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Your talking! Union were protesting with low wage and wants more money and at the same time EPA made regulations, this is more than double whammy on company financials, unions don't see it and thinks Steel corp has more money hiding somewhere else. Now its gone, too late and its over.

No, I know about there are few steel companies still survived in northern states but I blame on federal government for being too far with environmental regulation - EPA that caused steel, iron, coal, etc went down. EPA did good job to improve the air quality but killed a lot of jobs, so more damage, that why I just want EPA to be loosen up.

In southern states, they have right to work law and you are not forced to join the union, unlike in northern states that where you can be forced to join the union and pay their dues. It is supposed to make easier for business to set in the southern states and I haven't think about how bad is union in textile factories, so I thought it supposed to be less ruthless because they were less likely to strike over labor dispute and the owners have power to fire the employees whoever went on strike. The southern states favor managers more than employees, it has been for many years and the state governors did deployed the national guards to force union workers went back to job, in around 100 years ago.

Now, most companies rather goes to oversea like China because they don't want taxes and government regulation (labor, environmental, safety) so put unions as small reason, just slice of pie.

The government regulations are obviously mandatory, so is taxes, but it isn't mandatory for companies to form the union because it is up to workers, so in states with weak union environment, you as manager have power to reject any contracts that demand by union workers and let them goes strike, so you just hire permanent placement so throw union workers whoever went on strike out.

There are many Korean and Japanese assembly plants in southern states because they are too difficult to form the union so it is part of advantage for companies.
 
It is true that unions are hurting business in some ways. Some business can survive, some do not it depends on how well their financial status goes.

Unions protect incompetent workers, making it difficult to fire them. Union people wants more money, and benefits hurting employers and passing the costs to customers. Incompetent workers who are slacking, and not doing jobs right making it difficult for customers that is hurting business.

It is mostly union's than management that is at fault in this. I've seen it plenty of times because I am union member doesn't mean I like union. I got joined when I was hired after high school and I've seen many negative effect not only on company but union people too. Both sides still get screwed in many ways so union doesn't always help people, it's all about money, money, money. Seniority is another issue and is not always fair to other people and also union takes money out of your pocket too, not only for representing you... some are for political funds too.

So you all have your opinions, and I have mine when I have seen it in my eyes.
Let me tell you something. Suppose, there is no APWU (Postal Union), USPS would screw our life up for sure. Thank God for APWU to protect our jobs from evil managements. That's a fact. Another example: w/o union, we might be given two-weeks vacation per year, even though we work for at least 25 years...w/ union, we get 5-weeks vacation per year.
 
Oh yes! I remembered that. For some reason after that happen airline fares dropped if I remember right.

Remember when airport tower employees were on strike, they were fired by Pres. Reagan because they violated the law. Same thing here.
 
Your talking! Union were protesting with low wage and wants more money and at the same time EPA made regulations, this is more than double whammy on company financials, unions don't see it and thinks Steel corp has more money hiding somewhere else. Now its gone, too late and its over.

What are you say about "Your talking"?

Back in 1970's, we didn't know about any risk with EPA so turned into true because EPA put steel and iron mills out of business and killed a lot of jobs.

Birmingham used to had a lot of iron mills until 1970's so they went out of business due to ran out of iron ores (resource) and tighten environment regulation (EPA, of course).

I talked to my friend who expert in business so he said cheap foreign steels and free trade hurt US steel companies.
 
I've had good management, some bad. It goes way higher management that try to screw people not your boss or supervisors. I have seen managements get fired or moved to another building at work because of union.

Suppose if Postal doesn't have union, it would save them a lot money and would not have bleed much worse. The postal business is dying slowly because they're losing billions everyday... not enough mail to survive... it's partly union, and others is because of online (paying online than snail mail). Postal relies on junk mail to survive barely. Almost daily, my mail is junk, I just throw it out.

FedEx is not union job... they are gaining volume because it is cheaper than UPS. Same with smaller shipping companies like OnTrac and others too They are a threat to UPS because of union and passing cost to customer making it expensive to ship.

It is getting worse than 50-100 years ago... unions are threatening business's life. Many went out of business, or sent jobs overseas. Like DHB said about steel... we had a bunch of it here in the past. They're gone now and we send our metals to China.

