to believe or not to believe...

[VamPyroX]

My son told us few days ago that he don´t beleive that God is exist. He beleive Evolution.

I asked him why?

He explained that our blood could be SAME if we came from Eve and Adam time... He don´t understand why we have different blood groups... It could not be from Eve and Adam... but cavemen.... stone aged...

He also said that Jesus could be exist at that time and got his 12 apolostles to write the "bible" for him... The people worship him as "King of Iseral" but he don´t beleive that Jesus is son of God...

He also said... Why we have different reglious for...?

He has a good point...

What do you think?

Your son made a very good point. According to most religious fanatics, incest is wrong. What is incest? That is when you have sex with a relative. According to the Bible, we are all brothers and sisters under God's eyes. Also, according to the Bible... Adam and Eve were the first and only human beings created on Earth. We all came from Adam and Eve. You and I could be long lost cousins. You could probably be my 133rd cousin!

Anyway, here's something weird to look at. Adam and Eve had two sons at first... Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was banished from Eden. He escaped to the Land of Nod. Adam and Eve had more kids afterwards. So, how did they continue? Did Adam have sex with his daughters? Did Eve have sex with her sons? Did their sons and daughters have sex with each other? That obviously had to be the case... and that is incest.

 

[IslandGal]

Your son made a very good point. According to most religious fanatics, incest is wrong. What is incest? That is when you have sex with a relative. According to the Bible, we are all brothers and sisters under God's eyes. Also, according to the Bible... Adam and Eve were the first and only human beings created on Earth. We all came from Adam and Eve. You and I could be long lost cousins. You could probably be my 133rd cousin!

Anyway, here's something weird to look at. Adam and Eve had two sons at first... Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was banished from Eden. He escaped to the Land of Nod. Adam and Eve had more kids afterwards. So, how did they continue? Did Adam have sex with his daughters? Did Eve have sex with her sons? Did their sons and daughters have sex with each other? That obviously had to be the case... and that is incest.

I have always wondered about it too.

 

[chirowife03]

It looks that way

 

[Reba]

...According to most religious fanatics, incest is wrong.

Only "religious fanatics"? Do you mean secular people and non-fanatic religious people think that incest is OK?

...According to the Bible, we are all brothers and sisters under God's eyes.

No, the Bible does NOT say that. Only born-again Christian believers are the children of God, and they call each other "brothers" and "sisters" in Christ.

Also, according to the Bible... Adam and Eve were the first and only human beings created on Earth. We all came from Adam and Eve....

That's correct. Also, since the great Flood, we are all descendants from Noah's sons.

... Adam and Eve had two sons at first... Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was banished from Eden. He escaped to the Land of Nod. Adam and Eve had more kids afterwards. So, how did they continue? ...

The children of Adam and Eve married their siblings and their cousins.

That would be illegal in most countries today.

 

[Askjo]

Only born-again Christian believers are the children of God, and they call each other "brothers" and "sisters" in Christ. That's correct. Also, since the great Flood, we are all descendants from Noah's sons.QUOTE]
Agree!

 

[Rose Immortal]

I have a bit of a stupid question...does the Bible state that all humans are biological as well as spiritual descendents of Adam and Eve? It's very clear that Adam and Eve were the first living creatures to have reasoning souls awakened within them, so certainly they had to be the teachers of any other sentient beings that followed. But is the Bible explicit about the blood-ties? I'm not trying to attack anybody--I am seriously asking a question.

About this "children of God" matter, I'd like to make a distinction. I think God created ALL of us, believers or not, with impartial love. In that way all of us ARE children of God. The question is, do we accept our lineage and inheritance or not? If two human parents have a child, that child is biologically theirs always. But the spiritual relationship is something else.

 

[jazzy]

That's correct. Also, since the great Flood, we are all descendants from Noah's sons.


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There is no proof we are all descendants from Noah's sons. It does not say it flooded whole world at that time.

 

[Askjo]

There is no proof we are all descendants from Noah's sons.

There is no proof we are all descendents from the apes. :roll:

 

[Reba]

There is no proof we are all descendants from Noah's sons. It does not say it flooded whole world at that time.

