Trayvon Case Investigation

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The whole situation is very tricky.

Hopefully some good will come out of this such as legislation regarding the rules and regulations of neighborhood watch groups. As some have addressed, this situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun, and had allowed the police to do their job.

I'm not saying he did or didn't have the right to carry a weapon as a citizen (IDK the law in
FL), but while he was acting in the capacity of "neighborhood watch"... It was a dangerous line to cross...
 
The whole situation is very tricky.

Hopefully some good will come out of this such as legislation regarding the rules and regulations of neighborhood watch groups. As some have addressed, this situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun, and had allowed the police to do their job.

I'm not saying he did or didn't have the right to carry a weapon as a citizen (IDK the law in
FL), but while he was acting in the capacity of "neighborhood watch"... It was a dangerous line to cross...

While I agree with you that this was a very tricky situation - Reba pointed out previously that he was not acting in the capacity of his role as neighborhodd watch when he made the 911 call.

He was on his way home when he spotted Trayvon "acting suspiciously" and was in his role as private citizen.

No one, at this point, no one publicly knows what prompted Zimmerman to call 911 other than he thought Trayvon was acting suspiciously. That is where the media made race a factor (which was speculation) and the uproar began.

Also, since no one publicly knows - more speculation has been made that Trayvon was not doing anything and was breaking no laws - but no one knows this and is speculation. This is where the media, again, made race a factor and accused Zimmerman of "profiling"

In the actual 911 call, Zimmerman said that Trayvon was "acting like he was on drugs".



I am sure this will come up during the trial.
 
The whole situation is very tricky.

Hopefully some good will come out of this such as legislation regarding the rules and regulations of neighborhood watch groups. As some have addressed, this situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun, and had allowed the police to do their job.

I'm not saying he did or didn't have the right to carry a weapon as a citizen (IDK the law in
FL), but while he was acting in the capacity of "neighborhood watch"... It was a dangerous line to cross...

For all we know he may have been acting in the capacity as a person who happened to live in that neighborhood and who happened to notice what appeared to be a suspicious person when he wasn't "working" like anybody else who might have seen the same thing. This high tech lynching isn't helping anything.
 
While I agree with you that this was a very tricky situation - Reba pointed out previously that he was not acting in the capacity of his role as neighborhodd watch when he made the 911 call.

He was on his way home when he spotted Trayvon "acting suspiciously" and was in his role as private citizen.

No one, at this point, no one publicly knows what prompted Zimmerman to call 911 other than he thought Trayvon was acting suspiciously. That is where the media made race a factor (which was speculation) and the uproar began.

Also, since no one publicly knows - more speculation has been made that Trayvon was not doing anything and was breaking no laws - but no one knows this and is speculation. This is where the media, again, made race a factor and accused Zimmerman of "profiling"
like police and EMT - their jobs don't end at the end of their shift. That applies for Zimmerman.

In the actual 911 call, Zimmerman said that Trayvon was "acting like he was on drugs".

I am sure this will come up during the trial.
exactly. so what was Zimmerman thinking when pursuing Trayvon? oh let me guess... he had a gun and he must have thought he can conveniently hide behind Stand Your Ground law.
 
Yes Reba, I understand that.

Steinhauer made a blanket statement that Zimmerman was innocent. Not that he was innocent until proven guilty.. That is in the same spirit as someone saying he is guilty, before the trial begins and facts are presented. That was my point.

exactly. let's take a look at this article below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/us/trayvon-martin-case-felt-at-nra-convention.html
ST. LOUIS — Inside the seven-acre showroom at the National Rifle Association’s annual convention here during the weekend, firearm enthusiasts filtered in and out of the sea of booths displaying handguns and the holsters designed to hide them.

Eager to explain the benefits of carrying a concealed weapon, hikers discussed how they feared bandits more than bears on the trail. Aging men rattled off hypothetical situations requiring self-defense; the details varied, but all involved some version of a younger, more muscular aggressor.

Yet with the gun lobby gathering just days after George Zimmerman was arrested in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teenager in Florida, there was a new potency to such contingencies as many gun owners wait for more evidence about the killing to emerge.

“People here are definitely thinking and talking about it,” said Terrence Mayfield, 61, who has a permit to carry a concealed firearm in Florida. “This whole thing rests on who threw the first punch. Either the gun saved Zimmerman’s life or we had a cowboy, someone who thought because he had a gun things could escalate.”