Union is part of political which we can not debate about here. Union is greed, greed, greed.... CEO is greed, greed, greed. So both sides are greedy that is hurting business.



Let me tell you something. Suppose, there is no APWU (Postal Union), USPS would screw our life up for sure. Thank God for APWU to protect our jobs from evil managements. That's a fact.
 
I've had good management, some bad. It goes way higher management that try to screw people not your boss or supervisors. I have seen managements get fired or moved to another building at work because of union.

Suppose if Postal doesn't have union, it would save them a lot money and would not have bleed much worse. The postal business is dying slowly because they're losing billions everyday... not enough mail to survive... it's partly union, and others is because of online (paying online than snail mail). Postal relies on junk mail to survive barely. Almost daily, my mail is junk, I just throw it out.

FedEx is not union job... they are gaining volume because it is cheaper than UPS. Same with smaller shipping companies like OnTrac and others too They are a threat to UPS because of union and passing cost to customer making it expensive to ship.

It is getting worse than 50-100 years ago... unions are threatening business's life. Many went out of business, or sent jobs overseas. Like DHB said about steel... we had a bunch of it here in the past. They're gone now and we send our metals to China.

Union is part of political which we can not debate about here. Union is greed, greed, greed.... CEO is greed, greed, greed. So both sides are greedy that is hurting business.
Know what? Postmaster General from USPS headquarter in Wash DC doesn't blame the unions for deficit at all because the unions have nothing to do with it. So wtf are you talking about?
 
Like I said you have opinions... I have mine and seen what's happening lately. Let's leave it at that.


Know what? Postmaster General from USPS headquarter in Wash DC doesn't blame the unions for deficit at all because the unions have nothing to do with it. So wtf are you talking about?
 
This is so true, 100 years ago, there was not even global competition. Now we got free trade thus increasing competition for labor and businesses. There is nothing we can do about free trade, it had happened and will always happen. I think it got to do with 1783 treaty signed in France between United States and Great Britain, United States wants independence from GB, one of our reasons was Free trade.

It is getting worse than 50-100 years ago... unions are threatening business's life. Many went out of business, or sent jobs overseas. Like DHB said about steel... we had a bunch of it here in the past. They're gone now and we send our metals to China.
 
What's more, APWU agreed to cancel several pay increases under contract for three years. So PMG and APWU get along very well. In the past, PMG asked Congress for authorization on lay-off but he changed his mind and offers us VER (Voluntary Early Retirement) instead. APWU and PMG work hard together to save USPS.

USPS is still here and will always be because USA can't live without it. Even Congress said "No, please don't close USPS!". Don't you fucking know that? Congress still depends on USPS for mail deliveries.
 
What's more, APWU agreed to cancel several pay increases under contract for three years. So PMG and APWU get along very well. In the past, PMG asked Congress for authorization on lay-off but he changed his mind and offers us VER (Voluntary Early Retirement) instead. APWU and PMG work hard together to save USPS.

Yup, same with UAW and they worked so hard to save GM and Chrysler from being gone, so workers have to take a tough choice.
 
Greed destroys jobs. It is not strictly a union activity. When corporate managers vote themselves massive wage increases, they fuel the fire of union demands. Who can blame them when the CEO gives himself a 30% wage increase, then refuses to negotiate with the union when they ask for 5%. Greed on both sides of the bargaining table.

The reason they ship work to China? No OSHA. No EOE. No minimum age requirement. Would Americans work 60 hours a week for $30 a month? It is greed by the top of the food chain that makes these decisions, not the grunts on the floor. Granted, there are many union workers that deserve to be fired, but there are also CEOs that take a company to the brink of bankruptcy, then award themselves bonuses and stock options.
 
Greed destroys jobs. It is not strictly a union activity. When corporate managers vote themselves massive wage increases, they fuel the fire of union demands. Who can blame them when the CEO gives himself a 30% wage increase, then refuses to negotiate with the union when they ask for 5%. Greed on both sides of the bargaining table.

The reason they ship work to China? No OSHA. No EOE. No minimum age requirement. Would Americans work 60 hours a week for $30 a month? It is greed by the top of the food chain that makes these decisions, not the grunts on the floor. Granted, there are many union workers that deserve to be fired, but there are also CEOs that take a company to the brink of bankruptcy, then award themselves bonuses and stock options.

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