Genesis 6:17-18
"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. 18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee."

Genesis 10:1-32
"1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. 13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born. 22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. 23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. 25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. 26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah, 27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah, 28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba, 29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood."

 

[Reba]

I have a bit of a stupid question...does the Bible state that all humans are biological as well as spiritual descendents of Adam and Eve?

Yep. That's where all the "begats" come in.

Genesis 5:1-32

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. 9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: 13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died. 15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died. 18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech: 26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. 30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

About this "children of God" matter, I'd like to make a distinction. I think God created ALL of us, believers or not, with impartial love.

The only people God "created" were Adam and Eve. Everyone else was "begat"--that is, born from the union of a man's sperm ("seed") and a woman's egg. Adam and Eve were created with no sin in them; every one else is born with a sin nature that was passed down in Adam's seed, and the seed of every other male since then.

When Adam and Eve sinned, the living spiritual connection between each of them and God was destroyed. The only way that connection is made alive again is thru the new birth; that is the spiritual new birth made possible thru the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God promised Adam and Eve a Savior that would make possible their rebirth. Adam and Eve believed God's promise and received that new birth. They became the children of God. However, as part of the curse of their sin (the consequences), the sin nature was passed down to each generation. Each individual of every generation is born with a spirit that is dead to God. As each person accepts the Savior, the spirit comes alive and re-connects with God, and becomes a child of God.

It is that love of God that makes it possible for a sinner to become a child of God.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Maybe "created" was a bad choice of words...I'm thinking I should've used "designed" instead. Although we are born of our parents biologically, doesn't God get some kind of say in which genes will be expressed and how the new child is?

 

[Reba]

Maybe "created" was a bad choice of words...I'm thinking I should've used "designed" instead. Although we are born of our parents biologically, doesn't God get some kind of say in which genes will be expressed and how the new child is?

I am not an "expert" on this, so the following is just my opinion.

I believe that God does influence the genetic mix of a child, but He uses the genes that are available between that couple. I will try to explain.

Suppose the dad has ABbb genes, and the mom has BBab genes (just a simplistic set up). Those are the genes that God has to work with. However, He can determine which combination of genes the child will get. The child could get ABbb, ABab, BBbb, BBab, etc.

 

[XBGMER]

I John 5:11-13
"11 And this is the record [certificate], that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

where heck you get infom that certificate from???? certificate is nowhere found in scripture... therefore, the record is not offically word term: "CERTIFICATE"! You misinterptered and confuse the people's mind already by your intelligant becuase you know everything of bible s your own answer.. God refuse to provide you every single of meaning from scripture... God is not interested in intelligant people, he knew intellgant people would love to deceiving the worldwide confuse scripture by your own doctrine than scripture's doctrine itself.... don't miseducate them by your own misinterptation!! you better read in Deuteronomy 30:19 then you can find the another verse has match with this.. you have to seek somewhere the word term "record" is meaning a what in scriputre itself. come back here to post what you find the word through verse has match another verse.. will you? I would appericate it... thanks!

Your son made a very good point. According to most religious fanatics, incest is wrong. What is incest? That is when you have sex with a relative. According to the Bible, we are all brothers and sisters under God's eyes. Also, according to the Bible... Adam and Eve were the first and only human beings created on Earth. We all came from Adam and Eve. You and I could be long lost cousins. You could probably be my 133rd cousin!

Anyway, here's something weird to look at. Adam and Eve had two sons at first... Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and was banished from Eden. He escaped to the Land of Nod. Adam and Eve had more kids afterwards. So, how did they continue? Did Adam have sex with his daughters? Did Eve have sex with her sons? Did their sons and daughters have sex with each other? That obviously had to be the case... and that is incest.

Yes I agree with your post.. in any fact, Abraham and sarah were brother and sister eachothers because they both had same father but their different mothers. they were offically incest themselves. look at their son born to them. childern of Esau and childern of Ishmael had same father but their different mothers, both had brother name jacob. they were raped their brother jacob's childen, they acts like incested them.. that what I read scripture again and again..

Only "religious fanatics"? Do you mean secular people and non-fanatic religious people think that incest is OK?



