Warning - Extremely Heartbreaking

I will be at the polls when they open.
 
jenni-m said:
It makes me sad to know that he died... it is an unfortunate loss...

I have a lot of deep respect for our military.
Some people wonder... why do we send fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, friends, someones child...

Unfortunately, those are the people that our military NEEDS. It REQUIRES good people like that. We can't use the criminals, or the losers, like some suggest... as 1, it violates the rights that these people fight for. 2, we don't need 'losers' protecting for us, we need winners! It is the ultimate sacrifice... of self.
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Actually the rules & regulations of enlistment into the military has changed. If one has a GED, or a criminal background, they can still enlist in the military.

The reasoning for it is due to low enlistment plus it may assist one to turn their life around.

Liebling:-))) said:
Did I say anything to blame soliders? No Way!!!

I know that soliders only doing their job to defend our countries and do not want to attack other countries but they are being force to do that by government. I know what I am saying because I work for US Government.
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Work for US Government, doing what?

Chase said:
As usual, with abysmal ignorance, a comment is made by someone without a clue using "respectfully" to preface the most vile ideas. It is not your country those gallant U.S., British, Canadian, Australian, and Spanish men and women sacrifice to defend.

After the first half of the 1900s spent making unprovoked and inhumane attacks, Germany is "neutral." So it matters not what you might think brave people do in defense of world tyrants.
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Sorry Liebling, you are :Owned:

Working for the US government and being an American, are two different things. :)
 
It broke my heart to see the picture. This picture is one reason I have always against Iraq war from the start to now. Another senseless war.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Work for US Government, doing what?
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Do I must tell you everything what and how I work for Army caserne under US Government?


Sorry Liebling, you are :Owned:
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Sorry, you are wrong.

Working for the US government and being an American, are two different things. :)
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I work together with Americans clivians and soliders for over 22 years and know them... :)

You jump and judge too quick without know what I am and what I know... that´s why I do not wish to debate with anyone with their arrogance and ignorant manner who think they know everything.
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jiro123 said:
blame politicians for that, not soldiers. They were told that Iraq has WMD and they were willing to risk their lives to defend us from the harm.
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Wow! Powerful pictures you've provided us, Jiro123! You are exactly right on who to blamed if one doesn't like the war. I just don't want to see it turn into another Vietnam war where the civilians disrespected the returning soldiers. That is not what we want, ever. These soldiers work for Commander-in-Chief which is the President. They are doing their jobs, even they might lose their life which impress me alot.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Actually the rules & regulations of enlistment into the military has changed. If one has a GED, or a criminal background, they can still enlist in the military.

The reasoning for it is due to low enlistment plus it may assist one to turn their life around.
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Yes, I know. I am sorry I was not clear.
Yes, someone with a GED, or a criminal background is fine, as long as they are a good soldier.

What I was talking about, is when some people suggest that instead of sending volunteers, we draft criminals and 'undesirables', like taking murderers and rapists out of prison, to send them to war and hope they get 'blown up' so we can get rid of them.

It is sick, but I know of people who think that way.... and I say we cannot do this, because it violates basic human rights (which are given to even prisoners), and also there is no guarantee they will do a good job, they may take the opportunity to run amok, kill their superiors, or just plain not do their job.

So we do need people who are reliable, and care about their country, and actually -want- to fight for it... and these people tend to be the ones we miss the most, because they are overall 'good' people.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Do I must tell you everything what and how I work for Army caserne under US Government?




Sorry, you are wrong.



I work together with Americans clivians and soliders for over 22 years and know them... :)

You jump and judge too quick without know what I am and what I know... that´s why I do not wish to debate with anyone with their arrogance and ignorant manner who think they know everything.
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Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.
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jenni-m said:
Yes, I know. I am sorry I was not clear.
Yes, someone with a GED, or a criminal background is fine, as long as they are a good soldier.

What I was talking about, is when some people suggest that instead of sending volunteers, we draft criminals and 'undesirables', like taking murderers and rapists out of prison, to send them to war and hope they get 'blown up' so we can get rid of them.

It is sick, but I know of people who think that way.... and I say we cannot do this, because it violates basic human rights (which are given to even prisoners), and also there is no guarantee they will do a good job, they may take the opportunity to run amok, kill their superiors, or just plain not do their job.

So we do need people who are reliable, and care about their country, and actually -want- to fight for it... and these people tend to be the ones we miss the most, because they are overall 'good' people.
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Or tell them they will be released from prison directly to the Armed Forces under a special unit designed for prisoners, where if they serve 5 years of active duty in a warzone and receive satisfactory remarks from their superiors and successfully complete missions and assignments throughout those years, then they are sent back to the US to serve another 5 years of active military duty on military bases with the last two years transitioning them from soldier to civilian where they are then released to society. This program would be designed for prisoners serving sentences of 10 years or more in federal prisons all over the country. This would reduce the prison population, give these prisoners a real chance to turn their lives around through tough discipline and work. Upon release from such a program their records would be wiped clean. To a young 20 something felon looking at a 30 year sentence, this would be ideal for him to turn his life around, reduce his sentence and have his record wiped clean upon completion of the program.

