe the clouds because the clouds increased mass of the form. Probably, they are carrying some water in them.

Actually, the dirty clouds move into the ocean. The salt air take the dirty particles down into the ocean. It's part of the nature cycle.
 
webexplorer said:
I want to mention this one.

When you see bright white clouds on a nice day, this color bright white tells you that your area is clean.

If you see one that has gray or sometimes little tan on the clouds, then you have a problem with your town because your town produces a lot of dirty air that we really cannot see in the air.

The only way is for you to see at the bottom of the cloud where it absorbs the "smoke." The bright ones are on the top of the clouds have nothing to do with the clean or dirty.

A lousy day is hard for us to observe the clouds because the clouds increased mass of the form. Probably, they are carrying some water in them.

Actually, the dirty clouds move into the ocean. The salt air take the dirty particles down into the ocean. It's part of the nature cycle.
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Warning: If you have tan clouds over your town, do not go jogging; you might chip a tooth in that stuff. :giggle:
 
Actually, I have tan that would match the cloudy as a camouflage so that no one sees me. Nah, I'll put my tooth under my pillow so that a beauty fairy would put a $10 millions check under my pillow.
 
This is what I think - the earth goes through regular warming and cooling periods, sometimes they are set off by a catastrophic event such as the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. Sometimes it is much slower. Remember the Darwinian quote? Survival of the fittest. Some dinosaurs were able to adapt or move in order to preserve themselves. Look at the Komodo Dragon - it has done incredibly well over the milleniums. Others did not fare so well and died out either from dehydration and/or starvation or from overheating or from hypothermia. There is evidence of this in certain parts of the world where geologists are able to look at the different rock layers, study them and come to the conclusion that at one point in time this area of land was either covered with ice or was once and ancient swamp with many jungle like features including swamp gases that would have been at toxic levels for us but evidently OK to the animals that lived in the place some billion years ago.

Even during the past two centuries we have seen extreme climate changes. Remember Krakatoa? Remember the flash over northern Russia that sent an expedition of scientist through frozen swamps only to find trees laid flat for miles but no sign of what caused it?
Remember the year with no summer were many people died of starvation due to a very short growing season?

Google it up - its all there. This warming is simply a trend we are going through, it'll continue to warm for a number of years then it will cool down again - but on the whole - yes there is global warming - its just not going to happen at the rapid pace that the media is wanting you to believe. And I agree that we do need to be on the verge of using all renewable resources and we do need to be a little more eco-friendly and conscious because we are wiping out certain habitats with the urban sprawl such as wetlands are being taken out with large farms due to the demand for ethanol. This is something thats going to be debated over for years.
 
Dixie said:
This is what I think - the earth goes through regular warming and cooling periods, sometimes they are set off by a catastrophic event such as the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. Sometimes it is much slower. Remember the Darwinian quote? Survival of the fittest. Some dinosaurs were able to adapt or move in order to preserve themselves. Look at the Komodo Dragon - it has done incredibly well over the milleniums. Others did not fare so well and died out either from dehydration and/or starvation or from overheating or from hypothermia. There is evidence of this in certain parts of the world where geologists are able to look at the different rock layers, study them and come to the conclusion that at one point in time this area of land was either covered with ice or was once and ancient swamp with many jungle like features including swamp gases that would have been at toxic levels for us but evidently OK to the animals that lived in the place some billion years ago.

Even during the past two centuries we have seen extreme climate changes. Remember Krakatoa? Remember the flash over northern Russia that sent an expedition of scientist through frozen swamps only to find trees laid flat for miles but no sign of what caused it?
Remember the year with no summer were many people died of starvation due to a very short growing season?

Google it up - its all there. This warming is simply a trend we are going through, it'll continue to warm for a number of years then it will cool down again - but on the whole - yes there is global warming - its just not going to happen at the rapid pace that the media is wanting you to believe. And I agree that we do need to be on the verge of using all renewable resources and we do need to be a little more eco-friendly and conscious because we are wiping out certain habitats with the urban sprawl such as wetlands are being taken out with large farms due to the demand for ethanol. This is something thats going to be debated over for years.
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hear hear, Dixie my dear friend.:wave:
Global warming works simply like the 4 seasons but on a much grander scale, it's all scaremongering and really silly, but if any good comes of it we will recycle our waste better. to cut matters short, volcanoes pump out more pollution(yes harful gasses) per day than humans do in a year, would someone care to expalin this one to me?
it's just another bandwagon for people to jump on and call it a pastime/get sympathy/protest etc, I wish they would all take up needlework and not waste my airspace :rifle:

I'm sure we might be speeding it up in a miniscule way, but it's going to happen no matter what we do, I believe the money thats being wasted on silly campaigns would be better spent on finding ways the human race can survive the inevitable global warming leading back into the rapid cooling of the planet(ice age) it's going to happen, no matter how much misguided politicians try to gain your support, the only thing that isn't definite is the timescale...

as much as we scots like our sheep, you won't pull the wool over our eyes
 
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