Trayvon Case Investigation

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whatdidyousay! said:
The cops told people that where doing the neighborhood watch not to bring a gun with them. If you are working with the police department the cops can tell you what to do.
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According to one statement by Zimmerman, he wasn't out on neighborhood watch at that time. He said that he was going to the grocery store when he spotted Martin.

Report: Zimmerman told police teen punched him before fatal shooting - CNN.com

Therefor, Zimmerman was not in the capacity of a neighborhood watchman but was a private citizen going about his personal business. There's nothing wrong with carrying a weapon when going shopping at night.
 
TXgolfer said:
I would hope not.....but you may be right. After all she did say...
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Let's not forget Wolfinger initially did not charge him - then Corey was appointed to the case after the public unrest, denied a grand jury indictment (because they would not have been very likely to indict).

:hmm:
 
Steinhauer said:
Let's not forget Wolfinger initially did not charge him - then Corey was appointed to the case after the public unrest, denied a grand jury indictment (because they would not have been very likely to indict).

:hmm:
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I believe that in Florida it's not required to convene a grand jury except in a charge of first degree murder.
 
Reba said:
Disagrees with what? The constitutional concept of "innocent until proven guilty?" I don't think so. Even the prosecutor has to follow the law.

The prosecutor believes that she has enough evidence to prove her case. However, the defendant is innocent until (and if) proven guilty. That doesn't change.

A prosecutor can't say, "He is guilty of murder in the second degree." The prosecutor can say, "We have the evidence to convict the defendant of murder in the second degree."
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The prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's "Stand Your Ground" defense. That's why she's charging him with 2nd-degree murder.
 
Steinhauer said:
I can see how you would take the approach that people other than you should "use" their backbone (rather than grow some balls) seeing as how you have already decided Zimmerman is guilty and a threat to society. You have pre determined his guilt before the trial. You are part of a Lynch mob.
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so that means the Florida prosecution team is part of lynch mob too?
 
Steinhauer said:
No - just you. you are not part of the prosecution team - sorry.
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no I'm not part of prosecution team but I'm rooting for prosecution team since we all share same belief that the shooting was not justified.
 
Jiro said:
no I'm not part of prosecution team but I'm rooting for prosecution team since we all share same belief that the shooting was not justified.
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More like a theory......
 
Tousi said:
More like a theory......
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call it whatever you want.

the fact still remains that prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's defense. that's why he's charged and brought to trial.
 
Jiro said:
call it whatever you want.

the fact still remains that prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's defense. that's why he's charged and brought to trial.
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Does the prosecution even know what the defense strategy will be? Usually they keep that close to the vest until trial.
 
Reba said:
Does the prosecution even know what the defense strategy will be? Usually they keep that close to the vest until trial.
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Zimmerman's defense = Trayvon struck him and the fight ensued. He screamed for help and somehow shot him.
 
Jiro said:
call it whatever you want.

the fact still remains that prosecutor disagrees with Zimmerman's defense. that's why he's charged and brought to trial.
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Nah, there's no way she (the prosecutor) will make a 2nd degree murder charge stick and she knows it. Second degree murder makes a very strong inference of INTENTION to kill...I think she made, in light of the fact the world is watching and is hoping Zimmerman will accept negligent death or manslaughter, etc. There's no way you can get 12 Floridians to deny someone the right to self defense. Even good, law abiding black people know this so if there are 12 black jurors, fine.

At any rate, at the end of this trial, there will be no "guilty in the second degree".
 
Tousi said:
Nah, there's no way she (the prosecutor) will make a 2nd degree murder charge stick and she knows it. Second degree murder makes a very strong inference of INTENTION to kill...I think she made, in light of the fact the world is watching and is hoping Zimmerman will accept negligent death or manslaughter, etc. There's no way you can get 12 Floridians to deny someone the right to self defense. Even good, law abiding black people know this so if there are 12 black jurors, fine.

At any rate, at the end of this trial, there will be no "guilty in the second degree".
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that's fine. the point still remains that he's going to be convicted and the shooting wasn't justified. Zimmerman knows it. He knew now he shouldn't be going out there and taking the matter to his own hands, acting like a cop.

jumping to conclusion already? Zimmerman doesn't have rock solid evidence that warrants shooting.
 
Foxrac said:
Both of you don't understand.

I already read numerous different news and Jiro's post.

Let me make clear.

George Zimmerman chose to ignore 911 dispatcher by following Trayvon Martin so Trayvon Martin became fear until George Zimmerman confronted Trayvon Martin, that leading Trayvon Martin to attack him as in self defense, eventually George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to dead.

If you don't understand so I'm not going respect your correction because it is already on news and they explains about what happen. Go read news whatever you want instead bait on me.
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That is called speculation.....not fact
 
Tousi said:
Nah, there's no way she (the prosecutor) will make a 2nd degree murder charge stick and she knows it. Second degree murder makes a very strong inference of INTENTION to kill...I think she made, in light of the fact the world is watching and is hoping Zimmerman will accept negligent death or manslaughter, etc. There's no way you can get 12 Floridians to deny someone the right to self defense. Even good, law abiding black people know this so if there are 12 black jurors, fine.

At any rate, at the end of this trial, there will be no "guilty in the second degree".
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You rock, Tousi!
 
oh btw Tousi - from my previous link...

Florida law describes murder in the second degree as an act that is “imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind” if it is an act or series of acts that:

a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.
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Reba said:
I don't think she was implying that the alibi defense would be used in the Zimmerman case. She was just using that as a general example of how unexpected things can pop up during a trial.
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I agree... I don't think she was either.
 
Jiro said:
that's fine. the point still remains that he's going to be convicted and the shooting wasn't justified. Zimmerman knows it. He knew now he shouldn't be going out there and taking the matter to his own hands, acting like a cop.

jumping to conclusion already? Zimmerman doesn't have rock solid evidence that warrants shooting.
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He's going to be convicted? You sure? Wanna wager?
 
Jiro said:
good. glad to know we got that cleared up that Corey didn't miss a day or two at law school :)
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Oh, she still made an incorrect statement..... I just don't believe she is expecting an alibi defense. :lol:
 
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