But it wouldnt be mandatory, but it would be optional and such cases would be encouraged to join the program. I think this would be beat sitting in a cramped cell all day watching cable TV.
 
Dixie said:
Or tell them they will be released from prison directly to the Armed Forces under a special unit designed for prisoners, where if they serve 5 years of active duty in a warzone and receive satisfactory remarks from their superiors and successfully complete missions and assignments throughout those years, then they are sent back to the US to serve another 5 years of active military duty on military bases with the last two years transitioning them from soldier to civilian where they are then released to society. This program would be designed for prisoners serving sentences of 10 years or more in federal prisons all over the country. This would reduce the prison population, give these prisoners a real chance to turn their lives around through tough discipline and work. Upon release from such a program their records would be wiped clean. To a young 20 something felon looking at a 30 year sentence, this would be ideal for him to turn his life around, reduce his sentence and have his record wiped clean upon completion of the program.

But it wouldnt be mandatory, but it would be optional and such cases would be encouraged to join the program. I think this would be beat sitting in a cramped cell all day watching cable TV.
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by accepting felons into armed forces, it cheapen the sense of honorable duty in military. That's why they do not enlist convicts - sometimes they do under dire situation like Iraq/Afghanistan Wars. You certainly don't want ex-convict in law enforcement nor babysitting job. It's absolutely vital that soldiers maintain their cool in time of war. We don't want to hear in news about soldier raping and killing a family.
 
jiro123 said:
by accepting felons into armed forces, it cheapen the sense of honorable duty in military. That's why they do not enlist convicts - sometimes they do under dire situation like Iraq/Afghanistan Wars. You certainly don't want ex-convict in law enforcement nor babysitting job. It's absolutely vital that soldiers maintain their cool in time of war. We don't want to hear in news about soldier raping and killing a family.
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Unfortunately we have and they weren't criminals to begin with.
 
but with the right tools and the right discipline these felons can possibly turn their lives around to where they can be decorated soldiers.

it would NOT be a mandatory program, but one that is still voluntary for those who are facing federal sentences for crimes such as drugs, money laundering, conspiracies, theft of federal property (which is ironic since when you enlist you literally become property of the US Government and you have to get permission from your superiors before getting a tattoo or piercing or face discipline.) or felon in possession of a firearm.

Those who are in for rape, molestation, murder, and other violent crimes would be turned down, but if they display perfect behavior in prison and having served at least 5 years of their sentence behind bars, they can apply for the program to be considered but with their violent background can be turned down. It would be left up to a deciding committee if such a program would be beneficial in rehabbing the criminal to allow them to successfully return to society. But if violent crimes are in their histories, the violent crimes would not be removed from their records, but non-violent charges would be removed. This is so that we can still keep up with sexual predators, as seen with Joesf Fritzl, they can strike again 15 years later after having their records expunged.
 
Dixie said:
but with the right tools and the right discipline these felons can possibly turn their lives around to where they can be decorated soldiers.

it would NOT be a mandatory program, but one that is still voluntary for those who are facing federal sentences for crimes such as drugs, money laundering, conspiracies, theft of federal property (which is ironic since when you enlist you literally become property of the US Government and you have to get permission from your superiors before getting a tattoo or piercing or face discipline.) or felon in possession of a firearm.

Those who are in for rape, molestation, murder, and other violent crimes would be turned down, but if they display perfect behavior in prison and having served at least 5 years of their sentence behind bars, they can apply for the program to be considered but with their violent background can be turned down. It would be left up to a deciding committee if such a program would be beneficial in rehabbing the criminal to allow them to successfully return to society. But if violent crimes are in their histories, the violent crimes would not be removed from their records, but non-violent charges would be removed. This is so that we can still keep up with sexual predators, as seen with Joesf Fritzl, they can strike again 15 years later after having their records expunged.
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I can actually see the logic in this, and it is good.
I still agree with jiro, about honor, however... I think some may object to this based on that alone, regardless of the benefit on paper. It could cause some problems, especially in the beginning.
But you did come up a very well thought out and technically plausible idea, I do like that.
 
Dixie said:
but with the right tools and the right discipline these felons can possibly turn their lives around to where they can be decorated soldiers.

it would NOT be a mandatory program, but one that is still voluntary for those who are facing federal sentences for crimes such as drugs, money laundering, conspiracies, theft of federal property (which is ironic since when you enlist you literally become property of the US Government and you have to get permission from your superiors before getting a tattoo or piercing or face discipline.) or felon in possession of a firearm.

Those who are in for rape, molestation, murder, and other violent crimes would be turned down, but if they display perfect behavior in prison and having served at least 5 years of their sentence behind bars, they can apply for the program to be considered but with their violent background can be turned down. It would be left up to a deciding committee if such a program would be beneficial in rehabbing the criminal to allow them to successfully return to society. But if violent crimes are in their histories, the violent crimes would not be removed from their records, but non-violent charges would be removed. This is so that we can still keep up with sexual predators, as seen with Joesf Fritzl, they can strike again 15 years later after having their records expunged.
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I'm still not comfortable with that idea at all. Military is not all about discipline. They will train you as a weapon of war so I'm not comfortable about it at all. Training ex-convict how to kill, blow up, etc. Instead - how about Civil Engineer program - construction?
 
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