Ugliest Dog

[Liebling:-)))]

I would of put Sam in sleep when I were Sam's owner.

Yes, This is my opinion.

I would advice you to be careful with putting your pet to sleep just because it's old and sick.

*sigh*, you twisted my word. I'm talking about Sam's poor healthy... Look at him, he's blind and have heart/kidney failure... The owner took her sick dog to Ugliest Contest... *shake the head* How do the owner feel if I take her to Ugliest Contest when I know she's sick and have poor healthy? SUFFERING is a cruel and abuse.



No, I would not put my 19 years old Sussi, cat in sleep because she's too old. She can walk, see and hear well. She can play with 1 year old Kim, cat.

The veterinarians here, despite the $$$$ they can make by performing euthanasia, advise against putting an animal to sleep as long as it shows the will to live.
If it's eating, showing interest in it's surrounding, basically showing this will to live, it may very well WANT TO LIVE.
An animal who doesn't want to eat anymore, sleeps all the time now that's a different story.

Well, put sick animals in sleep cost not much than take care of poor healthy with expensive medicines etc. I would say the Vet only use me for the money if they want to try to save the animals. I rather to listen the Vet's opinion answer if they know it's no chance to save them. I has to let Sussi go if the Vet tell me that it's no chance to save her life from cancer etc.

Just because Sam is blind it is no reason to put him to sleep. By this way of thinking ALL the blind dogs, young or old should be put to sleep.

To me, yes!
Because I withness myself that a dog of my friend is blind that he can't see anything. His head was hit on the wall and also fall down from downstair because he can't see... He has alot of accidents... His leg was fracture once... operation cost awful alot of money... oh no... Everyone include me suggest my friend to let him go and have his peaceful. It's cruel to see blind and helpless animals because they dont have anything to protect themselves like human... The Vet also suggest her to let him go... She agree at last and realize how suffer he is.

Now his other health conditions - Sam might be on medicines, and pain medicines that help him to have fairly comfortable life.
I had a cat who suffered from severe arthtritis and while on painkillers his mood perked up his energy increased and he lived this much longer despite having an arthtritis.

Only if the Vet tell you that it's good chance for your cat to stay survive after surgery or medicines.
I still have 19 years old Sussi who can walk, eat, see and hear well. Why should I put her in sleep? No Way because she's healthy but with Sam's condition is a different story...

And please remember - we don't know how the competition was done- I don't know- maybe that was only by showing the picture?
Either way, Chinese Crested is a very small dog, it fits into medium bag and can be very comfortably taken from place to place. I do not believe Sam's owners would cause him unneccessary suffering.
They obviously love their dog since it it still alive and the dog must require a lot of work now... surely uncaring owners would not go thru the hassle of caring for sick and old dog but rather take the easy way out- put "grampa" to sleep and buy new, pretty one??

And, a pet that is NOT taken loving care off, wouldn't EXCEED his life expectancy..

This is your opinion but I see different. I consider it as abuse and cruel...

as for this I am not sure what you mean:
You can't compare hairless dogs with Sam

I only showed the links for you to see what this dog looks like when it's young, because someone said a hairless dog must be ugly.. it's not

Fuzzy

What I mean is the link you show that hairless dogs don't have poor healthy and blind as Sam.

I don't care how look dogs have but worry about their healthy.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/05/earlyshow/living/petplanet/main706245.shtml


Sam enjoys regular gourmet meals of sirloin steak, cheese balls, roasted chicken and flan


sirloin steak, cheesballs? I don't eat it everyday!

lol

Fuzzy

Oh no!!!!!!!!! It's abuse and cruel because Sam deserve RIGHT foods, not that human foods. :-o I think I'm going faint as I read your link... :-o

Sorry, this condition make me sick... I'm sorry about my judgement over that owner... but I can't help it and feel hurt for poor Sam... I feel want to cuddle him and comfort him...

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Sam deserve RIGHT foods, not that human foods.

Now I am dumbfounded.

