Trying to understand

Jiro said:
epic fail. i think we need to bring in Bottesini
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:lol:

Teddy Roosevelt: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
Jiro: "Speak softly and carry Bottesini"

Don't know why it popped in my head but I think it is funny. I guess I am thinking of Charles Schultz' Peanuts where Charlie Brown was carrying Snoopy as in "Speak softly and carry a beagle".
 
imdeafsowhat said:
Hahahaha, I wasn't aware that I had to polish up my English. If you want to be like this, go for it. I don't care. I am not against ASL, I am merely saying that learning SEE is easier and faster than learning ASL, because nowadays people speak English and with SEE signing exact english, it's reasonable that people can learn SEE by doing one sign at a time.

Not ASL where you have to learn the signs by rephrasing the sentence from English into ASL. It's a bit complex.

Try to understand what I'm saying, not the words I'm using.

Jillio is attacking me. Am I supposed to be turned on?
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Thank you for explaining yourself. I appreciate it. :) What you've said makes perfect sense. Now I understand where you're coming from.
 
KDM said:
When I am talking (typing on msn) with my friend. Or when we are signing (I am still learning ASL). The way we talk is very different. The grammar is very different.
I have been reading the thread about the differences between SEE and ASL. It is helping me to understand more about why we talk so different. I would like to have a better understanding though. Sometimes we misunderstand what the other is trying to say because of the gap in the cultures and grammar.
I REALLY want to bridge the gap. Is there a written format or something I can read that will help me understand a little better, about the format of ASL? Maybe a website, or an explanation??

Thank you for your help. This site is VERY helpful!!!
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There is signwriting but I have a hard time understanding that. I just think ASL is like writing in the air but the trouble is that it can't be written down like English. Try deafvideo.tv or youtube.com, using ASL as a search word. Don't forget the 'dialects'. In youtube, you got to watch out that you aren't watching Australian or British vlogs or things like that. Their sign languages are totally different.
 
imdeafsowhat said:
Concepts, Facts, Statstics, who needs them.

Why not take advices from those who has advices.
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Yeah, all that boring reality. Who wants facts when they can have opinions formed without them? Honestly, logical thought is just overrated. :roll:


Sorry to harp on it, imdeafsowhat, I've just been having a lot of problems lately with someone who thinks she's justified in passing judgment and giving advice on a situation that she knows basically nothing about. It's actually much less frustrating to have someone form opinions based on actual facts, then contribute advice.

:2c: Ok, all done.
 
lsfoster said:
Yeah, all that boring reality. Who wants facts when they can have opinions formed without them? Honestly, logical thought is just overrated. :roll:


Sorry to harp on it, imdeafsowhat, I've just been having a lot of problems lately with someone who thinks she's justified in passing judgment and giving advice on a situation that she knows basically nothing about. It's actually much less frustrating to have someone form opinions based on actual facts, then contribute advice.

:2c: Ok, all done.
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it's a he with beard :cool2:
 
jillio said:
By that logic, regional variations in sign is no indication the signer is not using "true ASL" either. That was my point. One is a regional variation in a sign used to represent a concept; one is a regional variation in a word to represent a content. It doesn't mean the language being used is not "true" just because of the variation. :)
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Indeed. I know two different signs for mean. The sign I prefer is done with curling your fingers around one side of your chin and then moving them to the other side of the chin. It's a local sign for mean and I haven't seen it outside Virgina.

Like wise, the ASL sign for "public" and done with the mouth movement to refer to both hearing schools and the hearing. I've only seen it done this way in certain sections of Virgina but else where when they refer to hearing they use the mouth movement for hearing..

The same can be for English. When my sister's best friend moved to GA, she kept hearing "fixing to go to ______" all the time. Some things are said differently in other places.

Once my history teacher asked me if my father grew up in GA because he sounded like he had a GA accent. He was born there but he grew up in Fl near the border and then moved to VA.

I used to have a co-worker who had a thick Boston accent. She'd say things like "I went to my cah in the pahking lot". It sounded like "I went to my packer in the packing lot" to me.
 
Will someone shed some light here? Which language am I speaking? I know sign languages in english. I'm hearing some say ASL is not a language speaking property english? I thought that's what it stands for?!?!
 
Nathan said:
Will someone shed some light here? Which language am I speaking? I know sign languages in english. I'm hearing some say ASL is not a language speaking property english? I thought that's what it stands for?!?!
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ASL = American Sign Lanugage

SEE = Signing Exact English

CASE = Conceptually Accurate Signed English

If you are signing in English, you are speaking (sic signing) English, not ASL.
 
jillio said:
ASL = American Sign Lanugage

SEE = Signing Exact English

CASE = Conceptually Accurate Signed English

If you are signing in English, you are speaking (sic signing) English, not ASL.
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Thanks Jillio, I thought you told me I speak PSE?
 
Nathan said:
Thanks Jillio, I thought you told me I speak PSE?
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PSE is not ASL. It is ASL in mostly English word order. It resembles English more than it resembles ASL in structure. PSE = Pigin Signed English. It is still English and not ASL.
 
jillio said:
PSE is not ASL. It is ASL in mostly English word order. It resembles English more than it resembles ASL in structure. PSE = Pigin Signed English. It is still English and not ASL.
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So technically I'm a PSE and a SEE user then?
 
Nathan said:
So technically I'm a PSE and a SEE user then?
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I would need to see you sign. If you are not adding word endings like -ing and -ed and -es/s to your signs, and using initialized signs, then you are probably not signing SEE. If you are using intialized signs, but not word endings, probably more of a PSE.
 
jillio said:
I would need to see you sign. If you are not adding word endings like -ing and -ed and -es/s to your signs, and using initialized signs, then you are probably not signing SEE. If you are using intialized signs, but not word endings, probably more of a PSE.
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You mean figure spelling the ending? Then no. That would make me PSE. What about ASL? Would I be qualified to be a ASL user also just because I sign to another deaf who use ASL? When I am with a deaf who understand lip-reading or a HI person just because I can speak english properly that makes me PSE? Thanks Jillio. I'm beginning to understand this.
 
Nathan said:
You mean figure spelling the ending? Then no. That would make me PSE. What about ASL? Would I be qualified to be a ASL user also just because I sign to another deaf who use ASL? When I am with a deaf who understand lip-reading or a HI person just because I can speak english properly that makes me PSE? Thanks Jillio. I'm beginning to understand this.
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Yes, there is a specific sign for the -ing ending, and the -ed or the -es/s endings are fingerspelled. No, speaking English properly doesn't have a lot to do with your signing structure. You are only signing ASL if you follow the grammatical rules and the structure specific to ASL.

And, YW.
 
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