No, the Bible does NOT say that. Only born-again Christian believers are the children of God, and they call each other "brothers" and "sisters" in Christ.



That's correct. Also, since the great Flood, we are all descendants from Noah's sons.



The children of Adam and Eve married their siblings and their cousins.

That would be illegal in most countries today.

No, how's not true.. there is still actual facts in Mexico, in South america, in Thiland, in Hong kong, in italy, they are still pratice incest themselves own. even their own childen born to them by themselves own blood of same genetics.. !!no BS*ing!! Did God forbid them to do incest themselves own blood and genetics?? No!, you know nothing about or try to denying the facts! then tell me why jewish people did practice incested themselves to reproduct pure generations, God ordered it and forbidden them marry outside of their race... God wanted them marry their own relatives like cousins on and on... please don't turn me flame you with this.... thanks!

There is no proof we are all descendants from Noah's sons. It does not say it flooded whole world at that time.

I totally agree with your beautiful post's comment!! because there is no way for me how can my lineage trace back to africa's lineage.. why should i claim world that africa is my brother?? my answer is no, there in africa has thousand tribes... i have no tribe but I have tribe is here which the slave nation is my tribe!! they are not belong to my own genetics.. they were not slave like me and my fore-fathers who work hard, suffered by their beat to death and their blood sweat on me for 500 years or more.. Now their talking like bsing and wanted to put blind on my eyes for who i am, where i came from, and what i am doing here.. But i acknoweldge me for who i am and where i came from and what i am doing here around. I knew my answered already... they can't take away my ideninty from me.. therefore, there is no way for us can trace back lineage of Noah since we are lost the lineage of noah for long time ago like thousands thousands thousand years ago!!!!! the christian people said so they are the lineage from Noah that what is their benfit, then WHY NOT YOU MOVE OUT OF USA AND BACK TO ISREAL WHERE YOU BELONG TO... Next time, don't bring garbage "new" testment here around.. thanks!


my own believing personal alike quote: DEUTERONOMY 32:39!!!

 

[Reba]

where heck you get infom that certificate from???? certificate is nowhere found in scripture... therefore, the record is not offically word term: "CERTIFICATE"!

Notice that I use brackets [] to show that I have inserted a word for clarification; I show clearly that it is not part of the original Bible text. I am not trying to confuse anyone.

...you lied! ....

What part of that was a "lie"? I said, "That would be illegal in most countries today," referring to incest. How is that a lie?

 

[VamPyroX]

Only "religious fanatics"? Do you mean secular people and non-fanatic religious people think that incest is OK?



No, the Bible does NOT say that. Only born-again Christian believers are the children of God, and they call each other "brothers" and "sisters" in Christ.



That's correct. Also, since the great Flood, we are all descendants from Noah's sons.



The children of Adam and Eve married their siblings and their cousins.

That would be illegal in most countries today.

Are you saying that if we are not Christians, God doesn't love us?

 

[Reba]

Are you saying that if we are not Christians, God doesn't love us?

That is NOT what I am saying!

God loves EVERYONE! He loves every one so much that He sacrificed His own Son Jesus for each and every person.

God never rejects people. God has open arms and accepts every one.

People reject God. People refuse to accept God's offer.

 

[Dennis S.]

There is no proof we are all descendants from Noah's sons. It does not say it flooded whole world at that time.

Reba posts Genesis as proof

Yeah, that works -- the bible is proof that we all descended from Noah, and also proof that the whole world was flooded. On top of that, the bible says that everything inside is true, 'cause it says God said so.

Which is just as truthful as saying it's full of crap. So, what other proof do you have, INDEPENDENT of the bible?

 

[Reba]

... So, what other proof do you have, INDEPENDENT of the bible?

There is much geological proof, which I can give you links to, if you are sincere about learning.

 

[jazzy]

There is no proof we are all descendents from the apes. :roll:

I do not believe we came from apes nor I do not believe we all come from Noah's children. Those were words of mouth which carried to Moses thousand years later. Believe what u want, u can be Noah's children and I chose not to believe I came from one of Noah's children.

 

[jazzy]

There is much geological proof, which I can give you links to, if you are sincere about learning.

How old is earth?