The best thing you can feed your animal is natural food, what they would eat in nature except for having it cooked - meat, veggies, fruits.
But by cooking for yuor pet you lessen the possibility of worms or bacterial or other infections. Sam is too old anyway for raw food.. but cooked sirloin, chicken, it's the best!

Some people, considered very dedicated pet owners, cook for their pets. Commercial food, like the cans and dry food is never healthy at all...

Fuzzy

 

[catlover_Amy81]

Yes, I agreed with fuzzy! Why are y'all dissing me? Geez, you gotta think carefully. :roll:

 

[Mistyrose]

Sam deserve RIGHT foods, not that human foods.

Now I am dumbfounded.

The best thing you can feed your animal is natural food, what they would eat in nature except for having it cooked - meat, veggies, fruits.
But by cooking for yuor pet you lessen the possibility of worms or bacterial or other infections. Sam is too old anyway for raw food.. but cooked sirloin, chicken, it's the best!

Some people, considered very dedicated pet owners, cook for their pets. Commercial food, like the cans and dry food is never healthy at all...

Fuzzy

Well, you know what? we rarely feed our dog dog food! hehe...we always feed him people food! what we eat, he eats the same like for example, if we have chicken for supper, he gets some chicken too minus bones, we always remove the bones. If we have pork chops, mashed potatoes and gravy, he gets the same, he loves it...he loves Buffalo wings (his favorite!) He loves spaghetti, ravoli, bread. If we have breakfast, he gets eggs, bacon or sausage, biscuits or toast..lol! He is not overweight either...he only eats once a day. We told the vet what he eats, he said that is ok!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I agreed with fuzzy! Why are y'all dissing me? Geez, you gotta think carefully. :roll:

that dogs should eat human foods? What a joking!

check this link:

http://www.friendshiphospital.com/health/dogfeeding.php

What NOT to Feed

Because some human foods are dangerous for dogs, it's generally not a good idea to feed table scraps. Besides risking obesity and bad manners in your dog, some people foods can cause health problems. Even some lower- quality dog foods and treats may have unhealthy ingredients (e.g., salt) that can pose risks to your dog's health. Again, the best course is not to give your dog food that is intended for people, but if you do, or if your dog sometimes gets into something uninvited, check the labels on the foods in your home, as well as on the dog foods and treats you give to your dog.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sam deserve RIGHT foods, not that human foods.

Now I am dumbfounded.

The best thing you can feed your animal is natural food, what they would eat in nature except for having it cooked - meat, veggies, fruits.
But by cooking for yuor pet you lessen the possibility of worms or bacterial or other infections. Sam is too old anyway for raw food.. but cooked sirloin, chicken, it's the best!

Some people, considered very dedicated pet owners, cook for their pets. Commercial food, like the cans and dry food is never healthy at all...
Fuzzy

Excuse me, I laugh so hard after read your post over cat/dogs cans...

Look at me, I fed Sussi, my 19 years old cat with can of cat foods. She is still alive... 19 years old with NO BLIND, NO DEAF, WELL WALKING, PLAYING like baby. Sussi have FULL teeth, but she lost only 2 front teeth last year.

NO even human foods because it could affect pets's healthy. Yes, cats/dogs love to eat human foods but they didn't know that human foods are bad for them. It's the owner who take care and make sure that they eat right foods.

I only give Sussi tuna, fresh salmone, cooked liver for special treatment like birthday, Easter & Christmas etc. Sussi got thick cream milk once a week (every Sunday) from us.

Sussi is fussy eater which it's different as my one year old Kim, cat. Kim love to eat human foods. She also took something from garbage bin... I began to notice that she has bad breath and awful smelly when she go litter box for her business which it's total different as Sussi. Sussi has no smelly when she had her business in litter box. I decided to stop to give Kim overleft humans foods which it started at 6 months ago. No bad breath and No smelly anymore. I know now why... Of course Kim will have tuna/fishes for treatment 3 times a years like what we did with Sussi.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, you know what? we rarely feed our dog dog food! hehe...we always feed him people food! what we eat, he eats the same like for example, if we have chicken for supper, he gets some chicken too minus bones, we always remove the bones. If we have pork chops, mashed potatoes and gravy, he gets the same, he loves it...he loves Buffalo wings (his favorite!) He loves spaghetti, ravoli, bread. If we have breakfast, he gets eggs, bacon or sausage, biscuits or toast..lol! He is not overweight either...he only eats once a day. We told the vet what he eats, he said that is ok!

