US Military Must Accept Illegal Aliens!

VacationGuy234 said:
Then we can't use the argument that they had a criminal past before they entered the U.S. can we?
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We most certainly can!

And, absent that, we can't use it as a valid reason not to use them as a resource.

I understand the fear that people have about it. I just think military can handle it.
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That is exactly how the military can "handle" it. If the person can't prove who he is and where he's from, then he can't enlist. Period.

When I enlisted, I had to provide all my identification documentation and I was born in the United States.

When I had to get a security clearance, I had to provide proof of my life from birth until current. I had to provide the address of each place I had ever lived, each school that I had attended, several personal references, every job that I ever had, every organization I had belonged to, every country that I had visited, my fingerprints, and any foreign relatives.

I still don't know exactly what you mean by "handle" it unless you tell me.
 
Just now really got into reading detail about this and this http://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals leads me to think that this applies to the group nicknamed "dreamers" that were brought here by their parents as kids and were not the ones to make the decision to come here. There is also reference to them having been here since 2007 or earlier. That doesn't sound like much more risk that people born here.
 
Reba said:
We most certainly can!


That is exactly how the military can "handle" it. If the person can't prove who he is and where he's from, then he can't enlist. Period.

When I enlisted, I had to provide all my identification documentation and I was born in the United States.

When I had to get a security clearance, I had to provide proof of my life from birth until current. I had to provide the address of each place I had ever lived, each school that I had attended, several personal references, every job that I ever had, every organization I had belonged to, every country that I had visited, my fingerprints, and any foreign relatives.

I still don't know exactly what you mean by "handle" it unless you tell me.
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A friend of my father didn't even know he wasn't a citizen until he enlisted in the military.

He was born in Mexico and came here at two years of age, but his parents didn't tell him.

That was during the Korean war, and the military certainly accepted him, and he served honorably and became a US citizen.

I don't think he could really prove too much.
 
Bottesini said:
A friend of my father didn't even know he wasn't a citizen until he enlisted in the military.

He was born in Mexico and came here at two years of age, but his parents didn't tell him.

That was during the Korean war, and the military certainly accepted him, and he served honorably and became a US citizen.

I don't think he could really prove too much.
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"Like"
 
Bottesini said:
A friend of my father didn't even know he wasn't a citizen until he enlisted in the military.

He was born in Mexico and came here at two years of age, but his parents didn't tell him.

That was during the Korean war, and the military certainly accepted him, and he served honorably and became a US citizen.

I don't think he could really prove too much.
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You don't think he could prove much but you don't really know how much he did prove.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that his parents came to America illegally?

Just because someone was born in Mexico doesn't automatically mean they came to the U.S. illegally. Many do come legally.
 
Jane B. said:
Just now really got into reading detail about this and this http://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals leads me to think that this applies to the group nicknamed "dreamers" that were brought here by their parents as kids and were not the ones to make the decision to come here. There is also reference to them having been here since 2007 or earlier. That doesn't sound like much more risk that people born here.
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Yes, I know that they mentioned the "dreamers."

If they can prove their backgrounds well enough to satisfy authorities, then that's up to them. That includes their history back to their birth (just as I described earlier), and family relationships.

As an example about family members, back during the Cold War Era, American citizens who wanted to enlist had to have the backgrounds checked of any family members, by birth or marriage, who lived in Cuba, Eastern Europe, Korea, Southeast Asia, China, or the USSR, among a few other places.

That would pertain now, especially drug cartels and the Middle East, and parts of Africa.
 
Reba said:
You don't think he could prove much but you don't really know how much he did prove.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that his parents came to America illegally?

Just because someone was born in Mexico doesn't automatically mean they came to the U.S. illegally. Many do come legally.
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No, I am certain they came here legally.

I must have missed something.
 
Bottesini said:
No, I am certain they came here legally.

I must have missed something.
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The debate is about illegal aliens joining the military. There is no problem with legal immigrants joining.
 
Reba said:
The debate is about illegal aliens joining the military. There is no problem with legal immigrants joining.
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Figured that out...
I think my brain went on vacation for a moment there.
 
Reba said:
The debate is about illegal aliens joining the military. There is no problem with legal immigrants joining.
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Were the Boston marathon bombers legal immigrants? If so, no problem with them to join the military? If they didn't bomb the marathon before and join the military, wouldn't they kill our military whenever they could? Oh yes, they could!
 
CrazyPaul said:
Were the Boston marathon bombers legal immigrants? If so, no problem with them to join the military? If they didn't bomb the marathon before and join the military, wouldn't they kill our military whenever they could? Oh yes, they could!
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:lol:
 
CrazyPaul said:
Were the Boston marathon bombers legal immigrants? If so, no problem with them to join the military? If they didn't bomb the marathon before and join the military, wouldn't they kill our military whenever they could? Oh yes, they could!
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but they didn't and they wouldn't pass the background check.
 
Jiro said:
but they didn't and they wouldn't pass the background check.
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Remember Russia warned FBI about them? The result was that FBI checked their background and let them go. In other words, they passed the background check.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Remember Russia warned FBI about them? The result was that FBI checked their background and let them go. In other words, they passed the background check.
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actually no.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was supposed to be arrested for further questioning whenever he left or entered America. His name was red-flagged and added in TECS system (US Customs and Border Protection database) but.... his name was misspelled... therefore he never got flagged when he came back to America from Moscow at JFK Airport (NYC).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...brothers-but-name-was-misspelled-9217308.html

but either way... if he were to get a government job that requires security clearance, he would never pass it even if FBI didn't find any connection in the first place. The military can reject him if they're not satisfied with what they read.
 
femme Fatale said:
You've gotta be kidding me! LOL Of course they would need training and equipment to perform operations under our flag, we don't deploy sittin' ducks silly.
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you rather shot self in foot,provide training equipment etc and you'v train terrosist yourselves.
I on the fence with this...somebody stated the ebola could be sneaked in and the likely chance of getting it is neglible although if lived nearer to Africa like I do and about to go to spain you may feel different I believe in fate going to happen it will.What do amaze me the only two idiots I know of is two American scientists who slung two dead monkies in boot of car
no remember full facts but that boot of monkies crossed the states...danger not always come from illegals saying that wish these counties get themselves sorted out then bugger off back
 
Maybe the CIA can set up a covert program with the encouragement of our Community Organizer in Chief for those in Central American and South American to stay home by improving their economic and political systems....


Bebonang said:
The reason why children need to stay in USA for asylum is because they are not safe in Mexico, Central America and South America. There are a lot of bad things happening to people who are families who are in fear of their lives. They just can not stand to be in the violence country. Those countries need to stop this abuse and corruptions that are threatening to the people like the children. That is why parents are trying to send them to USA to be safe and better life like schools, food and health including a place to live free from fear. It is not fair to put down children like that. Give them a break. :(
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