There are still questions about exactly what happened the night Mr. Martin died. The answers may determine whether Mr. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who told the police that he had pulled the trigger in self-defense, will be protected by Florida’s version of the Stand Your Ground laws that states across the country have enacted to grant broad rights to people who use deadly force to defend themselves.

A special prosecutor appointed to the case charged Mr. Zimmerman with second-degree murder last week.

Other than a Saturday speech that accused the news media of sensationalized reporting, N.R.A. officials have not commented on Mr. Martin’s death. But interviews with almost two dozen members over the weekend showed that some remain nervous about how the controversy might affect the future of Stand Your Ground statutes across the country, which have come under scrutiny since the shooting on Feb. 26.

“The danger is potentially reversing the laws that it’s taken us decades to get in place and the further erosion of my rights,” said Mr. Mayfield, an Air Force veteran who served in the Persian Gulf war of 1991. He offered a hypothetical confrontation to explain why he carries a gun: “I’m a 61-year-old fat guy with a bad back with a little bit of shrapnel in my leg. There’s no way in hell I’m going to be able to run away from a 20-year-old.”

Many of those interviewed expressed a willingness to give Mr. Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, accusing others of rushing to judgment before all the facts are revealed. At the same time, they were pleased to see that the shooting was being investigated.

“Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch guy trying to defend his neighbors,” said Marian Johnson, 69, from South Dakota. “I’m sure he didn’t set out to see what happened happen. I just hope they’re fair to both sides.”

Kent Hawkins, 55, who lives in Kentucky and has been a member of the N.R.A. on and off since he was 12, said: “I wasn’t there, so I can’t say. People are jumping to conclusions and shaping it into whatever they want it to be.”

But others have begun to distance themselves from Mr. Zimmerman, offering up the familiar slogan — “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” — to emphasize that one shooting should not overshadow the fact that millions of law-abiding gun owners in the United States have never had a violent altercation.

“I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who would promote vigilante justice,” said Preston Haglin, 60, from Missouri.

Greg Moats offered another assessment.

“If Zimmerman acted out of line, there are laws in place to deal with that,” said Mr. Moats, 59, from Kansas.

He added that he did not think the case should be a gun issue in the first place. “There’s nothing that the anti-gun groups wouldn’t do,” he said. “There’s no national disaster they wouldn’t exploit. They can manufacture fuel for whatever argument they want.”

Still, Martha Gagliardi, 62, said she worried that any new evidence against Mr. Zimmerman could provide additional arguments to gun control advocates.

A member of the gun lobby for three decades who lives in upstate New York, Ms. Gagliardi said her Second Amendment right to bear arms had become an extremely personal issue, requiring no theorizing about imaginary attackers, ever since she was robbed at gunpoint years ago in the driveway of her home in Queens.

“That’s when I moved,” she said. “That’s when I got my gun license. I never want to feel that helpless again.”

there's a huge difference in tone between people's stance in this thread and the people above.

I see that some people here strongly believe Zimmerman's action is justified and that no question should be asked since he's innocent until proven guilty and people out there like prosecutors and public are just screaming for blood.... whereas the people in the article sound very fair and neutral and they do want trial to determine his innocence.... which is fair for all.
 
like police and EMT - their jobs don't end at the end of their shift. That applies for Zimmerman.


The police and EMT are not private citizens when on duty - a Neighborhood watch captain is a private citizen both on and off "duty".

exactly. so what was Zimmerman thinking when pursuing Trayvon? oh let me guess... he had a gun and he must have thought he can conveniently hide behind Stand Your Ground law.

Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon?
 
Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon?

Nobody knows...except what's out of public view if there are any to indicate that GZ initiated physical confrontation. We probably will never know...then again...we'll have to wait and see.
 
Do you have evidence that disputed otherwise?

Zimmerman does not need evidence to dispute his own testimony. The State of Florida does if they wish to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

So, since you have pre-determined Zimmerman to be guilty, I assumed you had evidence that he initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon. It can't be what you **think** happened, that will not be used in court.

Evidence that nobody else has. Evidence that disputes eyewitness accounts of Trayvon repeatedly punching Zimmerman as he lay on his back.
 
Zimmerman does not need evidence to dispute his own testimony. The State of Florida does if they wish to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

So, since you have pre-determined Zimmerman to be guilty, I assumed you had evidence that he initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon. It can't be what you **think** happened, that will not be used in court.