How old is your dog?

I'm surprised that your Vet said this because alot of Vet advised the owners to not feed their pets with humans foods because it could affect the dogs/cats's healthy later.

 

[Mistyrose]

How old is your dog?

I'm surprised that your Vet said this because alot of Vet advised the owners to not feed their pets with humans foods because it could affect the dogs/cats's healthy later.

He is 3 years old...The vet said its ok after he asked what we feed him..we told him mostly meat like chicken, pork chops, steak, fish, turkey, bacon, sausage etc. Once in awhile, he gets some mashed potatoes and bread. He said its okay as long its MOSTLY cooked meat and occasional dog food. He advised to mixed cooked meat and dog food together which we do sometimes.
He is very healthy, really. He gets annual checkups at the vet and he always has a good report on his health.

 

[webexplorer]

My sister feeds her dog with veggies. I have seen some veggies bags at pet shops which surprised me. At first, I thought that it could be a problem. So far for five years, her dog's health condition is still excellence.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Anyhoo - do you people know what REALLY IS commercial canned and dry pet food made of?
Really nasty stuff.
There is not meat in there at all only "meat-meal", "meat by-products".
What does it mean? It mean the food is made from anything but good parts that are fitted for human consumption.
That means the commercial pet food is made from heads, hooves, intestines, ligaments, excess fat etc- the garbage:

""Although the purchase price of pet food does not always determine whether a pet food is good or bad, the price is often a good indicator of quality. It would be impossible for a company that sells a generic brand of dog food at $9.95 for a 40-lb. bag to use quality protein and grain in its food. The cost of purchasing quality ingredients would be much higher than the selling price.

The protein used in pet food comes from a variety of sources. When cattle, swine, chickens, lambs, or other animals are slaughtered, the choice cuts such as lean muscle tissue are trimmed away from the carcass for human consumption. However, about 50% of every food-producing animal does not get used in human foods. Whatever remains of the carcass -- bones, blood, intestines, lungs, ligaments, and almost all the other parts not generally consumed by humans -- is used in pet food, animal feed, and other products. These "other parts" are known as "by-products," "meat-and-bone-meal," or similar names on pet food labels.

The Pet Food Institute -- the trade association of pet food manufacturers -- acknowledges the use of by-products in pet foods as additional income for processors and farmers: "The growth of the pet food industry not only provided pet owners with better foods for their pets, but also created profitable additional markets for American farm products and for the byproducts of the meat packing, poultry, and other food industries which prepare food for human consumption."""

from:
http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

(please read this because this is really informative, I know it's long so I suggest print it and read it in parts)

Personally I am too sick and too lazy to cook for my dogs, so I use "good" quality commercial food but also I feed them all scraps and leftovers everyday.

Also, there is an increasing awareness about BARF:
http://www.barfworld.com/html/learn_more/what_is_barf.shtml
http://www.americangrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-raw-dog-food.asp

and last but not least I hope this is untrue but there was a rumour some time back that some companies include in their pet foods carcasses of dead dogs and cats.

So I personally firmly believe Sam is better off having his sirloin and chicken and cheese balls..
After all the little guy is well over his life expectancy..

Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Anyhoo - do you people know what REALLY IS commercial canned and dry pet food made of?
Really nasty stuff.
There is not meat in there at all only "meat-meal", "meat by-products".
What does it mean? It mean the food is made from anything but good parts that are fitted for human consumption.
That means the commercial pet food is made from heads, hooves, intestines, ligaments, excess fat etc- the garbage:

Sorry, I dont believe it.
German law are stricter about foods law in Germany. They will get in trouble if they faked any foods... We have labels on cats/dogs foods to let people know what meats they add in the pet´s can because of "allergic" etc. Look at my 19 YEARS OLD cat...

