Trayvon Case Investigation

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Jiro said:
oh my! jumping to conclusion already? didn't you just tell me to be patient and wait for facts to see who was an aggressor?



What I said is that an armed citizen should never ever put himself in a potentially dangerous situation where somebody could get hurt or killed. Do you agree or not?
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Well, he didn't know that something bad was going to happen like I told you before. Anyway if he will take a witness stand, we can listen to his story to see if he makes it up or not. It's up to the jury to decide but we can decide for ourselves, right? Hopefully it will be captioned on TV. When it starts, will you make a new thread about this case because this thread is about the investigation which is over?
 
Foxrac said:
All jurors have own bias that we never know and none of jurors are perfect - look at OJ Simpson's case and Casey Anthony's case.
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Yes, jurors have personal biases. They are charged by the judge to set them aside in their deliberations. Sometimes they honestly do, sometimes they don't. The lawyers try to weed out the obviously biased ones during jury selection.
 
Reba said:
Yes, jurors have personal biases. They are charged by the judge to set them aside in their deliberations. Sometimes they honestly do, sometimes they don't. The lawyers try to weed out the obviously biased ones during jury selection.
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After OJ's verdict, the prosecuter, Marcia Clark was to blame for the poor jury selection, I heard.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Well, he didn't know that something bad was going to happen like I told you before.
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Anybody with common sense and carrying a concealed gun knows very well that a situation can get POTENTIALLY bad if you confront a person whom you believe is very suspicious. Why in the god's name would you ever put yourself in a possibly dangerous situation especially if you're not a cop?

You're avoiding my question. I asked you - "What I said is that an armed citizen should never ever put himself in a potentially dangerous situation where somebody could get hurt or killed. Do you agree or not?"

This is the same question that I've been asking for weeks and nobody has answered this question. You and I both know why.

CrazyPaul said:
Anyway if he will take a witness stand, we can listen to his story to see if he makes it up or not. It's up to the jury to decide but we can decide for ourselves, right? Hopefully it will be captioned on TV.
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lol! have you ever seen a defendant taking a stand especially in murder trial? (the exception is a psychopathic person who prides in his work)

CrazyPaul said:
When it starts, will you make a new thread about this case because this thread is about the investigation which is over?
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does it matter? no need to create many threads about same thing but you are free to make one.
 
Jiro said:
Anybody with common sense and carrying a concealed gun knows very well that a situation can get POTENTIALLY bad if you confront a person whom you believe is very suspicious. Why in the god's name would you ever put yourself in a possibly dangerous situation especially if you're not a cop?

You're avoiding my question. I asked you - "What I said is that an armed citizen should never ever put himself in a potentially dangerous situation where somebody could get hurt or killed. Do you agree or not?"
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You're presuming that Zimmerman felt that it was a dangerous situation. Perhaps he didn't.

This is the same question that I've been asking for weeks and nobody has answered this question. You and I both know why.
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See my answer above.
 
Reba said:
You're presuming that Zimmerman felt that it was a dangerous situation. Perhaps he didn't.


See my answer above.
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that doesn't really make any sense if Zimmerman didn't think it would be a dangerous situation otherwise why would he be calling 911? but no I don't need to presume what Zimmerman thought. I'm questioning Zimmerman's poor judgment and lack of common sense.

and you know very well that any armed citizen would never put himself in a POTENTIALLY dangerous situation.
 
Jiro said:
that doesn't really make any sense if Zimmerman didn't think it would be a dangerous situation otherwise why would he be calling 911? but no I don't need to presume what Zimmerman thought. I'm questioning Zimmerman's poor judgment and lack of common sense.
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He called 911 so that they could dispatch police to the area to check out a suspicious activity.

Did he say in his 911 call anything about being in fear for his life, or that it was a dangerous situation?

and you know very well that any armed citizen would never put himself in a POTENTIALLY dangerous situation.
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Like I said, he may have felt safe when he first started checking out the situation.

Neither of us know how he felt at that time. We have to wait for the trial to find out all the evidence and testimony.
 
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Reba said:
He called 911 so that they could dispatch police to the area to check out a suspicious activity.

Did he say in his 911 call anything about being in fear for his life, or that it was a dangerous situation?
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the point is - when you call 911... it's obviously a potentially dangerous situation.

Reba said:
Like I said, he may have felt safe when he first started checking out the situation.
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he should not be checking out the situation. that's a cop's job.

Reba said:
Neither of us know how he felt at that time. We have to wait for the trial to find out all the evidence and testimony.
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the evidence and testimony will not reveal what he felt at that time. the only person who knows is Zimmerman himself and he's certainly not going to put himself on stand.
 
Steinhauer said:
Thank God!
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I'm glad that you aren't serve as jury for Zimmerman's case.

Some of members don't understand about what I was saying, I just believe about George Zimmerman, based on current evidence. You don't know about my strategy with jury duty, same goes with Reba.

Steinhauer said:
:giggle:

I like Foxrac - but he is funny sometimes.
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You think so? :roll:
 
Jiro said:
Foxrac - sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... it's best if you recuse yourself and take a breather :)
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I think you should tell other members too - txgolfer and steinhauer.
 
Jiro said:
why? I would acquit Zimmerman if the evidence proved that Trayvon was an aggressor. I have no problem acquitting him.

But if there is no solid evidence that justified shooting and both sides have only presented their "reasonable doubt" evidence, I would convict Zimmerman because this entire whole thing was COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE if Zimmerman didn't leave his vehicle. He had a mindset of cop-wannabe because he was packing a heat. That deeply concerns me.
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In bold, yup, that what I was means and already explained to txgolfer in PM.

Now, there is little or no evidence about Trayvon Martin is aggressor, except for attack after confront.
 
Reba said:
Huh? None of the evidence has been presented yet. None of the testimony has been given yet.
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The evidence is already revealed in article that what I was reading and Sara posted a lot of articles. Speaking about testimony, I don't know until court start.
 
Reba said:
I have served on juries. Anyone with their mind made up before the trial starts is not allowed to serve. Jury members promise to make their decisions based on the evidence that is presented during the trial. Personal "reasons" are not allowed.
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In bold, I already know about that and jurors are make a decision that based on evidence.

Reba said:
Yes, jurors have personal biases. They are charged by the judge to set them aside in their deliberations. Sometimes they honestly do, sometimes they don't. The lawyers try to weed out the obviously biased ones during jury selection.
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Some jurors hide their bias so difficult to revealed during jury selection and no jurors are perfect.
 
Foxrac said:
I think you should tell other members too - txgolfer and steinhauer.
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yes but you were getting upset and started swearing around. both of you will just have to agree to disagree. you don't need to answer their questions because it will just lead to nowhere.
 
Jiro said:
yes but you were getting upset and started swearing around. both of you will just have to agree to disagree. you don't need to answer their questions because it will just lead to nowhere.
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Yup, I was so upset last night and went to bed after done with this argument.

You are correct about we need agree to disagree and answer the questions will result in endless debate.
 
Foxrac said:
In bold, yup, that what I was means and already explained to txgolfer in PM.

Now, there is little or no evidence about Trayvon Martin is aggressor, except for attack after confront.
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Yet "reasonable doubt" is the standard for criminal cases.
 
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