Evidence that nobody else has. Evidence that disputes eyewitness accounts of Trayvon repeatedly punching Zimmerman as he lay on his back.

that's fascinating. but your first sentence is erroneous :lol:
 
Zimmerman does not need evidence to dispute his own testimony. The State of Florida does if they wish to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

So, since you have pre-determined Zimmerman to be guilty, I assumed you had evidence that he initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon. It can't be what you **think** happened, that will not be used in court.

Evidence that nobody else has. Evidence that disputes eyewitness accounts of Trayvon repeatedly punching Zimmerman as he lay on his back.

Hmmm....:hmm:
 
that's fascinating. but your first sentence is erroneous :lol:

It was in reply to your erroneous question - if "I" had evidence disputing the claim that GZ initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon.

"I" don't need the evidence and the court doesn't need that evidence (which is readily available and has been made public). They need evidence (but actually, proof) that GZ initiated the physical confrontation between himself and Trayvon in order to get a conviction.

According to the police report, GZ stated Trayvon had circled around the clubhouse and approached him as he was walking back to his car.

The time of the 911 calls, the time Trayvon called his gf, the location of the incident all indicate that GZ was telling the truth. The medical reports, injuries sustained to the back of his head and his broken nose as well as grass stains the officers witnessed on the back of his jacket all are indicators as well. The eyewitness that reported seeing Trayvon on top of GZ gives Zimmerman's account credibility.

And ... was the reason the initial prosecutor let him go.
 
like police and EMT - their jobs don't end at the end of their shift. That applies for Zimmerman.


exactly. so what was Zimmerman thinking when pursuing Trayvon? oh let me guess... he had a gun and he must have thought he can conveniently hide behind Stand Your Ground law.

Yeah, I am sure "stand your ground" entered his mind during the ordeal.
 
It was in reply to your erroneous question - if "I" had evidence disputing the claim that GZ initiated a physical confrontation with Trayvon.

"I" don't need the evidence and the court doesn't need that evidence (which is readily available and has been made public). They need evidence (but actually, proof) that GZ initiated the physical confrontation between himself and Trayvon in order to get a conviction.

According to the police report, GZ stated Trayvon had circled around the clubhouse and approached him as he was walking back to his car.

The time of the 911 calls, the time Trayvon called his gf, the location of the incident all indicate that GZ was telling the truth. The medical reports, injuries sustained to the back of his head and his broken nose as well as grass stains the officers witnessed on the back of his jacket all are indicators as well. The eyewitness that reported seeing Trayvon on top of GZ gives Zimmerman's account credibility.
in other word.... case closed? no question asked?

And ... was the reason the initial prosecutor let him go.
everybody makes mistake. I find it curious that you haven't made a peep in http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/100437-misguided-justice-stand-your-ground.html thread :hmm: but I'll give you a benefit of reasonable doubt that you perhaps didn't notice it :)
 
exactly. let's take a look at this article below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/us/trayvon-martin-case-felt-at-nra-convention.html


there's a huge difference in tone between people's stance in this thread and the people above.

I see that some people here strongly believe Zimmerman's action is justified and that no question should be asked since he's innocent until proven guilty and people out there like prosecutors and public are just screaming for blood.... whereas the people in the article sound very fair and neutral and they do want trial to determine his innocence.... which is fair for all.

Who here has said there should be no questions asked? I think all of us are ok with a trial....I know I am.
 
Yeah...he's plotting, scheming every minute of it while making mental notes about SYG. :lol:

yea I'm sure SYG entered Trayvon's mind too.
 
Affidavit: No racial slur in Zimmerman police call - Orlando Sentinel
In an affidavit laying out the second-degree-murder charge against George Zimmerman, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey became the latest to weigh in on a controversial segment of his call to police that some say contains a racial slur.

According to Corey's investigators, Zimmerman said "these [expletive] punks" under his breath during the call, in which he reported Trayvon Martin as suspicious on Feb. 26.


Minutes later, he shot the teenager dead during an apparent confrontation.

The third word, "punks," has been the subject of scrutiny. Some claim it is instead a racial epithet, which the Orlando Sentinel is not publishing.

Zimmerman's former attorneys, Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig, previously told CNN the word was "punks," as did Tom Owen, chair emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence.

However, other experts have said that the second word was "cold," or the racial slur. The audio segment drew added attention after the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil-rights probe into the case.

good! now I'm glad we can move on without this distraction.
 
Yeah...he's plotting, scheming every minute of it while making mental notes about SYG. :lol:

Probably for weeks. Just sitting around on the hunt.... "who can I shoot and claim I was standing my ground".
 
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