""Although the purchase price of pet food does not always determine whether a pet food is good or bad, the price is often a good indicator of quality. It would be impossible for a company that sells a generic brand of dog food at $9.95 for a 40-lb. bag to use quality protein and grain in its food. The cost of purchasing quality ingredients would be much higher than the selling price.

Remember that human and animal are different. They have something special and right foods for the animals, not human.

The protein used in pet food comes from a variety of sources. When cattle, swine, chickens, lambs, or other animals are slaughtered, the choice cuts such as lean muscle tissue are trimmed away from the carcass for human consumption. However, about 50% of every food-producing animal does not get used in human foods. Whatever remains of the carcass -- bones, blood, intestines, lungs, ligaments, and almost all the other parts not generally consumed by humans -- is used in pet food, animal feed, and other products. These "other parts" are known as "by-products," "meat-and-bone-meal," or similar names on pet food labels.

The Pet Food Institute -- the trade association of pet food manufacturers -- acknowledges the use of by-products in pet foods as additional income for processors and farmers: "The growth of the pet food industry not only provided pet owners with better foods for their pets, but also created profitable additional markets for American farm products and for the byproducts of the meat packing, poultry, and other food industries which prepare food for human consumption."""

from:
http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

(please read this because this is really informative, I know it's long so I suggest print it and read it in parts)

I´m disagree some of your websites how to feed pets. It saying that they can feed pets with RAW foods... Every Vets here in Germany doesn´t recommend us to do that but boiled any meats WITHOUT salt, spices, sugars, fat e.g.
You know that humans love to eat foods with spicy, salt, spices, sugars, grill, frying, etc which it´s not good for the pets.

Personally I am too sick and too lazy to cook for my dogs, so I use "good" quality commercial food but also I feed them all scraps and leftovers everyday.

Well, it´s to me, it sound lazy to feed pets with leftovers instead of feed them with right foods. I admitted in my previous posts about feed Kim with overleft foods until I notice her bad breath and her business in litter box awful smelly. I stop it.

Also, there is an increasing awareness about BARF:
http://www.barfworld.com/html/learn_more/what_is_barf.shtml
http://www.americangrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-raw-dog-food.asp

and last but not least I hope this is untrue but there was a rumour some time back that some companies include in their pet foods carcasses of dead dogs and cats.

Don´t you have Public Healthy Department in your country? They can find out either the canned is from dead dogs and cats or not. The pets are not stupid when they smell the foods.
I dont beleive the rumors until scandal in the newspapers then..........

So I personally firmly believe Sam is better off having his sirloin and chicken and cheese balls..
After all the little guy is well over his life expectancy..
Fuzzy

I personally don´t beleive to give Sam human foods because it affect his healthy. What if sirloin, chicken or cheese balls have salt, sugar, spice, frying, etc. ?

I don´t beleive to keep sick animal alive so long because they are SUFFERING.
I´m surprised that you doesnt bother to have a good look on Sam at Ugliest Contest. He is REAL sick dog. The owner took sick dog to Ugliest Contest is a fucking joking...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

My sister feeds her dog with veggies. I have seen some veggies bags at pet shops which surprised me. At first, I thought that it could be a problem. So far for five years, her dog's health condition is still excellence.

Yeah, I also feed my cats with veggies, too. That´s veggies I bought is from Pet stores, not human foods.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I'm afraid Liebling if you start digging, but really digging, you will found out that also in Germany the meat that is in pet's food is exactly the same as here- a leftovers after what everything else is taken for human consumption.
Do you honestly believe that german pet food is made of good quality meat?

Steaks, hams, sirloin ?? etc - I doubt it. I very doubt it.


I personally don´t beleive to give Sam human foods because it affect his healthy. What if sirloin, chicken or cheese balls have salt, sugar, spice, frying, etc. ?

What if they are not? See, you don't know, you just supposed so.
When I wrote about owners cooking for their pets OF COURSE they are NOT using any herbs,spices or additives not even salt or very little of it.
This is just a regular beef or pork or chicken or other meat cooked so the bacteria will be killed and served with some veggies (cooked also) and cooked rice or some other filler.
More meat than filler of course.

AS for BARF diet - have you ever thought Liebling what animals eat in nature? Raw food, and the best parts of it usually, not just hooves (they don't eat that at all) and ligaments. Occasionally some fruits and herbs, but mostly meat. Raw meat.
And even if our domestic dogs are not quite wild animals anymore and their diet vary from for example the wolfs, is still close.
So I would say, it makes sense, doesn't it?

Oh and BTW animals have a bit different bacterial flora in their intestines than humans and that's why they can handle raw food much much better than us.

Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm afraid Liebling if you start digging, but really digging, you will found out that also in Germany the meat that is in pet's food is exactly the same as here- a leftovers after what everything else is taken for human consumption.

I do not need it because I have pets all my life very well with no complication.

Do you honestly believe that german pet food is made of good quality meat?

Yes, because we have people from Public Health Department who control EVERY companies who produce foods, drink, ice cream, etc. etc. etc. They spy every companies and also pay their surprise visit to every companies and also resturants, too. They once caught companies who produce the eggs from hens etc, cows, etc and then lock their companies and make scandals in the newspapers. They are stricter about foods, drink, etc. They also found out bad qualities in baby food where it was produced from Spain and make scandal in the newspaper. All of baby foods was return back to Spain. I remember that scandal when I had a baby son in 1993/4. I returned baby foods back to store for refund.
Every companies are scared about strict people from Public Healthy Department because they would lock their business and make high penalty fine. That's why they worry about their reputation.
That's why I trust German social system to make sure their people's and pet's safety.
I have Sussi, cat for 19 years with NO complication.

Steaks, hams, sirloin ?? etc - I doubt it. I very doubt it.

Did you know that salt is also include in ham, bacon? Okay, this is your opinion. I stand with my own opinion firmly because I take care of my pets all my life.

I personally don´t beleive to give Sam human foods because it affect his healthy. What if sirloin, chicken or cheese balls have salt, sugar, spice, frying, etc. ?

What if they are not? See, you don't know, you just supposed so.
When I wrote about owners cooking for their pets OF COURSE they are NOT using any herbs,spices or additives not even salt or very little of it.
This is just a regular beef or pork or chicken or other meat cooked so the bacteria will be killed and served with some veggies (cooked also) and cooked rice or some other filler.
More meat than filler of course.

Really? You mentioned in some of your posts that you give your pets overleft foods. Would you eat without salt/spice/pepper before leave it to your pets? I don't think so.

AS for BARF diet - have you ever thought Liebling what animals eat in nature? Raw food, and the best parts of it usually, not just hooves (they don't eat that at all) and ligaments. Occasionally some fruits and herbs, but mostly meat. Raw meat.
And even if our domestic dogs are not quite wild animals anymore and their diet vary from for example the wolfs, is still close.
So I would say, it makes sense, doesn't it?

Oh and BTW animals have a bit different bacterial flora in their intestines than humans and that's why they can handle raw food much much better than us.

Fuzzy

I have check German and English websites and can say that they have different opinions.
As far as I know that feeding pets with raw alot is affect their bones which it's no good.
I alway boil meat or liver for my cats during special occassions... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER feed raw foods to pets. rarely is okay.

 

[DreamyHawaii]

Wow champion that I ever see real ugliest dog in my life! That dog looks like crypt!

You know what I am talking about CRYPT that name of scary movies commerical looks like familiar with dog and that man too. wow that makes me feel eerie! When I open the first page and I see that picture and it was scary me out of shit! Damn I means it no shit!

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Hey Liebling it looks like we have major communication problem. The way you reply to my post I have a feeling that you miss my point. I apologize if I make myself not understood. I'll try once again explain what I mean:
Yes, because we have people from Public Health Department who control EVERY companies who produce foods, drink, ice cream, etc. etc. etc. They spy every companies and also pay their surprise visit to every companies and also resturants, too.

It's the same here.
What I meant to tell is that no pet food companies will use prime quality meat for pet food. Prime quality meat is reserved for human consumption.
What is left: heads, bones, hooves, ligaments, lungs, blood etc is used to make pet food.
Just think about it - how much do you pay for good meat? do you think pet food would be so cheap in such quantities if it was made from prime meat?
It has nothing to do with German public system, it has to do with economy and meat industry. I would be very very surprised if for pet food in Germany good quality meat is being used. Like steak parts or porkchops parts.

Really? You mentioned in some of your posts that you give your pets overleft foods. Would you eat without salt/spice/pepper before leave it to your pets? I don't think so.

I wasn't talking about ME. I was talking about people who cook for their pets. Their do not use spices or salt when the food is intended for a pet.
BTW personally I don't like spices and peper, and I use very little salt. So my pet's are coincidentally safe with me.

Did you know that salt is also include in ham, bacon?

Oooops you completely misunderstood. I was reffering to animal parts, not the end products. I am sorry for being unclear.
I meant - do you think pet food is made from parts of animal like ham, steak, sirloin- raw, unprepared cuts?
I doubt it..

I do not need it because I have pets all my life very well with no complication.

I really, really have no idea what it has to do with what I said. Because what I said, if you start learning about German pet food you would find out what it is made of.
That doesn't meant American or German pet food is bad. I just happen to think natural food is always better than artificially, commercially made.

And also, these commercial foods even the best often contain a lot of chemical additives, preservatives to keep them fresh and unspolied. It's like us humans eating only pre-packaged foods- TV dinners, canned soups and meals, Chinese noodles, powdered soups etc..

Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hey Audifuzzy,

I can see that we have hard to convince each other over pet foods in our different countries.

That means the commercial pet food is made from heads, hooves, intestines, ligaments, excess fat etc- the garbage:

What is left: heads, bones, hooves, ligaments, lungs, blood etc is used to make pet food.

Anyhoo - do you people know what REALLY IS commercial canned and dry pet food made of?
Really nasty stuff.
There is not meat in there at all only "meat-meal", "meat by-products".
What does it mean? It mean the food is made from anything but good parts that are fitted for human consumption.
That means the commercial pet food is made from heads, hooves, intestines, ligaments, excess fat etc- the garbage:

I really, really have no idea what it has to do with what I said. Because what I said, if you start learning about German pet food you would find out what it is made of.
That doesn't meant American or German pet food is bad. I just happen to think natural food is always better than artificially, commercially made.

This what you said in your previous posts so check this link.
http://atn-riae.agr.ca/eu/3627002_e.htm check over dogs food.

It's the same here.
What I meant to tell is that no pet food companies will use prime quality meat for pet food. Prime quality meat is reserved for human consumption.
What is left: heads, bones, hooves, ligaments, lungs, blood etc is used to make pet food.
Just think about it - how much do you pay for good meat? do you think pet food would be so cheap in such quantities if it was made from prime meat?
It has nothing to do with German public system, it has to do with economy and meat industry. I would be very very surprised if for pet food in Germany good quality meat is being used. Like steak parts or porkchops parts.

It has nothing to do with German public system, it has to do with economy and meat industry. I would be very very surprised if for pet food in Germany good quality meat is being used. Like steak parts or porkchops parts.

Oh yes, it do with German public system because we have many legal systems here in Germany than in America. They only do is protect people/animals's healthy. We have strict law here in Germany which it's different as your country.

I'm very surprised that Public Health Department in your country think it's okay to produce with "garbage" in pet foods because here in Germany is not allow. :-o

Yes, we have meats in pets foods. We only have "thick" chopped pork, beef, chicken, duck, rabbit, heart, liver, salmone, tuna, kind of fishes with jellies or sauce and also some of veggies are included with no lungs, bones, ligaments etc as what the label of pet foods shown. We can see the meat in it when I cut into halves for the cats when they were kitten, that's time. I do not need to cut into halves because they are not longer kitten and can chew meat themselves.

YES, they use overleft meats to produce pet foods but not "gargabe" as what you mentioned.

They can order bones from the butcher for gratis if they need for their dogs.

Why should we produce heads, hooves, blood in pet foods? No, because Germans LOVE to eat heads, hooves and blood... :-o

Germans in old tradition use pork's head/face and pig's hooves to make meat jelly themselves, also soup, too. my MIL brought pig's face/head to house to make herself into pork jellies and soup.. She's not first and only one but alot of Germans in old tradition.

Germans loves to eat kind of blood sausages. :-o

They also use lungs to make "sour lungs", too. :-o

They also need some of bones to make homemade soup because of "marrow" in it. :-o

I see it myself alot here in Germany... My MIL is also one of them, too.

Why should they produce them into pet foods when the humans need them?

For your info.
I check cat's food again yesterday after read your post. I still see MEAT there.

"Gargabe" as what you mentioned, the pets can say difference when they eat human's foods (boiled meats) and "garbage" foods and will not like pet foods anymore but my cats still eat cat foods when they receive some of human foods from us for treat.
I began to understand why Americans feed their pets with human foods but I beleive that they know they would not feed them with spices, salt, peppers...

Oooops you completely misunderstood. I was reffering to animal parts, not the end products. I am sorry for being unclear.
I meant - do you think pet food is made from parts of animal like ham, steak, sirloin- raw, unprepared cuts?
I doubt it..

I understand you prefectly but I can't convince how different system we have in our countries.

No ham in pet foods because they are made with salt. (of course my cats love to eat ham but I gave them rarely for the treat).
No steak/sirloin in pet foods but beef/pork. Did you know that steak/sirloin related part of cow or pig?
No raw in pet foods but boiled.

Yes, we have "thick" chopped meats in cat foods.

And also, these commercial foods even the best often contain a lot of chemical additives, preservatives to keep them fresh and unspolied. It's like us humans eating only pre-packaged foods- TV dinners, canned soups and meals, Chinese noodles, powdered soups etc..

Yes, you are right that we have some chemical addivitives in human and pet foods to keep it long here in Germany but we have food rights accord healthy law. The preservatives and some chemicals was banned in Germany.

Check this link

http://www.healthrecipes.com/preservatives_and_additives.htm

Beleive me, I didn't know what TV Dinners is until I found out from other forum and here because we don't have like this here in Germany. Yes, we have canned soups, powder soups etc here but we don't buy them.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Ok, Liebling. I have no way to check by myself what German pet food is made of so I have to believe you.
But just so you know, the word "meat" written on the label on a can or dry food may mean anything, It may mean exactly the scraps I've mentioned and sometimes it says "meat meal" which still is not the choice meat but some better parts of an animal (very little of it) but labelling this way make the consumer thinks it's meat.
That's why I said research german sites that check what really is in pet food.
If really from good parts (prime meat) then I'll want you to send me your pet food here I pay

BTW the canned food here looks like it have parts of "meat", too.


Oooops you completely misunderstood. I was reffering to animal parts, not the end products. I am sorry for being unclear.
I meant - do you think pet food is made from parts of animal like ham, steak, sirloin- raw, unprepared cuts?

I understand you prefectly but I can't convince how different system we have in our countries.

You completely, completely DO NOT understand what I mean!

No ham in pet foods because they are made with salt.

I am not talking about this:

I am talking about the PART of animal that a ham is made of.

No steak/sirloin in pet foods but beef/pork.

Steak and sirloin is beef.
http://www.uglybrothers.net/RECIPES/rtlcuts.jpg

And that exaclty I am talking about- there is no that kind of meat in pet food.
No steak, no hams, raw or cooked.

Did you know that steak/sirloin related part of cow or pig?

Now I had to laugh Liebling, because all that time I am trying to explain what parts of a cow or pig I am talking about, and you ask me if I know..

I hope you understand now- there is no steak and sirloin parts of a cow or pig in pet food.
That's why I am trying to convey most.

 

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May I add, discussion with you is proving to be challenging, again
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